So everyone's Pu$$y Beggin' on wax now?

Man...Last Night is unoriginal? The dudes said the chick's pussy is so good it had them hallucinating about mother nature.

Shoot, I know ya'll had ish so good you convince her you'll cook breakfast, shave your prized goatee, take out the trash, and run for the Republican primary just to have one more go...knowing full well you ain't doin none of that come morning!
 
i got no problem with you disagreeing bro everyone is entitled to there opinion...and mine aint changin :cheers:

Never intended to change it. If I don't say something is a fact, I'm well aware most folk ON HERE won't think like me. Most folk ON HERE would give a lung to be me and since they haven't even got as far as I am, they won't understand half the stuff I do(not bragging, no offense intended to anyone, not saying you're any of the above).

I wish you all the success to one day be judged on a national scale like these guys are so you know what goes into these songs you think are so monotonous, and even if you don't get that far, I hope you all at least get far enough to understand that statement.

I'm the one taking the crazy pills. Why listen to a guy named "deRaNged". :rolleyes:

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So whoever isn't an aspiring musican, then i'm not talking about them.


Critiquing is fine...but just make sure to apply those same critiques to your own works...or at least HAVE WORKS TO CRITIQUE.

Okay...I've taken my crazy pill for the day already, so I may have missed the logic in this...

But why would you log into a forum called "future producers" if you weren't "aspiring to do music" or already doing it and here to help other who are "aspiring to do music"?

What other reason is there to be on here? I already know the answer to that, hope we all do. Spam. Troll. Hate at every thing discussed. Start E. Fights.....

If you not doing music why else would you be here?
 
That's the problem with FUTURE PRODUCERS. They're so busy critiquing everybody elses work, when they need to be putting that very same CRITIQUE into THEIR OWN WORK.

They can point out every little bitty thing wrong with everyone elses work, but they can't seem to be able to do the same with their own work.


That's backwards.



the validity of someone's criticism of another person's work cannot be undermined by the fact that they dont apply the same level of criticism to their own work; this has NO BEARING on the validity of the criticism of the other person.

this is an example of an ad hominem; youre making a statement about the person instead of a statement about their argument

youre actually validating people's criticism of others in a way because your validating their method of criticism by saying it would be useful if they applied it to their own work instead of other people's.

and you have no idea to what extent the 'futureproducers' you are talking about criticize their own work. so your ad hominem, which already fails by virtue of being an ad hominem, fails further because you lack any basis from which to make it.

while i understand your idea, it is not relevant to the discussion and its basis is questionable. considering that this is a 'rap/randb' forum, i think its safe to say that this is an appropriate forum in which to criticize popular artists.

as for the sex in music, i think as much as anything these dudes nowadays come across as bitchasses and punks when they address the topic. i dont know a better way to put it
 
Its plain and simple money,The game is being ran by dam masons yeah i said it masons the same cult that runs everything else.It's all bullshit it starts at home,school,and tv If we dont open our eyes and breed stong minded self-thinking children the game is dead you dont see all these artist wearing black, angels with horns in there videos (kanye west) folks trowing up the devil hand gestures.Woman are being treated like sex slaves in the industry you dont belive me type free mason on youtube and all will be made clear.100.....
 
The Masons tried to recruit me 4 times when I was in the Army (at different bases)...

I turned them down everytime... my friends joined though.
 
The Masons tried to recruit me 4 times when I was in the Army (at different bases)...

I turned them down everytime... my friends joined though.

I heared China had some pretty dedicated Masons back in the day...

They put in work!
 
Never intended to change it. If I don't say something is a fact, I'm well aware most folk ON HERE won't think like me. Most folk ON HERE would give a lung to be me and since they haven't even got as far as I am, they won't understand half the stuff I do(not bragging, no offense intended to anyone, not saying you're any of the above).

I wish you all the success to one day be judged on a national scale like these guys are so you know what goes into these songs you think are so monotonous, and even if you don't get that far, I hope you all at least get far enough to understand that statement.

I'm the one taking the crazy pills. Why listen to a guy named "deRaNged". :rolleyes:

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Okay...I've taken my crazy pill for the day already, so I may have missed the logic in this...

