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odinnshred
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A lot of the posts in this thread try comparing production to other things (in silly ways obviously), saying that using loops is the same this as using a cake mix.
Do you really think people would praise and respect Heston Blumenthal if he used cake mixes? If he didn't select all of the ingredients and make all the elements himself? Of course this is me comparing the two, which is stupid. I'm just saying that as far as 'getting the job done' goes, a cake mix (loops) will be fine. But I honestly can't appreciate people claiming they created something without saying "this is by me! (and all the talented people who made the loops for me)".
It's like those adverts where a guy's 'making dinner' for his date then uses a ready meal. Then the girl's like "Oh, wow, you're amazing" when really he's just a lying douche.
Do you really think people would praise and respect Heston Blumenthal if he used cake mixes? If he didn't select all of the ingredients and make all the elements himself? Of course this is me comparing the two, which is stupid. I'm just saying that as far as 'getting the job done' goes, a cake mix (loops) will be fine. But I honestly can't appreciate people claiming they created something without saying "this is by me! (and all the talented people who made the loops for me)".
It's like those adverts where a guy's 'making dinner' for his date then uses a ready meal. Then the girl's like "Oh, wow, you're amazing" when really he's just a lying douche.
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OcasioMusic
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As long as the loops are royalty free who cares and besides...where does your kicks, snares and claps come from anyways? Lol
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odinnshred
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I record mine, "Lol". Even if I didn't, I'd still arrange them and give them the proper processing treatment, not let another producer do it for me. It wouldn't be my arrangement of sounds if I used someone else's arrangement of sounds.
Kid Lightyear
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I feel there is nothing wrong with using music to enhance one's music so long as the music isn't loop driven. Loops can get old very quickly if they're the primary focus in a song.
Platinumstatz
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When it gets hard to make beats and i cant think of anything fresh, i like using loops. It gives me a platform to build around.
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FLM
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Loops are good to show people how to arrange sounds and structures,...............but after a while.......yeah u gotta chop it up and create something new for your own ears...........and the sake of others.
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^^^Right, because music consumers/fans heard that loop from Usher's "love in the Club" and knew it was an apple loop? Every Mac comes with Garageband, most users never open that shyt for more than 5 minutes. Only musicians caught that while Polow made his $$$$.
#Bitterswag
#Bitterswag
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rhythmpalace
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I say no. But If they always use loops and never try to make there own drum pattern or melody. Then yes they are lazy.
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odinnshred
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I'm not bitter towards people who make money, I'd rather make good music (my OWN music) than good money. Obv I'd love to have like 100 trillion in the bank to play with, but I'd like to think I won't become so disillusioned as my career goes on that I decide to prostitute my talents and integrity for a quick buck.
#moneysnottheonlywaytobehappy
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Cam Citi
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lol same here... I need to start looking at stock sounds more, but loops are no different than someone sampling an old record, someone else Made it, You flipped it into something new... its all artistry
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fo11
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depends upon how you use it
If you just join loops and throw your drums on them, then its def being lazy
but if you chop ,screw it and give a new feel, its being creative
If you just join loops and throw your drums on them, then its def being lazy
but if you chop ,screw it and give a new feel, its being creative
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You must've missed the memo. I'm the bitter one, not you.
Funny how everyone thinks money makes people sell out. Polow been using loops since Jim Crow, money didn't make him change up. If anything it gave him the ability to buy beats off upcomers who don't use loops and hire keyboardists to help.
Also funny how people keep posting like guys are "pretending they made music with loops", anytime I've made anything and explain it to friends I say things like "here's where my boy Shay comes in with the guitar' or "that sample clean, here's the original". Hell, in this thread alone I've posted and explained a bongo roll smothered in original production was a loop, I coulda lied and said I made the whole thing. That wouldn't really be a lie since I double timed the loop and dropped a few hits out. I guess that's what you do when you're not trying to pose like you did it all yourself, and not dumbe enough to do it all yourself ending with novice B.S. that sounds like it came from a $99 casio.
