Prince vs. Rick James - Who's Better

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biggrome said:
To me it seems like Rick was a more in the moment type of artist
where as it would take Prince a long time to create what he creates.

Rick is off the cuff. Prince needs probably weeks to months to get his ish together. Put them in a studio for a day and see who would come out with the tightest song... I'd put my money on Rick.

All of the musical chord stuff aside... Rick's music had more feeling to it. You can't learn feeling.

Don't know what makes you think this, but it's just not true. Prince is/was/always will be (hopefully) creating music at all times. Hell, he did the Batman soundtrack in 6 weeks!!! You have any idea how many layers of EVERYTHING are on that album?

As for singing: I'm not willing to concede that Rick was a better singer. My reasons? Adore, Damn U, Insatiable, When 2 R in Love (in the live shows, he hit a note so high and held it so long that u wouldn't believe!)


As for anyone who really believes Prince is not funky? One word: HEAD. Another: Automatic. And an acronym: DMSR. GTFOH!!!

I know there's some similac babies in here, so you don't know, but this is an old, old argument and it was resolved YEARS ago. Prince and Rick had an onstage battle. They did concerts together and Prince *SMASHED* Rick every time. And Rick was on his A-game with Street Songs!!!!

Do I need to say what my vote is?

k.
(one of those 28+ "Old People" :))
 
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not to knock Rick James(he was a genius), but Prince is the winner HANDS DOWN! just on his virsitility alone! Prince changes his style so much and did SO many classic joints! i grew up in a house that was dominated by Prince's music. I knew all the lyrics to 1999 and Contoversy albums by the time i was 6, no joke. imo, Prince had more depth as an artist than James. both make wonder music, but my vote is for Prince.
 
This is from Rick James' book... Memoirs of a Super Freak...

Yet people want to run around and say Prince wasn't influenced by Rick James. Fp... don't believe these nuccaz. They believe most of what they type without any basis. This is an old argument. I had no idea, lol.

Now I present.... Rick James Bytch! lol



In the book, “The Confessions Of A Rick James: Memoirs Of A Super Freak” Rick James has a revealing anecdote about Prince. When preparing to tour after the release of his album Fire It Up, Rick James started to think about getting an opening act.







“There was a record burning up the airwaves called ‘I Wanna Be Your Lover’ by some cat named Prince. He played guitar, and everyone was telling me how a tour with me and him would be great. I bought his album and really enjoyed it, especially ‘Sexy Dancer.’ I thought the kid was pretty funky. So I asked for the company to send me a video on him. I received the video and as I watched him I thought he reminded me a bit of myself, except that he didn’t move as much. I asked Prince to open up the Fire It Up tour…the only thing I had heard about him was that he was shy. I had hoped he wasn’t too shy, or he had no right being on the road with me, that’s for sure.”

On meeting Prince, Rick James mentions, “When I walked in through the backstage entrance, Prince was sitting on his group’s drums playing some bull**** beat. I sat down on our set where he could see me and began playing some serious ****. He looked over at me and just got his little ass up and walked away.”

On finally seeing him play Rick James reveals, “The first time I saw Prince and his band I felt sorry for him. Here’s this little dude wearing hi-heels, playing this New Wave Rock And Roll, not moving or anything on stage, just standing there wearing this trench coat.







Then at the end of his set he’d take off his trench coat and he’d be wearing little girl’s bloomers. I just died. The guys in the audience just booed this poor thing to death..”







As the tour went on, Rick James noticed something about Prince’s behavior, “Whenever I was on stage I’d see Prince on the side of the stage just staring and watching everything I did, like a kid in school. I’d walk over to him during a song and point my bass right in his face, grab my crotch, give him the finger and keep jammin’. He was remembering everything I did, like a computer.”

Detailing his stage repertoire Rick James reveals, “I used to do these tricks with the microphone - - flip it, catch it backwards, you name it. It was a trademark of mine. I also used to do a lot of crowd chants. I’d have my hand on my ear while I called these funk chants to the audience. This was another trademark.”