But why would you log into a forum called "future producers" if you weren't "aspiring to do music" or already doing it and here to help other who are "aspiring to do music"?

What other reason is there to be on here? I already know the answer to that, hope we all do. Spam. Troll. Hate at every thing discussed. Start E. Fights.....

If you not doing music why else would you be here?


:cheers::cheers: Good post. Why would I go on a cooking forum dissing martha stewarts italian dishes, when I cant cook and dont plan on cooking anytime soon, or better yet my italian dishes taste like as*?

Like someone said thats backwards. FOCUS ON YOUR OWN SHYT!!!! Progress in your craft, and improve in your craft..

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the validity of someone's criticism of another person's work cannot be undermined by the fact that they dont apply the same level of criticism to their own work; this has NO BEARING on the validity of the criticism of the other person.

this is an example of an ad hominem; youre making a statement about the person instead of a statement about their argument

youre actually validating people's criticism of others in a way because your validating their method of criticism by saying it would be useful if they applied it to their own work instead of other people's.

and you have no idea to what extent the 'futureproducers' you are talking about criticize their own work. so your ad hominem, which already fails by virtue of being an ad hominem, fails further because you lack any basis from which to make it.

while i understand your idea, it is not relevant to the discussion and its basis is questionable. considering that this is a 'rap/randb' forum, i think its safe to say that this is an appropriate forum in which to criticize popular artists.

as for the sex in music, i think as much as anything these dudes nowadays come across as bitchasses and punks when they address the topic. i dont know a better way to put it

I thought his ideas and opinions were vital to the discussion. The point isn't about the criticism of their own work having any bearing
on the validity of the criticism of others, but why criticise someone elses work when your still developing and trying to establish yourself as a producer who makes quality music?

It actually makes one question the basis of your criticism, no matter how valid you may think it is.
 
^^^There's exceptions to that. Say you're an experienced A&R. You may have never made a beat in your life, but landed hundreds of them on platinum albums.

I just don't understand why people with no type of music or credentials expect their opinions to be echoed without dispute on a forum full of musicians. Why are you here talking down on others work if you have no contribution of your own. For all we know you chime in to every Lil Wayne thread saying he sux because every time he goes to your town he calls your girl and she disappears for a couple days. You can be saying J. Troup sux just to get a response out of him to fulfill some void in your life. You can talk junk to Big Rome because he's legendary for responding and you get a kick out of his responses.

You should at least be able to compare someone's work to an artist you like. "That Sux" or "Dat Shyt's Wack" isn't enough for one to go on. lol.
 
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and you have no idea to what extent the 'futureproducers' you are talking about criticize their own work. so your ad hominem, which already fails by virtue of being an ad hominem, fails further because you lack any basis from which to make it.

i like this guy, he is cool in my book

in ancient Egypt, u had 12 yr olds as queens, while Mark Anthony was all in dat nooky. I believe that native American chiefs could marry kids at or under 12.:bigeyes:

In Swaziland, the king has the virgins parade topless so he can choose his next bride, but i think they are over 18...:bigeyes:So in a nutshell, what we see in a national level is merely a reflection of what the society's watchers are willing to allow

who are these watchers, some will say mason, others Illuminati and others white people, Zionist and/or Jews.:cool:

lets face it, we all get hard or wet, even the watchers, who are actually the law makers and whoever pays lawmaker (the guys that pay for campaigns)...so at the end of the day, what ever will make them money or at least is to their liking and/or don't have to even bother watching can be on TV (once in while u have concerned parents, by they tend to be bias and to polarized in their views).

HOW many millionaires outside of entertainment do u think watch cribs to get design cues or E.R. when they can just organize an orgy to fulfill their carnal needs. DAMN THIS IS LONG.

the upper class spend their time eating cheese, the lower class spends their time eating canned cheese in front of BET, but they all get hard at night and do the nasty.

On the flip though, everything has an influence on ppl, its just up to us as to what value we put on the perceived effect

EG. being desensitized to violence...When u get robbed, u may get traumatized, but if u r used to such things, u probably wont and instead will wonder how come u did not c that coming.