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odinnshred
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I've already replied to you about this before: "Not all producers are condemned to making "generic keyboardy sounding shyt" without using loops. Some producers are good, and surely its best to encourage an increase in skill and creativity rather than purchasing stuff other people have done. There are forums out there to help producers improve their skills. There's this one I particularly like called futureproducers.com."
So yeah. If you use $99 casio keyboard presets, or if you haven't practiced enough at sound design, then your music will sound weak. If you put the effort in and work hard (adding all the bits and pieces that would be there if you used loops), then why shouldn't your music be as 'good' as the people at the top of the game?
MacJuice
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Depends. If I feel I could replicate the loop or make it better by recording my own sample I would. But sometimes you find that one loop that just fits, tweek it up and make it your own, voila. No shame in that as long as you do SOMETHING to it. I also feel like you should always try and make your own sounds/loops because they are more organic from the start and not processed. On the other hand, grabbing a loop thats been Gated/Compressed and processed already is lame! MAKE IT YOUR OWN!
61Key
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I used loops like 2 or 3 times b4.. some big fish audio shit.. I was really feelin the beat, but it was in my head that i cheated.. i felt kinda bad and didnt even want to put the beats out there like that, because It seemed so cheap, like i could make a hot beat without using that loop so why did i do it? **** loops, unless i take a drum loop and chop it in the slicer, on occasion, but no melody loops, don't do it LOL
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and i mean , when i used loops..
one time i used a 4 bar piano loop and did some shit to it that made it sound differnet, but i still knew in my head that it wassent mine.. and one time i used a 4 bar bass line loop.. i started thinking, WHY?? a bass line lol i could play that shit so f'n easy.. other examples, i used a nosfuratu piano loop and just looped it and looped it, people were tellin me i was sick on the keys.. thats when i was like..... uumm LOL
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and i mean , when i used loops..
one time i used a 4 bar piano loop and did some shit to it that made it sound differnet, but i still knew in my head that it wassent mine.. and one time i used a 4 bar bass line loop.. i started thinking, WHY?? a bass line lol i could play that shit so f'n easy.. other examples, i used a nosfuratu piano loop and just looped it and looped it, people were tellin me i was sick on the keys.. thats when i was like..... uumm LOL
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People at the top of the game use loops as well as other musicians(keyboardists, guitarists, ect), full symphonies, arps, samples, drum programmers, entire beats made by someone else that they rearrange. Where's your music links? Just curious to how your stuff sounds.
Because obviously, the difference between guys in this discussion and guys at the top of their game is they don't have too much pride to outsource if needed for a professionalized sound.
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MacJuice
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I partially agree with you but what if you're not skilled enough to play what you hear? In this case, I'd grab the Nosfuratu Piano loop and tweek it to your own liking (EQ, Comp, Verb, etc.). Truth is, you'll probably never be able to play as well as the original pianist but at least you can use that persons skill in your own interpretation. But I couldn't agree with you more on the bass loops. I could give my music-illiterate grandmother a keyboard controller and she'd come up with a bass line good enough for an electronic-music song LOL
61Key
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ifeel where everybody is coming from, because i have kinda mixed feelings about it.. im not against loops, some loopers make it big lol its carzy, who knows i might find a loop sometime and just have to use it, like fvck it.. I still have all the old big fish construction kits from back in the day, every now in then i scroll thru them in the fruity browser and pull orch hits and and guitar licks, i sample from them more nowdays then back in the days i would just be lazy with it.. the easy way out is not the route I want to take, its all personal prefs..
Look at Polo, looking at us laughing like "Yall shoulda looped"
Look at Polo, looking at us laughing like "Yall shoulda looped"
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odinnshred
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I don't have links yet, I want to get my sound perfect before I put stuff out. I think my drums are pretty much already there, its just all the little incidental bits I'm working on. I probably could have stuff up now if I resorted to using loops, but its a matter of pride, as you said.