Do you think producers who use loops are lazy?

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^^^Nothing wrong with taking time to perfect your craft. :cheers:

But, as you said, you probably could have royalty free legally own music ready to go. lol.
 
Right, you could be crankin out twee beats all day, without having to actually hone your skills!
Doesnt that sound awesome?

Then you can focus on selling the music more than actually knowing how to make it.
Gosh someday....

Shit sounds like the fukkin DubTurbo comercial ffs lol....
 
I think for the sake of a tutorial its no big deal. But I think if your a producer basing your whole piece on someone elses loops, thats unoriginal and I frown on that. At the same time i've used loops to enhance my loops. I guess sometimes its easy to find a loop that just fits great in a song and i cant ignore it.
 
i make my own thing never use use any drum loop or what ever never even try when you finish a song and made every thing even create and custom your own sound you more proud about it that my opinion
 
I've made plenty of songs without loops. Made songs with live drums and guitar, made songs with famous samples in them(one notes or loops)made songs with underground samples in them, made songs with just a guitar lick cut out of a loop to add realism, made song where a whole loop just set well so it was left uncompromised. I can play live drums, piano/keys far past a "decent" level, guitar well enough to get a few licks, and any bowed instrument impressively.

MY BEST STUFF IS NOT ON THE NET, yet I have tons of throwaway material up here. With that said, that's never an excuse to use when someone says your stuff sux, if you put it out there, it's an example of your work. Just surprised everyone is so against loops with no music whatsoever or CASIO KEYBOARD SOUNDING SHYT making it seem like anyone doing anything else has to be all about money. I do music because I love it, I support all methods of expression thru it while the rest of you who pretend you're in it for love rip apart anything that doesn't fall in with you methods, cool if you had proof your methods were superior, but that's where you choose to conveniently come up short, lol.

I guarantee I can outcompose from scratch just about anyone in here talkin that nonsense. That's the point. Alot of you suck so bad you just want justification in sucking, lol. Great musicians who do everything from scratch are too busy making great music to analyze everyone else's methods. I guess Skrillex sux because he uses samples to enhance his otherwise fully composed tracks. If he took out that "Call 911!" sample the song would lose all character, yet in your opinions, that would make him a "better musician"? For what? Doing less and making a less memorable piece of work? Lol.

You know if you record your own guitarist or singer freelancing and cut it up, you're doing no different than using a royalty free loop, right? But your ego's get stroked, right. Those same ego's that convince you everyones morals are so tainted for using LOOPS that were PACKAGED FOR MUSICIANS TO USE? Lol @ "future producers".
 
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Yeah people that don't care about production won't mind or even notice, but if you are trying to get respect from fellow producers and you use mainly other peoples loops then i dont think they will take you too seriously. Especially if the loops are from a common database and are recognizable.
 
Yea I agree that using a plain old loop and not manipulating it in any way isn't skilled IMO>
But what about if you manually chopped up a guitar loop and then played it back your self at a different tempo. just using the notes from the loop you like best and making your own melody from it?

It's hard to recognize the sample then I find? What do you guys think?
 
TDOT said:
Yea I agree that using a plain old loop and not manipulating it in any way isn't skilled IMO>
But what about if you manually chopped up a guitar loop and then played it back your self at a different tempo. just using the notes from the loop you like best and making your own melody from it?

It's hard to recognize the sample then I find? What do you guys think?
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That's an interesting idea. My main problem with loops isn't the production thing its the writing thing. If you use a loop (made by someone else) then chop it into its elements it use it like an instrument, then it depends on what you do with it really. If you make your own melody with it then I doubt anyone can complain.
 
@TDOT Who cares what they think?

But, you didn't make those elements you used, so you cheated, apparently. For you to say one way of using a sample is acceptable and another way isn't is showing your elitist traits.

I've never used any loop without at least pitching or rearranging simply because that would make it too easy to pinpoint. I use loops for the realistic sound, not the melody, but that takes no more talent than leaving it as is, or leaving it out your music so you can brag about how you don't use loops in your cheap casio sounding beats, lol.

To say, "I use loops, but I chop mine" is B.S., you either in or out. Chopping a loop takes all of 2 seconds to anyone WITH TALENT. When you hear the loop you already know how you're going to pitch or cut it, you don't have to do much. It's not "talent" that makes you manipultae the loop, it's the need to cover your tracks and not leave it recognizable. If you're doing that to be able to get a pass from other producers, you're lame.

Like, really, how much talent does it take to play a drum from scratch? So if you use drums in software instead of real ones, you're not talented. If you use a sampler instead of mic'ing a real grand piano, you have less talent, lol. U gotta beleive that to believe this crap.

As many sets as I've played, if I'm sitting in my homestudio and want realistic drums, I'm using a loop. Why? Because I don't want live drums in my music enough to rely on some 100gb library dedicated to LIVE DRUMS and I don't have a drumset in the house(well, there's one in my sons room, but not in my studio). How am I displaying less talent by having an ear that recognized something is needed and compensating? I guess it would be better for me to use crappy drums that don't match and be able to say I made it from scratch...or that my music isn't ready yet, lol.
 
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+1 for deranged... you guys are thinking too much, whats the difference between a "loop" and sampling 1-4 bars of a song and looping it.... nothing, go make music
 
I use loops like this and like that, all types of ways, sometimes I chop them, sometimes I don't, it is what it is, I'm not hear to talk about what's good and what's not, was more so just asking people who hate on sampling if they have a problem with that too. Couldn't read your full message though, too high for that right now lol

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@TDOT Who cares what they think?