On the foul side though, there was an incident in some major park in da state, where young man forcibly removed cloths from women and girls, had cameras in their business and were throwing water at them...this is basically the happenings of many rap videos (i am not targeting rap)...

point is, the videos allowed for the imprinting of fantasies and shaping thereof (not to say that u wouldn't have fantasies without the vidz. In this example, it is important to note that mass psychology (basically ppl act like fools in crowds) probably primed the males to act like this.

Also, how many of u guys grab ur girls big booty and jiggle it like they do in porn and muzik vids...i know i do...and i like to think i am strong minded.

And what ever happend to personal responsibility, now a 3 yr old cant be responsible, they dont have the mental capacity...why do folks want da tv to raise their kids, why say that there is too much info, then not help ur kid break it down with sum1 that understands

The fact is, the same ish that happend 1500 yrs ago is happening now and will happpen again, its just that it will receive more daylight as more ppl make it known what they do behind closed doors
 
:cheers::cheers: Good post. Why would I go on a cooking forum dissing martha stewarts italian dishes, when I cant cook and dont plan on cooking anytime soon, or better yet my italian dishes taste like as*?

Like someone said thats backwards. FOCUS ON YOUR OWN SHYT!!!! Progress in your craft, and improve in your craft..

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I thought his ideas and opinions were vital to the discussion. The point isn't about the criticism of their own work having any bearing
on the validity of the criticism of others, but why criticise someone elses work when your still developing and trying to establish yourself as a producer who makes quality music?

It actually makes one question the basis of your criticism, no matter how valid you may think it is.

if youre a kid and you play ball and you watch the nba and you say "so and so can only hit threes off the pass" and your dad says "neither can you, and furthermore ive never seen you practice threes off the dribble" that has no bearing on whether or not your criticism of so and so is valid

if i play music as a hobby or as a hustle i can criticize because im a fan of the craft; im an aficionado. i can say 'i disagree with the chord jimi hendrix played right there' or i can say 'steve gadd lost the pocket coming out of the bridge' or 'lil waynes flow sounds off on this track.'

so if i think dj toomps track n.i.g.g.e.r. on untitled was really underwhelming because it had no switchups other than one little weak part should i be like 'wait i cant think that cause ive made worsely repetitive tracks' or 'wait he be gettin money off these beats i cant be thinkin that'?

you all just exhibit a terrible attitude regarding criticism of professionals. you all just say 'aw hes a hater hes hatin on em cause they seein money'

obviously we should have open minds and not snap to judgements and we should be open to revising our judgements

but its like poison on this board people's first response to criticism of anyone whos making money is "wait who's saying that? is he making money? how can he criticize," which is extra extra stupid cause some people on here are IT professionals etc. and theyre not even pursuing it like that

if some d league cat is saying 'lebrons midrange game is eh' then i understand the impulse to call him out. but even that d league dude as a student of the game is qualified to pass judgement

i just wish on here people would attack the message instead of getting all interested in he messenger, like the first dumb **** coming in calling him racist. not the one who said he sounds like hes white, that was bad enough, the dude who said flat out 'hes a racist'

cause people actually came thru and said 'hold up ray charles has a song about mixing red bull and pussy juice and little richard has one about eating ******* on an aircraft carrier'

and they basically won the argument by attacking the argument, not calling op a racist
 
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^^^There's exceptions to that. Say you're an experienced A&R. You may have never made a beat in your life, but landed hundreds of them on platinum albums.

I just don't understand why people with no type of music or credentials expect their opinions to be echoed without dispute on a forum full of musicians. Why are you here talking down on others work if you have no contribution of your own. For all we know you chime in to every Lil Wayne thread saying he sux because every time he goes to your town he calls your girl and she disappears for a couple days. You can be saying J. Troup sux just to get a response out of him to fulfill some void in your life. You can talk junk to Big Rome because he's legendary for responding and you get a kick out of his responses.

You should at least be able to compare someone's work to an artist you like. "That Sux" or "Dat Shyt's Wack" isn't enough for one to go on. lol.


:cheers:exactly...

