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mwandishi
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Who dug this up? Rick was nice, but Prince is a musical genius, + his catalog is massive.
Nightshade
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Necro-thread w00t!
Prince without a moments hesitation.
His late Sony years when he was the symbol I don't even consider to be his music, but when he dropped Musicology he proved that he still had it in him.
Dirty Mind
Controversy
Purple Rain
1999
Sign O the Times
Around the World in a Day
Lovesexy
Musicology
Are all prime examples of him as an artist, the rest have a small bit of shine to them here and there but are overall throwaways.
Rick James aside from being infinitely sampleable and the flavor of the month is wholly forgettable and the average person may be able to name maybe 3 or 4 songs by him.
Prince without a moments hesitation.
His late Sony years when he was the symbol I don't even consider to be his music, but when he dropped Musicology he proved that he still had it in him.
Dirty Mind
Controversy
Purple Rain
1999
Sign O the Times
Around the World in a Day
Lovesexy
Musicology
Are all prime examples of him as an artist, the rest have a small bit of shine to them here and there but are overall throwaways.
Rick James aside from being infinitely sampleable and the flavor of the month is wholly forgettable and the average person may be able to name maybe 3 or 4 songs by him.
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Pumpthrust
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Wow, I was just thinking about this at work.
bandcoach
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prince - no competition as he plays most of the stuff himself as well as writes, arranges, engineers, mixes and masters these days
r̥kṣa
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Rick James *****!
KelevraOne
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Prince that nigga dunked on Charlie Murphy while he was rocking high heeled boots. Plus that nigga got that attitude like he about to **** a nigga up. He don't even seem to care that he's only like 5'2
King-Vis
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Prince is the greatest ever, individually! I say that as a fact, no one can deny! And he's not even my favorite, but you gotta give him the crown!
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benji2
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That's a tough one. I read Rick's Autobiography" Confessions of A Super Freak" and he talked about how when they both first started Prince had no stage presence and would watch Rick perform and then later incorporated some of Rick's moves into his show. He really hated Prince. He said Prince didnt really embrace Black culture. Rick started with a Rock Band then switched to soul down the line. I like em both. Rick's has the edge in soul. They're both multi-talented but I'd have to pick Rick based on his soulfoul funk, better songwriting and powerful voice. He's got to get some cool points too for Teena Marie one of the best female vocalists ever. Rick could give you uptempo and ballads. He was such an in demand producer, he produced Eddie Murphy's "Party all the Time" Motown even hired him to resuscitate the Temptations career. "Ebony Eyes" with Smokey Robinson was that shit.
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mwandishi
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Good points! But I have to disagree with a few things.
Prince basically created the Minnieapolis sound: the Time, Sheila E, Vanity, etc.
Rick had a different style of voice, but Prince could hold his on with his falsetto
As a song writer, you are dead wrong. You know how many hits Prince had from the late 70s to early 90s. Rick was hot for a period during the mid-80s, but fizzed out due to drugs.
Rick got like 3 classic slow songs, while Prince got a few CDs worth.
Finally, he was doing all the baddest chicks: Vanity, Sheila E, Kim Beashinger, Christie Alley,etc. (he even had them talking on his sex tracks).
You know Prince's work has been performed by symphony orchestras
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benji2
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I wont dispute anything you said except maybe the females. Rick's book details a life of constant women and coke(lol). Plus Prince was a feminine midget& there are a few tall women that dont like short dudes with mascara. Prince was mainstream so more people were aware of his talents but Rick was that dude:
In 1978, James released his debut solo album, Come Get It!, in which he played most of the instruments on the album (as he would for his next two albums afterwards before including members of his Stone City Band to back him in the studio). The album launched his solo career, thanks to the funky disco hit, "You and I", and the much smoother, soulful "Mary Jane". In early 1979, he released his second album, Bustin' Out of L Seven, which like his previous album, focused on producing a concept project. "L Seven" was named after a street on which James grew up in Buffalo. Referring to himself as "one of the baddest and best looking mother-****ers of all time," he followed this success with Fire It Up, and headlined his first tour in support of the album, which saw then rising former artist Prince opening for him. James' cordial relationship with Prince coined his catchprases "THE MILKS GONE BAD!" causing the tour to become strained after Prince, according to James, stole all the biscuits from his act to hype the audience. He got so fed up with this that he canceled the rest of the tour.
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After a setting fire to his fourth album, Garden of Love, in 1980, in which he traded most of his disco/funk origins for a more pop-R&B flavored project, he returned to the top with the grittier Street Songs, which was also the first to include rock and new wave elements, particularly in the album's leading single, "Super Freak", which became James' biggest pop hit, reaching number-sixteen on the Billboard Hot 100 and later winning him a Grammy Award nomination. Due to this single, the follow-up top 40 smash, "Give It to Me Baby", the Teena Marie duet "Fire and Desire", and "Ghetto Life", Street Songs peaked at number-one on the R&B album chart and number-three on the pop chart, going on to sell more than three million copies; this became James' biggest-selling album and made James famous. In 1982, just as the hype from Street Songs dropped, he released the gold-selling Throwin' Down album, and followed that up with another hit album, Cold Blooded (1983), which included the hit title track. James continued to score hits with Motown into 1985 but by the end of that year he had begun to have struggles with the label.
