WTF! Texas Board Of Education Declare Hip Hop Is Not A Cultural Movement

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Wow, even with all the opposing views, we all seem to be very aware that racism does exsist, lol. I'll go as far as to say even in America today, your ethnicity will play the biggest factor in how your life turns out. Ethnicity overshadows your family's background.

I'm not gonna get deep into that up here, but you can choose to ignore the elephant in the room, but that f**kers still taking up all the space and you can't get around it or pretend it's not there when someone else points it out, lol. :cheers:

I love all human beings, something as simple as a skin tone is the most ridiculous trait to judge a person on. We don't even judge animals by their color, WTF? Don't change the fact tons of people do judge your entire exsistance on your ethnicity.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
It's just life. You only get one. Live the whole thing stressing and you still die without changing much(most likely will die younger and definetly less happy)
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"stressing" and addressing issues are two completely different issues.

people think they don't have to "stress" as long as they just:

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GST said:
until this day the target is no longer us physically but mentally and psychologically...
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true...but nowadays, they killin' two birds w/ one stone.

capture a man's mind, control him physically as a by-product...

LITERALLY "buy one, get one free"

GST said:
the problem is when it comes to discussing race,it's like certain parts are too sensitive or w/e the fuk it is idk,so it never really gets dealt with..
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word...in other words, silent weapons for quiet wars
 
Deranged,

That wasn't a stereotype, but it was a generalization. It's not incorrect however...you said it yourself...it's the American way. The USA pumps all this individualism propaganda. The American Dream. Anybody can come up and be rich. That essentially boils down to selfishness. The rich are NOT the majority.

The American Dream is a LIE. There is no scenario in which the majority of people can become wealthy. There needs to be a lower class for an upper class to exist. This is why Capitalism is only beneficial to a small percentage of the population. The USA is only 5% of the world's population, yet you consume 25% of resources.

Let me just say this: selfishness is not always a bad thing.

Don't take it as an insult. When you come out and say that you're worried about your own and everybody else's child can stay ignorant, how would you describe that? It's just a description of what you said in regards to what's happening in Texas.

And of course I don't know you, so I'm not gonna know everything you've ever done. All I'm talking about is what you've been saying in this thread. All those things you've mentioned are great. Props to you for that and props to you for actually wanting to bring up your kids the right way.

We need more people like that. What we don't need is the "fvck everybody else" attitude that you were talking earlier. Lose that and I'm on your side.

At the same time, you don't know me.

I was born in Iran during a WAR to parents who had their college studies interrupted by the violence and were wanted by the police for political reasons (Islamic Republic is a bytch...you don't agree with them, you're in jail or you wind up "missing"). I still remember the sirens going off and the jets bombing. We would flee the city whenever Saddam was bombing us. The building next to us was hit.

With no money, we fled to Turkey to escape all that nonsense. Since we weren't supposed to be there, we had to scavenge for food (literally, we'd go to the markets and take the shyt they threw out) and sleep wherever the police wouldn't harass us. This went on for 2 years. Being homeless sucks, but it taught to us how to get by on the bare minimum.

My father went to the UN but was rejected for refugee status. Then my mother (since she never changed her maiden name) went and they accepted her (but since my father was rejected earlier, he couldn't come with us). That's when they sent us to Canada.

We didn't come as immigrants. We came as refugees with no money. We lived on welfare at first and were under the poverty line for 9 years. Everything we have now, we worked for it and we came up against the odds. People who lived here for generations or immigrated here because they have money or know people had it easier than we did. Yet we still came up.

Silver spoon, my ass.

Because I was homeless myself, I've worked with the homeless since I was 14 years old. I've worked with blind people once a week for 4 years. I helped secure funding to build a basketball court for my neighborhood. I think you get the picture. I've done similar works of charity, just like you, and I applaud you for that.

I'm not talking about charity, however. Those are one-off acts of kindness.

I'm talking about being an active part of improving the system we live under. This is how you can help people you've never met...and since you live under the same system, it also helps yourself.

For example, just a few months ago, along with Amnesty International, we lobbied Parliament to introduce a bill that would hold Canadian corporations accountable for human rights violations and environmental abuse abroad. This was specifically because of what Texaco (Chevron) has been doing in Ecuador (look it up, the issue was featured in the film "Crude" by Joe Berlinger). Unfortunately, the Prime Minister Stephen Harper had prorogued Parliament so the bill was not voted on. We're going through the process again now that Parliament is back.