“I used to do these tricks with the microphone - - flip it, catch it backwards, you name it. It was a trademark of mine. I also used to do a lot of crowd chants. I’d have my hand on my ear while I called these funk chants to the audience. This was another trademark.” — Rick James

One night during the tour, Rick James had a surprise waiting for him, “One day I walked into the auditorium, getting ready to go on, and I heard the crowd chanting loudly. I went to check it out. Here’s Prince doing my chants. Not only that he was stalking the stage just like me, doing the funk sign, flipping the microphone and everything. The boy had stolen my whole show. I was pissed, and so was my band. This went on night after night, every show I’d see more of my own routine. It got to the point I couldn’t do the stuff I had always done cuz Prince was doing it before I came on. It started to look like I was copying him.”

Something needed to get done. Rick James explains, “Everyone knew what was happening: his management, my management. One day things almost blew up. I was pissed, my band was pissed, and something had to be done. So my management and Prince’s management got together, along with Prince and his band and me and my band to have it out once and for all.“

So what happened? Well, “First, I met with Prince’s manager and told him that if Prince did any more of my show he was off the tour. Even his own manager agreed that Prince was stealing my show. Finally, we all met in Prince’s room: Prince, me and my bands. My band, looking like six foot five Black Maasai Warriors with their braids and leather, sat at one end, while Prince’s band, in their eyelashes and make-up, sat at the other. Prince’s band was afraid, very afraid. Levi and the boys were ready to give an ass-whipping. Prince sat on a bed and hardly said a word. He acted like a little ***** while his band and mine patched up their differences. After that confrontation, things went back to normal - - me kicking his ass every night.”

Whatever you think of Prince—the rock star, he was cognizant of his own inferior stage presentation and recognized that improvements needed to be made. He looked around and saw a fellow musician/performer doing a tremendous job while on the road. He made the appropriate adjustments and the rest is history.
 
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Memoirs from Rick's point of view: "me kicking his ass every night..." are absolutely no basis for a valid argument. That's him trying to sell books. I have no doubt that Prince picked up a thing or two from Rick, but I think the microphone thing was James Brown's. I would not wonder that a NINETEEN year old would soak up all he could from an influential artist, maybe to the point of being annoying, but it really was about anything you can do, I can do better. When you write about it years later, you can make up anything and anyone who didn't know the real would have a 50/50 chance of believing it. Believe me, this was the kind of thing we followed VERY closely and got reports on how Prince put the pimp hand down on Rick night after night, city after city. Rick probably won a battle or two in places where he had a MUCH greater fan base, but overall, it was all about Prince. Rick was hating on the young buck (although he was in high heels and speedos:)) challenging what he felt to be his status at the top of the RnB world. He was a hater back then too. Like Prince had no right to challenge him. This was no ordinary tour. It was advertised as a BATTLE!! If Prince wasn't the real shiz back then, why would Rick let *his* show get hijacked by a newbie? He really believed that he was not to be ****** with! Unfortunately, he got jacked. Nobody ever said Rick was bulls**t, or gave him less love (after all, he invented the ghetto anthem, love songs and all!) but everybody knew who did the damn thang. Now that I think about it, it was only the "old people" who ever even TRIED to say Rick got wit Prince.
 
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If somebody comes out before you after they've stole your act... who are the people going to say is the best. Like when Snoop came with the term CRIP HOP... he got credit for it but Jayo Felony started it. Snoop beat him to the spotlight.

On another note... a woman that went to one of those concerts they did together said the Prince turned it out and people would walk out on Rick James because it looked like he was doing what Prince did.

I do believe the chant thing though, so that make me believe all of it. I've heard Rick do that chant thing a lot.

Personally, I enjoyed Rick's music more. I'm a soul man moreso than a rocker... and a dude in panties is about as scary as that Chocolate Rain dude to me.

I liked most all of Prince's stuff up to Diamonds and Pearls... then he went left field.
 
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Rick could have been mad about his swagger gettin jacked, but why would you go out and still do all the same stuff? Especially when you could not do it better? Bad move on his part.

Getting into it with a bunch of Masai warriors would have been a stupid move for a skinny nigga in heels and panties! LOL

Always did and always will love Rick, but Prince just got him hands down.

Most people say he went left with "Around the World in a Day" but for me, that's when his music got even more interesting to me. There's some stuff on that album and the b-sides that as producers, we all ought to be paying attention to. And I think that applies for every album of his after that. He is a helluva producer. Somebody once told me that as a producer, you should be able to listen to a song that you actually HATE and pick up something from it. I don't think that Prince has any songs I really hate (although I don't love all of them equally) and for that matter, neither did Rick (except maybe "Loosey's Rap") but I'm always open to learn what I can wherever I can...
 
