KelevraOne
Not too Kelevra son
I gotta agree with Lilro on this one. Rap Genuis is a very successful idea
For the life of me....
We're having a conversation on our opinion on websites and strategies to make them successful. Either come off from behind the alias and contribute like a normal human being, or....
You're right. I shouldn't take personal shots. It's just strange to me, to criticize a business model, a successful business model, because you don't like it. Especially when you aren't providing an alternative.
That 15 mil is PROOF that people care about lyrics. How can you say people don't care about lyrics when that site has thousands of users?
Even on FP every now and then someone will try to post their own interpretation of lyrics. Almost every day there's a thread complaining about the current state of hip-hop not caring about lyrics. Just because those people aren't in the market YOU'RE targeting, doesn't mean they don't exist. This is why so many businesses fail. There are 7 billion people on this planet. SOMEONE will like what you're doing. Your job is to get that to them, and possibly make a profit doing it, if money is your motive. But for the artists that don't care about money, they STILL want to be HEARD. They want people to see what the hell they're talking about. And when you have super cryptic lyrics, with multi-syllable bars, with double and triple entendres, with metaphors and similes, and references to history, it turns people off. Why? Because they don't know what the hell you're talking about. Rapgenuis came through so people can know what the artist is really saying and what they mean.
The key to success is not your opinion on how things SHOULD work, but rather how they DO work, and using that knowledge to ALTER it to the way you believe it SHOULD work. Otherwise, you're the guy standing in front of the corporation with a picket sign yelling. Rather than the corporation across the street taking all the customers.
Life is a game. Play by the rules until you have the big bank. THEN you change the rules. It's the golden rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules.
But I still think RapGenius is NOT a $15 Million idea.
I never said people don't care about lyrics.
If 15 Million people cared about hip hop lyrics, Canibus would be the highest selling artists out there. But he's not. Why? Because way more people care about THE BEAT AND THE HOOK (2 Chainz, Birthday Song) than care about the actual lyrics.
Again...I'm not saying nobody cares about lyrics. Hell, I care about lyrics. But I don't think enough people care about lyrics to make a $15 Million investment in a site, devoted to HIP HOP LYRICS.
That's just it. Listeners don't really give a shit about the lyrics. What they do give a shit about is the artists LIVES. That's what they want to get into. Not the deeper meaning of a song.
SideLine critic shit. SMH
Yet, Troup Genius hasn't even got off the ground.
1.Genius in the name is a (Marketing 101) no-no.
But that is what people with egos do..................IndustrySound.none went nowhere.
"Everybody can tell you how to do it.... but they never done it". -JAY Z
Rapgenius gives a platform for people who like to read, understand and discuss lyrics, i think theres more of a fanbase for it than people give credit for. Especially for the audience it originally was intended for it was for nerds and geeks to translate the lyrics into every day speech and ballooned into something much bigger
i cant wait to see what its going to transform into within the next couple years
Funny thing though...the company that I work for
You just made my point. "THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR". They are established. -HELLO!lol...that's interesting.
WTF are you talking about TroupGenius isn't off the ground?? I'm funneling in new clients every month. I just signed one, and have a meeting with 2 others next week. You kidding me???
Funny thing though...the company that I work for, boldly markets themselves as GENIUSES, and uses the word freely all over the website, in marketing materials, etc.
And this company is almost worth $1 Billion dollars.
So much for that.
And IndustrySound.com did precisely what it was supposed to do. I'm VERY happy with the results I got from that. It was an experiment that succeeded beyond my expectations.
You just made my point. THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR. They are established.
)Marketing 101) teaches not to come out the gate with arrogant wording for companies not yet proven.
Established companies do it because they have a proven track record of success.
In the case you described, you are doing basically the same every other producer on a local level is doing.
Fueling new clients through recording and beat production.
Funny thing indeed. You're taking credit for your employer's business model with your three (3) clients? Sounds niche to me.
Wow dude. There you go with the personal shots again. Are you REALLY that mad that I think Rap Genius is not a $15 Million idea.
My point about my employer was that GENIUS in marketing works quite well, when used effectively.
I'm not taking credit for my employers business model in the least, are you kidding me? I'm a cog in the machine here.
But I am adopting some of what they do, and applying it to what I do. Because the 2 people that started this company are certified geniuses for the approach that they took to an already existing industry. And the results that they've been able to achieve for their clients is nothing short of astounding.
Funny thing...I actually sat down and spoke to the former CEO's and the current CEO about my ideas. They were actually REALLY interested, and thought I had a great idea.
But hey...I can show you better than I can tell you.
But feel free to continue with the personal shots. It's the equivalent of saying YO MAMA.
Proves that your argument doesn't have any legs left to stand on.
(Marketing 101) teaches ........not to come out the gate with 'arrogant wording' for companies, not yet proven.
Established companies do it..... because they have a proven track record of success.
But ,because you think you have it so together, Your ego causes you to stumble on these basic rules of business marketing.
In the case you described,
You are doing basically the same every other producer on a local level is doing.
Fueling new clients through recording and beat production. There is nothing new about this.
This is what happens when you have people that always want too look as if they are doing something.And didn't he call you a janitor handing in beat cds to your employer for money a few weeks ago? LOL.
I bet he works at the Apple Store. Plenty Geniuses there.
My argument's legs are in the 15 mill that RG just got. I'm back to the personal shots because you called me a ****ing liar. You get no respect. Has nothing to do with RG anymore.
Let's see:
Started by 2 people who were considered geniuses: Apple
Has a different CEO now than in the past: Apple
Yup, you work at the ****ing apple store and got a copypasta'd response from the Steve's while you sat at your desk, so you think you're important.
If they thought it was a great idea, and were interested, and are worth A BILLION GOD DAMN DOLLARS, why didn't they fund your project? Because it's probably ****ing stupid.
**** outta here, god damn liar.
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The company I work for came OUT THE GATE calling their company GENIUSES. Back when they only had 3 people.
This company doubles in size every few years. What other company is doing that in this recession? There are about 750 people here now.
lol...i'm glad you know so much about my business. But you'd be dead ass wrong.
But funny thing is, nobody knows (or cares) about you and what you do.
Poor guy.
The only thing worse than HATE is indifference.
2 things I know about this site after visiting it for 8+ years. Whenever someone mentions Timbaland Miko, a million people will rush into the thread doing cost comparisons of a cheaper rig, and Troup will never ever ever ever admit he's wrong. Ever. It's not in his soul. He's just not built that way. He could be drunk drivin and hit a parked schoolbus full of children, and he'll blame it on the kids. This man will find some way to blame it on the children sitting in their seats on the schoolbus. I guarantee you. To the other cats on this board, don't even waste your time. This man could be Adolf Hitler's publicist.