As far the USA, I have friends and family in NY, Philly, Miami, and LA. My father was accepted to and nearly attended the University of Houston. I lived in Atlanta last year and have been all over, from Ohio to Alabama. Of course, it's not the same as you since you lived in the USA all your life, but don't act like I'm up in the North Pole with Sarah Palin and I don't know what the fvck I'm talking about.

.....................................

Now with all that outta the way...what's the difference between me and you? Not much. I'm just saying go one step further....and if you don't want to, fine. There's plenty of people who think like you and don't want to. It's ok.

You're doing plenty.

Just don't try and belittle people who do care and are trying to help society.
 
WatchWhatHappens1204 said:
I got this one.

Because it's not a white black thing. Think Rockefeller... not Roc-a-fella (even though the irony is side-splitting). It doesn't have a damn thing to do with color. And some decades from now, when $hit is REALLY hitting the fan, everyone on the bottom levels of that PYRAMID are really gonna realize that racism never really existed, just THE EVILS OF CAPITALISM... IMPERIALISM... etc.

Black people weren't the only slaves out there.

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Of course racism exists, but I don't think that's you meant, right?

You're talking about the elite. When it gets to that level, it's mostly about power, not race.
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
what are the drawbacks of the bill? (if any)
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It remains to be seen, but the glaring hole is that it lacks a single payer plan similar to Canada, Australia, and Europe. The USA is the only wealthy nation who lacks this.

That's the biggest issue. It's not "public healthcare". It's pushing more people into private insurance.

Read this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/22/2853179.htm?site=thedrum

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Texas says hi:
 
everyone has opinions, these folks just decided to be a**holes about theres...i personally don't really care, there wouldn't be anything to move against otherwise..hehe..
 
Voss25 said:
Deranged,

That wasn't a stereotype, but it was a generalization. It's not incorrect however...you said it yourself...it's the American way. The USA pumps all this individualism propaganda. The American Dream. Anybody can come up and be rich. That essentially boils down to selfishness. The rich are NOT the majority.

The American Dream is a LIE. There is no scenario in which the majority of people can become wealthy. There needs to be a lower class for an upper class to exist. This is why Capitalism is only beneficial to a small percentage of the population. The USA is only 5% of the world's population, yet you consume 25% of resources.

Let me just say this: selfishness is not always a bad thing.

Don't take it as an insult. When you come out and say that you're worried about your own and everybody else's child can stay ignorant, how would you describe that? It's just a description of what you said in regards to what's happening in Texas.

And of course I don't know you, so I'm not gonna know everything you've ever done. All I'm talking about is what you've been saying in this thread. All those things you've mentioned are great. Props to you for that and props to you for actually wanting to bring up your kids the right way.

We need more people like that. What we don't need is the "fvck everybody else" attitude that you were talking earlier. Lose that and I'm on your side.

At the same time, you don't know me.

I was born in Iran during a WAR to parents who had their college studies interrupted by the violence and were wanted by the police for political reasons (Islamic Republic is a bytch...you don't agree with them, you're in jail or you wind up "missing"). I still remember the sirens going off and the jets bombing. We would flee the city whenever Saddam was bombing us. The building next to us was hit.

With no money, we fled to Turkey to escape all that nonsense. Since we weren't supposed to be there, we had to scavenge for food (literally, we'd go to the markets and take the shyt they threw out) and sleep wherever the police wouldn't harass us. This went on for 2 years. Being homeless sucks, but it taught to us how to get by on the bare minimum.

My father went to the UN but was rejected for refugee status. Then my mother (since she never changed her maiden name) went and they accepted her (but since my father was rejected earlier, he couldn't come with us). That's when they sent us to Canada.

We didn't come as immigrants. We came as refugees with no money. We lived on welfare at first and were under the poverty line for 9 years. Everything we have now, we worked for it and we came up against the odds. People who lived here for generations or immigrated here because they have money or know people had it easier than we did. Yet we still came up.

Silver spoon, my ass.

Because I was homeless myself, I've worked with the homeless since I was 14 years old. I've worked with blind people once a week for 4 years. I helped secure funding to build a basketball court for my neighborhood. I think you get the picture. I've done similar works of charity, just like you, and I applaud you for that.