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Ahhh Rick I love ya but I'm sure his memory of events is a bit clouded... lol I think Rick also mentioned that after his show he would go out and bowl a perfect game to wind down, finish up his cure for cancer and work on the hydrogen bomb, score 40 in an NBA game, go 4 for 5 with 3 home runs and 7 RBI in an MLB game, build a home for a homeless family and cook a gourmet meal at one of his restaurants... and this was just on a Thursday night, you shoulda seen Friday!... Cocaine is a hell of drug.
 
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im rolling wit prince, but i think rick james has a hugr influence on hip hop,, one of odb's albums was rick james'd out from the album cover to makin a rap version of cold blooded. i think prince would win in a game of basketball and then make rick james and his band pancakes biitchhes, lol
 
SmokinAces said:
You can't deny Prince's big ass handprint on the current music coming out. Rick James wasn't back in the public eye til Dave Chappelle. Rick is ill but not better than Prince by a long shot. Plus, like Black said, I grew up on Prince.

i agree
 
JuggernautBlack said:
Prince and Rick James are also on some totally different ish.. Stevie could hang tough wit ANYBODY
Was gonna say the same thing. Rick James was a multi-instrumentalist also. Both of them had a lot in common, both were masters at pimpin imagery. They were both rebels & funky as hell. Both were good producers also. Rick got caught up with drugs, that's what did him in.

SmokinAces said:
Blasphemy! Fire and Desire better than Purple Rain! No f*cking way! When Doves Cry smashes Super Freak. BTW, what are five other songs Rick James did. And no cheating.
Standing On The Top /w The Temptations, Bustin' Out, Happy w Teena Marie (they should have did a duet album) You & I, Cold Blooded, Hard To Get, Ghetto Life, 17, Loosey's Rap, Give It To Me, Dance With Me. That's off the head.

SmokinAces said:
You definitely win on that one! LOL Prince had badder chicks though!
can Be debated, Rick had some broads!!!

ianscott111 said:
SmokinAces - we definitely agree on Prince being THE greatest artist ever. He's been my main musical influence ever since I was 4 (and I turn 24 in 2 days). Rick James might have a more soulful voice, but Prince has got an incredible voice too (and a MUCH larger vocal range).

biggrome - if we talking about how much a record is played, compare the record sales of Prince to Rick James. Purple Rain is one of the biggest selling albums ever...
So is Street Songs, The only reason it is not acknowledged is Motown did not do an accurate job of reporting sales. This was before soundscan. Motown was an independent company than & did not spend money on reporting sales. (this was also done to throw the artists off. They never knew how much they were actually selling of a record).

lee miran said:
Prince is a more "all around" musician in my eyes. Not only the guitar playing and performing, but he also is an established writer, who wrote songs that turned out to be hits for others, including the Bangles, Sheila E., Sheena Easton, and Sinead O' Conner. He also produced other artists.
Rick James productions:
Deja Vu-Teena Marie
All Night Long, In My House- Mary Jane Girls
Ganja, Ladies Choice- Stone City Band
Party All The Time-Eddie Murphy

Sparrow said:
If you know anything about music and how it is composed, produced, and written you wouldn't even have to ask.

Prince

He is a rare talent, maybe as rare as you will ever see in your lifetime in any of the popular non classical music genres.


He has written more than 20 number 1 songs for other artists. He has produced with platinum producers, he can play and compose on every single instrument you can name (Rick James can't touch him as a mucisian) and certainly not as a guitarist if you've ever heard Prince play solo live ( I have) and it is Hendrix level.

Yeah Rick James is funklier and more entertaining in some ways and can probably sing better. Prince is more of an artist and a mucisian.

so when you use subjective terms like "better". It helps to use context to qualify.

better what?

mucisian, entertainer, producer, artist, singer?

The only place Rick beats Prince is in singing, and entertainment in a comedic sense not in a performance sense.


Prince could retire from being an artist and be a top 50 studio engineer/producer tomorrow.

Yeah, Rick is a beast and he made funkier stuff, but he didn't make "better" stuff.