I know I might be reaching but Ima take it a step further, if your a producer, I wanna hear your work and how its better in contrast to whoever your critiquing.:D
 
ohh

and on the side of music...beyonce is like over 21, she probably gets sum once a week, so she is entitle to sing about gettin some, so is trey and usher and so on

after all, the music is mature and is made 4 a mature audience, the same way porn is made 4 a matue audience

with that said, if u know that kids are listening, u may wanna cloak that ish in dope writing skills, unlike mylie cyruss who is half naked with 12 yr old fans, she is entitled to express her femininity and sexuality, but all these ppl should at least recognize the power that they wield

EVEN IF THEY DONT DO GOOD WITH IT. EVEN 2PAC SAID HE NEW HE WAS POWERFUL...LUCKILY HE WENT ON TO SAY HE KNOWS NOT HOW TO BE RESPONSIBLE 4 OTHER PPL

SO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND PUT ON A CONDOM, GET TESTED AND IF U R BOTH -ve 6 WEEK LATER, GET FREAKY TO SOME TREY COZ THATS PROBABLY HOW IT SHOULD BE...USE UR BRAINS AND COMMON SENSE PPL.

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Girls like nasty lyrics more than dudes...


... even in raps.

LIKE IF YOU RAP ABOUT FREEDOM, NOBODY likes your song
but do a track about cheating, b!tches will play it all night long
like my ex used to bump Xzibit
And her favourite line was, "I be catching b!tches, while b!tches be catching feelings"
Yet she dont want me tricking around
She idolize the lifestyle but dont want non of it going down

- Blu from Just Another Day
 
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:cheers:exactly...

I know I might be reaching but Ima take it a step further, if your a producer, I wanna hear your work and how its better in contrast to whoever your critiquing.:D

i dont wanna hear anything about the nfl or nba til you win a ring and go to the pro bowl/ all star game

does that makes sense?!? i know its futureproducers but its not a trade magazine. half the people in here at least are hobbyists. beat making is not a viable (or dependable at least) career option i hope most people in here are hobbyists
 
if youre a kid and you play ball and you watch the nba and you say "so and so can only hit threes off the pass" and your dad says "neither can you, and furthermore ive never seen you practice threes off the dribble" that has no bearing on whether or not your criticism of so and so is valid

if i play music as a hobby or as a hustle i can criticize because im a fan of the craft; im an aficionado. i can say 'i disagree with the chord jimi hendrix played right there' or i can say 'steve gadd lost the pocket coming out of the bridge' or 'lil waynes flow sounds off on this track.'

so if i think dj toomps track n.i.g.g.e.r. on untitled was really underwhelming because it had no switchups other than one little weak part should i be like 'wait i cant think that cause ive made worsely repetitive tracks' or 'wait he be gettin money off these beats i cant be thinkin that'?

you all just exhibit a terrible attitude regarding criticism of professionals. you all just say 'aw hes a hater hes hatin on em cause they seein money'

obviously we should have open minds and not snap to judgements and we should be open to revising our judgements

but its like poison on this board people's first response to criticism of anyone whos making money is "wait who's saying that? is he making money? how can he criticize," which is extra extra stupid cause some people on here are IT professionals etc. and theyre not even pursuing it like that

if some d league cat is saying 'lebrons midrange game is eh' then i understand the impulse to call him out. but even that d league dude as a student of the game is qualified to pass judgement

i just wish on here people would attack the message instead of getting all interested in he messenger, like the first dumb **** coming in calling him racist. not the one who said he sounds like hes white, that was bad enough, the dude who said flat out 'hes a racist'

cause people actually came thru and said 'hold up ray charles has a song about mixing red bull and pussy juice and little richard has one about eating ******* on an aircraft carrier'

and they basically won the argument by attacking the argument, not calling op a racist

Im not dis agreeing with you in anyway. We all have a right to an opinion and free speech.

And IMO MUSICIANS need to focus more on improving in their craft, rather than starting threads on how explicit, and vulgar trey's songs
are. I can point a million things I feel like are wrong with this artist or that, but if Im not where I need to be my opinion really doesn't mean shyt.

Then I also have a problem when people make music an excuse for social problems in the world as if the state and survival of humanity all lies on depleting the airwaves of hip hop and rnb. Im tired of people trashing the music Ive loved all my life....Go talk shyt about heavy metal or lady gagas meat dress, leave trey alone...lol

Then Im also sick of how people say what these entertainers are doing for their communities as if they hang with them all day. Deranged made a good point about people being influenced by music and I think its sad that grown people can take music for anything other than entertainment. And I know for a fact that alot of these dudes that get shytted on are using money from the songs you hate to help the communities were living in.