I'm not talking about charity, however. Those are one-off acts of kindness.

I'm talking about being an active part of improving the system we live under. This is how you can help people you've never met...and since you live under the same system, it also helps yourself.

For example, just a few months ago, along with Amnesty International, we lobbied Parliament to introduce a bill that would hold Canadian corporations accountable for human rights violations and environmental abuse abroad. This was specifically because of what Texaco (Chevron) has been doing in Ecuador (look it up, the issue was featured in the film "Crude" by Joe Berlinger). Unfortunately, the Prime Minister Stephen Harper had prorogued Parliament so the bill was not voted on. We're going through the process again now that Parliament is back.

As far the USA, I have friends and family in NY, Philly, Miami, and LA. My father was accepted to and nearly attended the University of Houston. I lived in Atlanta last year and have been all over, from Ohio to Alabama. Of course, it's not the same as you since you lived in the USA all your life, but don't act like I'm up in the North Pole with Sarah Palin and I don't know what the fvck I'm talking about.

.....................................

Now with all that outta the way...what's the difference between me and you? Not much. I'm just saying go one step further....and if you don't want to, fine. There's plenty of people who think like you and don't want to. It's ok.

You're doing plenty.

Just don't try and belittle people who do care and are trying to help society.
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And in all respect, there's plenty who have done everything you're doing and took it steps further. That don't mean they got the time to rally for everything in their present life.

I was soapbox preaching when Coke supported Aparteid. Went hard during the Yugoslav and Gulf war as a tween. Then I got into hustling, smoking, drinking, fighting, chasing chicks, and got selfish.

Got on my books got my mind right, well aware of everything revolving around me, and by the time I was getting it together, I was having my first son.

Ultimately, I've done nothing. I only put effort in as an optimistic child. For all your work, you said yourself bills weren't voted on. So you ultimately did no more than I did as an optimistic 8-12 year old who thought he had the power to end wars, global warming, and aparteid.

I'm not knocking y'alls efforts. Fight your "war", but don't call me "selfish" for the path I chose when you have no clue how to really "fight" and win anything.

You're just as immobile as me, one of us is standing still, the other's in a hamster wheel. The day the cage door opens we all got even opportunity to run. Hope you not tired from all that cage wheel running. You could call it excersise for the run to come, but I've already ran that wheel into the ground and I'm in just as good of condition as you think you need to warn me to be in.

The American Dream is very real. :cheers:
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
And in all respect, there's plenty who have done everything you're doing and took it steps further. That don't mean they got the time to rally for everything in their present life.

I was soapbox preaching when Coke supported Aparteid. Went hard during the Yugoslav and Gulf war as a tween. Then I got into hustling, smoking, drinking, fighting, chasing chicks, and got selfish.

Got on my books got my mind right, well aware of everything revolving around me, and by the time I was getting it together, I was having my first son.

Ultimately, I've done nothing. I only put effort in as an optimistic child. For all your work, you said yourself bills weren't voted on. So you ultimately did no more than I did as an optimistic 8-12 year old who thought he had the power to end wars, global warming, and aparteid.

I'm not knocking y'alls efforts. Fight your "war", but don't call me "selfish" for the path I chose when you have no clue how to really "fight" and win anything.

You're just as immobile as me, one of us is standing still, the other's in a hamster wheel. The day the cage door opens we all got even opportunity to run. Hope you not tired from all that cage wheel running. You could call it excersise for the run to come, but I've already ran that wheel into the ground and I'm in just as good of condition as you think you need to warn me to be in.

The American Dream is very real. :cheers:
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Main Entry: self·ish
Pronunciation: \ˈsel-fish\
Function: adjective
Date: 1640
1 : concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
2 : arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others <a selfish act>

you don't have to be so defensive..like Voss said,being selfish isn't always a bad thing...if you have your reasoning then thas just what it is..can't nobody make you do anything you don't want to
 
Voss25 said:
Of course racism exists, but I don't think that's you meant, right?

You're talking about the elite. When it gets to that level, it's mostly about power, not race.
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BINgooo.......

But on another note, it is very refreshing to see people discussing this on an open end in a forum like this one. It's one thing to see all the propaganda online about things but another to be able to DISCUSS something so much more real than rappers' chains gettin snatched.