But, you didn't make those elements you used, so you cheated, apparently. For you to say one way of using a sample is acceptable and another way isn't is showing your elitist traits.

I've never used any loop without at least pitching or rearranging simply because that would make it too easy to pinpoint. I use loops for the realistic sound, not the melody, but that takes no more talent than leaving it as is, or leaving it out your music so you can brag about how you don't use loops in your cheap casio sounding beats, lol.

To say, "I use loops, but I chop mine" is B.S., you either in or out. Chopping a loop takes all of 2 seconds to anyone WITH TALENT. When you hear the loop you already know how you're going to pitch or cut it, you don't have to do much. It's not "talent" that makes you manipultae the loop, it's the need to cover your tracks and not leave it recognizable. If you're doing that to be able to get a pass from other producers, you're lame.

Like, really, how much talent does it take to play a drum from scratch? So if you use drums in software instead of real ones, you're not talented. If you use a sampler instead of mic'ing a real grand piano, you have less talent, lol. U gotta beleive that to believe this crap.

As many sets as I've played, if I'm sitting in my homestudio and want realistic drums, I'm using a loop. Why? Because I don't want live drums in my music enough to rely on some 100gb library dedicated to LIVE DRUMS and I don't have a drumset in the house(well, there's one in my sons room, but not in my studio). How am I displaying less talent by having an ear that recognized something is needed and compensating? I guess it would be better for me to use crappy drums that don't match and be able to say I made it from scratch...or that my music isn't ready yet, lol.
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You're right, there is no difference in sampling and looping, what you're looping at the end of the day is a "SAMPLE".

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+1 for deranged... you guys are thinking too much, whats the difference between a "loop" and sampling 1-4 bars of a song and looping it.... nothing, go make music
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^^^I wasn't speaking directly to you, the only part of that meant for you was "who cares what they think" the rest was just me rambling off what others have said throughout the thread.
 
^^^^^^^^
I hear you and agree with with what you said though for sure. I have the mind set as you in terms of making music.
 
I don´t care how a producer makes a song/production as long as it sounds good. Armin Van Buuren uses loops. Absolutely not a lazy guy.
 
Producers who use loops are not lazy, if anything.. they are smart in doing that. When I first started I was all about making everything from the scratch.. and I mean EVERYTHING. But as I started to work more inside the industry and started working with people in the studio it all just made sense to use loops. It saves time because you already have something that sounds similar to what your looking for.. so why create everything from the beginning? just tweak and work around that loop. By the way when i talk about loops.. I'm talking about a percussion loop, drumline loop ..etc.. not a loop that has a melody in it. If you are a beginner you should try to analyze for yourself to see if what your doing seems right to you. Hope my two cent helped you get a better picture as well as others! :)
 
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Part of being a producer is having an ear for what works. A producer is not alway a "beatmaker." Thousands of classic hip hop songs were made with drum loops from songs from other genres. Do you discount those as well? I dont see the difference. A talented drummer made the loops on the loop packs and a talented drummer made the classic drum breaks. This applies to the melodic loops as well. Is there a such thing as overuse? Sure, but to say that all of us who use loops are simply doing so because we are lazy is a flawed observation.

Its up to the beatmaker/producer to use them creatively. Do whatever inspires your creativity. Drum programming is not my strength, melody is. Because of this, I sometimes use drum loops. I dont see how that cancels out the fact that I put the track together in my mind and found what i needed to execute. There is a difference between using a loops as a crutch and using one (or a thousand) as a creative tool. Some of you overlook that fact.
 
^^^ Agree with that, I'm in the same boat, I'm good at melodies on the piano and sampler but drum programming isn't my specialty. So sometimes I'll use a drum loop as my drums, still hade to find something suitable, time strech it. and sometimes I'll even layer different drum loops together to get something pretty cool. Don't think that's being lazy though at all.
 
odinnshred said:
The problem I stated throughout the thread is that people who make tutorials using loops are encouraging a cop out approach. If you can use a loop, why can't you make a loop (or the elements it brings to the track/mix) yourself?
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Because i dont have the drum kit the beatles used to record all their hits in Abbey Road. I dont have the intricate knowledge that someone who's been drumming for 35 years has when I'm only 24. You cant emulate everything. If i want a Stevie Wonder keyboard part and I dont know anyone who can play that well AND has access to that specific tone I'll sample from a loop pack. If the whole track is the loop, YES i am lazy. If i programmed/played the 60 other instruments on the track, I am resourceful.

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Id compare it to a collage. You take a thousand pictures, cut em up and put em on paper in a way that expresses what YOU want it to express. You have created an original piece of art using smaller pieces. You are an ARTIST. People who use loops this way are A-OK in my book!
 
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The problem I stated throughout the thread is that people who make tutorials using loops are encouraging a cop out approach. If you can use a loop, why can't you make a loop (or the elements it brings to the track/mix) yourself?




Why can't we recreate the loop??? Because we never thought of the melody to begin with. When you find samples it's not as if you have a beat in your head and you find samples to make that beat. You find samples, melodies that sound good to you...you can't recreate something you have no conscious of...............

When Dr.Dre made Next Episode, do you think he had that melody in his head....obviously not or he would have had someone just recreate his vision, he obviously found the sample first and built his song around that "LOOP".

The reason we don't just make loops from scratch is because we don't know what we're looking for until we've found it. and like dude above said, some sounds you just can't recreate.
 
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