Just my thoughts not disagreeing with you at all:cheers:

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i dont wanna hear anything about the nfl or nba til you win a ring and go to the pro bowl/ all star game

does that makes sense?!? i know its futureproducers but its not a trade magazine. half the people in here at least are hobbyists. beat making is not a viable (or dependable at least) career option i hope most people in here are hobbyists


I got 2 rings bout to get a third this year....GO LAKERS!!!!:D
 
Im not dis agreeing with you in anyway. We all have a right to an opinion and free speech.

And IMO MUSICIANS need to focus more on improving in their craft, rather than starting threads on how explicit, and vulgar trey's songs
are. I can point a million things I feel like are wrong with this artist or that, but if Im not where I need to be my opinion really doesn't mean shyt.

Then I also have a problem when people make music an excuse for social problems in the world as if the state and survival of humanity all lies on depleting the airwaves of hip hop and rnb. Im tired of people trashing the music Ive loved all my life....Go talk shyt about heavy metal or lady gagas meat dress, leave trey alone...lol

Then Im also sick of how people say what these entertainers are doing for their communities as if they hang with them all day. Deranged made a good point about people being influenced by music and I think its sad that grown people can take music for anything other than entertainment. And I know for a fact that alot of these dudes that get shytted on are using money from the songs you hate to help the communities were living in.

Just my thoughts not disagreeing with you at all:cheers:

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I got 2 rings bout to get a third this year....GO LAKERS!!!!:D
Great Post
 
the validity of someone's criticism of another person's work cannot be undermined by the fact that they dont apply the same level of criticism to their own work; this has NO BEARING on the validity of the criticism of the other person.

this is an example of an ad hominem; youre making a statement about the person instead of a statement about their argument

youre actually validating people's criticism of others in a way because your validating their method of criticism by saying it would be useful if they applied it to their own work instead of other people's.

and you have no idea to what extent the 'futureproducers' you are talking about criticize their own work. so your ad hominem, which already fails by virtue of being an ad hominem, fails further because you lack any basis from which to make it.

while i understand your idea, it is not relevant to the discussion and its basis is questionable. considering that this is a 'rap/randb' forum, i think its safe to say that this is an appropriate forum in which to criticize popular artists.

as for the sex in music, i think as much as anything these dudes nowadays come across as bitchasses and punks when they address the topic. i dont know a better way to put it

Truest and most logical statement on here. Attacking the person and not the argument. So what if the person doesn't make music or doesn't want to produce in the "future". That persons opinion is as valid as anyone elses.

And btw i do make music. not for money. not to aspire to be a producer but I do it for the love. Cause I love music and want to participate in a community that do the same things. To have a dialogue about music. After all this is a forum about R&B and Hip-Hop. :banghead:

Now what I wont do ( what most people on here do:rofl: ) is post in incomplete track thats not mastered and isn't completely finished.And worry why no one likes your sh*t. Its cause its incomplete and it needs work. I'm working on getting better for myself and for the community of friends that i have around me that also make music, so that we can all enjoy each other's music.

So until I get everthing i need to put out the work I demand of myself I will not post a single song or make a soundclick, or myspace with incomplete music. ;) Works of art take time to create.
 
^^^Folk manipulate angles until they support their view.

I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about NFL or NBA if you don't have a ring. I'm saying some FPers sound like ya girl does when she comes in in the middle of the game and says "I hope Michael Vick's Team loses, he's on the Jets, right? I hate that guy, he hurt dogs, he's a horrible football player". Now why would your girl who thinks like that log in to ESPN's forum? Why would anyone there take her opinion seriously? Are they not supposed to call her out and say "why don't you STFU, you know nothing of sports until you prove otherwise"? That's MY POINT.

I've never heard a mix by Moses, but since he establishes that he knows alot about engineering from his posts, I'd never challenge his knowhow. But alot of folk offer opinions without giving any intel into why their opinion should matter. So why should it? At least show that you're interested in the sport you comment on, not just the player while he's off the field.

And you can be a musician, or aspiring musician all out of love without wanting to be paid to be one.
 
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