Not if you look at the whole package: composition, mixing, writing, marketing, artistic and album concepts etc.

Then add that he has mastered and has done whole albums where he played every instrument from strings to horns to keys to drums, and well...........................


its not really close
Rick was hands on also, they are what & what. prince just put out more music.
 
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This is from Rick James' book... Memoirs of a Super Freak...

I didn't want people that come in on the tail end of the thread to miss what Rick said...



In the book, “The Confessions Of A Rick James: Memoirs Of A Super Freak” Rick James has a revealing anecdote about Prince. When preparing to tour after the release of his album Fire It Up, Rick James started to think about getting an opening act.







“There was a record burning up the airwaves called ‘I Wanna Be Your Lover’ by some cat named Prince. He played guitar, and everyone was telling me how a tour with me and him would be great. I bought his album and really enjoyed it, especially ‘Sexy Dancer.’ I thought the kid was pretty funky. So I asked for the company to send me a video on him. I received the video and as I watched him I thought he reminded me a bit of myself, except that he didn’t move as much. I asked Prince to open up the Fire It Up tour…the only thing I had heard about him was that he was shy. I had hoped he wasn’t too shy, or he had no right being on the road with me, that’s for sure.”

On meeting Prince, Rick James mentions, “When I walked in through the backstage entrance, Prince was sitting on his group’s drums playing some bull**** beat. I sat down on our set where he could see me and began playing some serious ****. He looked over at me and just got his little ass up and walked away.”

On finally seeing him play Rick James reveals, “The first time I saw Prince and his band I felt sorry for him. Here’s this little dude wearing hi-heels, playing this New Wave Rock And Roll, not moving or anything on stage, just standing there wearing this trench coat.







Then at the end of his set he’d take off his trench coat and he’d be wearing little girl’s bloomers. I just died. The guys in the audience just booed this poor thing to death..”







As the tour went on, Rick James noticed something about Prince’s behavior, “Whenever I was on stage I’d see Prince on the side of the stage just staring and watching everything I did, like a kid in school. I’d walk over to him during a song and point my bass right in his face, grab my crotch, give him the finger and keep jammin’. He was remembering everything I did, like a computer.”

Detailing his stage repertoire Rick James reveals, “I used to do these tricks with the microphone - - flip it, catch it backwards, you name it. It was a trademark of mine. I also used to do a lot of crowd chants. I’d have my hand on my ear while I called these funk chants to the audience. This was another trademark.”

“I used to do these tricks with the microphone - - flip it, catch it backwards, you name it. It was a trademark of mine. I also used to do a lot of crowd chants. I’d have my hand on my ear while I called these funk chants to the audience. This was another trademark.” — Rick James

One night during the tour, Rick James had a surprise waiting for him, “One day I walked into the auditorium, getting ready to go on, and I heard the crowd chanting loudly. I went to check it out. Here’s Prince doing my chants. Not only that he was stalking the stage just like me, doing the funk sign, flipping the microphone and everything. The boy had stolen my whole show. I was pissed, and so was my band. This went on night after night, every show I’d see more of my own routine. It got to the point I couldn’t do the stuff I had always done cuz Prince was doing it before I came on. It started to look like I was copying him.”

Something needed to get done. Rick James explains, “Everyone knew what was happening: his management, my management. One day things almost blew up. I was pissed, my band was pissed, and something had to be done. So my management and Prince’s management got together, along with Prince and his band and me and my band to have it out once and for all.“

So what happened? Well, “First, I met with Prince’s manager and told him that if Prince did any more of my show he was off the tour. Even his own manager agreed that Prince was stealing my show. Finally, we all met in Prince’s room: Prince, me and my bands. My band, looking like six foot five Black Maasai Warriors with their braids and leather, sat at one end, while Prince’s band, in their eyelashes and make-up, sat at the other. Prince’s band was afraid, very afraid. Levi and the boys were ready to give an ass-whipping. Prince sat on a bed and hardly said a word. He acted like a little ***** while his band and mine patched up their differences. After that confrontation, things went back to normal - - me kicking his ass every night.”

Whatever you think of Prince—the rock star, he was cognizant of his own inferior stage presentation and recognized that improvements needed to be made. He looked around and saw a fellow musician/performer doing a tremendous job while on the road. He made the appropriate adjustments and the rest is history.
 