I give all yall props.

Psychological warfare is a hell of a drug.

In the beginning, it was easy for certain few nations that didn't have any unique qualities and talents, and were too lazy to do certain things themselves, to go and steal food, land, shelter, survival techniques, and yeah, straight labor, from most of the other nations of the world.

In a more modern global society where we've all grown to be much more connected, the physical imperialism just gets a makeover. It's replaced with that psychological bull$hit.

Which is where Hip Hop music and textbooks collide.

No hard feelings either. Black, white, green, I don't care. Trust, I act niggardly enough in person, I'm no scholar. Just another open mind. But those pictures (there's other websites out there dedicated to that $hit) should be enough to show anyone that doesn't think it's serious otherwise.

Not even talking about you at all Deranged, more so the people that take the race issue for a joke. Only thing is, it's deeper than "my race is better". It's straight property. People on the same level that view each other as SUBHUMAN. Dangerous amount of ignorance there.

That's why it means something when we turn on the TV and rappers are "making it rain". Complete disregard for the value of wealth and hard work.

P.S. Usually it's either Me Against The World, or Us VS. Them.
I'm experimenting with the possibility that both can co-exist. Even in music. Is it possible to floss without being ignorant about it, and still be a beacon of hope...

In the meantime, :cheers:
 
WatchWhatHappens1204 said:
Psychological warfare is a hell of a drug.
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yeah...and it hits people from multiple angles...from day one.

i'm still "unprogramming" myself...and it's been slow, gradual process...

it totally begins w/ SIGNIFICANTLY reducing your number of hours exposing yourself to mainstream media in most of it's forms, and replacing that w/ more credible, unbiased information sources...AND asking questions...A LOT of questions...and then thinking critically; and coming up with YOUR OWN conclusions from YOUR OWN research.

best advice i could give to the kids...
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Library, Parents, Grandparents, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Amazon, History Channel, PBS, Internet, College > 1 Public School History book.

You'll never find the whole truth in any history book. Check out a German school book on WWI, or a Japanese one on WWII, How do the Spaniards explain where they got all that gold...... I could run on forever about my old textbooks and a bunch of other countries' textbook inaccuracies, fallacies and understatements all day. The books were BS when I went and they'll be BS when my son starts school. That's what I'm here for.
 
hip-hop is not a culture. hip-hop is a style of music that most people in the "low income urban culture" listen to. Making hip-hop a culture would be like making playing basketball a "culture" . At best it would be a facet of a sub-culture . At worst it would be a counterculture, that is a culture that promotes values and mores that are incompatible with the host societies values . And if by "hip-hop" you are talking about "dj'ing, break dancing, and graffiti" , then even more so is hip-hop not a culture since nobody here does all those things . To a lesser extent hip-hop already is a subculture in the same way that "sports fans" are a subculture, but it isnt a culture, nor is it worth mentioning at schools . There are more important things to learn and teach concerning the urban low income communities, than what they listen to. "hip-hop" may be a a footnote in a textbook giving examples of certain negative behaviors caused by disenfranchisement of urbanite proletarians .
 
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nothin like a fresh cup o denial in the morning.
 
California said:
hip-hop is not a culture. hip-hop is a style of music that most people in the "low income urban culture" listen to. Making hip-hop a culture would be like making playing basketball a "culture" . At best it would be a facet of a sub-culture . At worst it would be a counterculture, that is a culture that promotes values and mores that are incompatible with the host societies values . And if by "hip-hop" you are talking about "dj'ing, break dancing, and graffiti" , then even more so is hip-hop not a culture since nobody here does all those things . To a lesser extent hip-hop already is a subculture in the same way that "sports fans" are a subculture, but it isnt a culture, nor is it worth mentioning at schools . There are more important things to learn and teach concerning the urban low income communities, than what they listen to. "hip-hop" may be a a footnote in a textbook giving examples of certain negative behaviors caused by disenfranchisement of urbanite proletarians .
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rubbish

we learned about many sub-cultures in social studies and history class..shyt niggaz ain't got nothing to do with


like I was watching a movie today and this white reporter tried to bribe this black cop with Bruce Springsteen tickets,cop asked him 'do I look white to you?'..reporter says 'but he's The Boss!'..cop says 'he's your boss,not mine!'
 
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