Following the release of The Flag in 1986, James left Motown and signed a lucrative deal with Warner Bros. Records, releasing the album, Wonderful, in 1988, which yielded the R&B hit, "Loosey's Rap". The video for the song was banned on MTV and BET for sexual content, which James labeled hypocritical. After the release of the UK-only 1989 album, Kickin', James' recording career slowed as he struggled with personal and legal problems. In 1997, a year following his release from prison for assault charges, James released his first new album in eight years, Urban Rapsody. Though James returned to live performances to promote the album, he stopped performing for a while after suffering a stroke following a show in Denver in 1998. Prior to the concert, James was interviewed on VH-1's Behind the Music, where he openly talked about his life and career and also mentioned his drug use, which he said was behind him.
During James' Motown heyday in the late seventies and early eighties, James found himself in demand and was asked to produce Teena Marie's long-awaited debut album. James originally had planned to produce a full album for Diana Ross but when Motown told him they only wanted four songs from James, he gave the songs up to Marie, including the duet, "I'm a Sucker for Your Love", for her debut album, Wild and Peaceful. The album launched not only Marie's career but a personal and professional relationship between James and Marie, which continued until James' death. In 1982, he was asked to produce a song for the Temptations' upcoming album, Reunion, after former members Eddie Kendricks and David Ruffin returned to the group for their ill-fated reunion. The song, "Standing on the Top", became a top ten R&B hit and James was credited in the song not only as a writer but as a duet singer, as well.
In 1983, he collaborated with longtime idol Smokey Robinson on their hit song, "Ebony Eyes", which became a top 30 hit on the R&B charts. That same year, he produced his longtime background vocal group the Mary Jane Girls, with their self-titled debut album, featuring the hits "All Night Long" and "Candy Man". The Mary Jane Girls originally consisted of Joanne "JoJo" McDuffie (lead/background vocals) and longtime session singers Julia Waters and Maxine Waters. The trio had long sung with James, who later included Kimberly "Maxi" Wuletich, Candice "Candi" Ghant and Cheryl Bailey (who used the stage name Cheri Wells) to join the group, though they didn't sing on the original records. After Wells left, she was replaced by Yvette "Corvette" Marine. In 1985, the group's second album, Only Four You included their biggest hit, "In My House: "JoJo" continued to sing lead and contributed to the backgrounds with the Water Sisters, as the other group members could not sing at all or were extremely limited vocally. Rick's band sang for the group with JoJo for concert tours. James also produced a couple of albums for his Stone City Band, releasing material by the group in 1980 and 1982 respectively. Also in 1985, James produced and wrote the Eddie Murphy hit "Party All the Time"; he also sang on the track. Following James' descent into drug abuse and his exit from Motown, the Stone City Band and the Mary Jane Girls both dissolved in 1987. Both groups reunited following James' release from prison in 1996.
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Thee3ternal
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1. I don't even know how this is a thread.
2. Dead at how this "thread" turned into Rick James fans grasping for straws.
3. How you gonna leave Carmen Electra off Prince's list of chicks?
2. Dead at how this "thread" turned into Rick James fans grasping for straws.
3. How you gonna leave Carmen Electra off Prince's list of chicks?
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benji2
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Thee3ternal
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I'm not really a fan of either, it's just pretty much a known thing that Prince was/is that dude.
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benji2
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I think they're both talented but it boils down to just one thing for me:
SOUL. Rick had way more of it and that's essential for Black folks. Most anyway.
SOUL. Rick had way more of it and that's essential for Black folks. Most anyway.
mwandishi
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Maybe its an age thing. Prince had plenty of soul. U know Larry Graham of Sly & the family (Drakes' uncle) played with him?
U know how many black women LOVE prince?
I don't think you have listened to a a lot of Prince
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Pumpthrust
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Has Rick ever done or played anything as epic as this?
BTW, Benji, copying and pasting wikipedia bios and many year old comments?
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benji2
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I have listened to enough of my parent's albums to be able to judge Prince as an artist.
Sign of the Times, Purple Rain and Around the world in a day were my favorites. Unless you listen to old school artists like Teddy Pendegrass, Gerald Levert and Luther(no last name needed) , you wouldnt appreciate Rick's talents. That's all. I like Prince but Rick was just more soulful. Yeah Prince had soul but he played a lot of material where he couldnt showcase it. Teena Marie had way more soul than Prince and she was white. The crazy thing is I respect Prince as a musician but he aint fuking with Rick when it comes to having that funky shyt that can turn up a house party or family gathering another notch. I've seen Rick's effect on older relatives.
Prince's "Rasperry Beret"
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Rick James "Give it to me Baby"
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Thee3ternal
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Bro last year in my psychology class we had got to talking about music one day.
I told the teacher (black woman, early 50's or so) for some reason I got the vibe she was a Prince fan.
LOL she got so animated and started talking about how she's a huge fan, her favorite artist, her and her husband traveled several places to see him perform.