Sparrow said:
If you know anything about music and how it is composed, produced, and written you wouldn't even have to ask.

Prince

He is a rare talent, maybe as rare as you will ever see in your lifetime in any of the popular non classical music genres.


He has written more than 20 number 1 songs for other artists. He has produced with platinum producers, he can play and compose on every single instrument you can name (Rick James can't touch him as a mucisian) and certainly not as a guitarist if you've ever heard Prince play solo live ( I have) and it is Hendrix level.

Yeah Rick James is funklier and more entertaining in some ways and can probably sing better. Prince is more of an artist and a mucisian.

so when you use subjective terms like "better". It helps to use context to qualify.

better what?

mucisian, entertainer, producer, artist, singer?

The only place Rick beats Prince is in singing, and entertainment in a comedic sense not in a performance sense.


Prince could retire from being an artist and be a top 50 studio engineer/producer tomorrow.

Yeah, Rick is a beast and he made funkier stuff, but he didn't make "better" stuff.

Not if you look at the whole package: composition, mixing, writing, marketing, artistic and album concepts etc.

Then add that he has mastered and has done whole albums where he played every instrument from strings to horns to keys to drums, and well...........................


its not really close

To much truth. I mean Rick James was dope, but Prince is in that Genuis Tier along with Stevie, Mr.JB, etc.

Now that I think about it, I think a better comparison would be between Rick James and Sly Stone. Even though Sly pre-dated Rick by a couple of years, both had funky bands, had a few great hits, and but eventually couldn't beat their drug demons.
 
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I turned from Prince's SuperBowl performance that year he did it.

It just wasn't my cup of tea...
 
DirtyMatsuda said:
To much truth. I mean Rick James was dope, but Prince is in that Genuis Tier along with Stevie, Mr.James, etc.

Now that I think about it, I think a better comparison would be between Rick James and Sly Stone. Even though Sly pre-dated Rick by a couple of years, both had funky bands, had a few great hits, and but eventually couldn't beat their drug demons.
Sly is in his own category.
 
Prince has a huge influence on todays music while cats like Rick James and George Clinton have had an influence on music the last 20 years. Rick James had some insane arrangements in his music as well. Prince is a genius in his own right, but Rick James is, was, and forever will be an anomaly. That funk sound inspired a classic era in hip hop, the g-funk era. Rick James is the sh*t.

Rome how'd you leave out Mary Jane in your list of tracks?
 
SleepDeez said:
Prince has a huge influence on todays music while cats like Rick James and George Clinton have had an influence on music the last 20 years. Rick James had some insane arrangements in his music as well. Prince is a genius in his own right, but Rick James is, was, and forever will be an anomaly. That funk sound inspired a classic era in hip hop, the g-funk era. Rick James is the sh*t.

Rome how'd you leave out Mary Jane in your list of tracks?

I don't know man... I don't smoke, lol.

You're right about Rick and George Clinton though. There was something in their music that you couldn't put your finger on but it just had that extra "umphh". Prince's music has all of the precision and timing of a trained musician. Sort of like a Mary J. Blige (raw) vs. Celine Dion (trained).

... or like a backyard muscle car with aftermarket parts vs. a factory built high performance car.

Rick was just raw with his, that's probably why that funk you can feel came out... not manufactured - you're supposed to play it like this - funk.

Both were amazing. I didn't know this was a debate that people have all over the place. I just though of it one day while I was cutting grass...
 
LoL I dont smoke either but thats a classic for sure. Purple Rain is an incredible album as well. Plus all the work Rick James did with Teena Marie was great as well.
 
biggrome said:
I could never get into Prince's fast songs.
quote]</p>Thats funny because I could never get it into his ballads. I loved his fast songs, especially those done with The Time (ie) "777-9311" and "Get It Up". I love his mid tempo songs like "Gigolos Get Lonely Too" and "If I Was Your Girlfriend", but I could never get into the really slow ones. This is a good debate because they are very similar when you think about it.I really love Princes sound/style on select songs, but he has too many songs way out of left field that I don't care for.There are a only a few Rick James songs that I don't care for, and even those I can get into in the right moment.Adding in "The Mary Jane Girls" stuff to his own list of hits and I have to go with Rick James *****
 
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