WTF! Texas Board Of Education Declare Hip Hop Is Not A Cultural Movement

[2nice]

That's taught in the sex ed class not the history class.

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Yeah, I GET AROUND and GIMME THE LOOT inspired millions.

You know you can inspire / influence people to do negative things right?

Right now somebody's daughter is shaking in front of 10 dudes while "How low can you go" plays. I don't need my daughter listening to that.

You don't have kids and from what you said - you should never have kids unless you have a stash of bail / abortion money.

yea 2pac and biggie inspired millions. if u don't think so, i won't even have this argument with you, we're going to have to agree to disagree. i think most people would agree with me that, uh, 2pac and biggie have inspired millions (or at least "thousands upon thousands" which is what i originally said). and most would also agree that each of them made music that often goes much deeper than "i get around" or "gimmie the loot." for instance, *like i said*, which u are making me repeat, 2pac had many lyrics about social awareness. it's not even about "social awareness," the fact is that 2pac and biggie are 2 of the best artists rap has seen. again, if you think 2pac's music is best characterized by unserious, playful stuff like "i get around," or that he hasn't had a huge positive social influence by way of his inspiration and motivating thousands of people to do something creative/constructive with their time, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

and if u think i shouldn't have kids because of what i'd let them listen to, that's a laugh. i should repeat myself again: i will make sure my kids do well in school, which is many times more important than what media they are sheltered from and exposed to. if you don't think so, *you* shouldn't have kids. i scored perfect on the math section of the SAT and as a result, i'll be able to teach my kids tons of math. you have a sense of what is appropriate, and as a result, you will steer your kids clear of lyrics that might have a dangerous influence. hmmm, which do you think goes farther?

quit making me repeat myself. and obviously we're not on the same page with this one. so i'm done here.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

man plz

when mofos come to burn your shyt down,the only thing you can do is bust your gun and hope you can protect it..it ain't just about your world..it's about being aware of the dangers that could fuk your world up and preventing it

I made it out a place where "when mofos kick in yo door" the same rules applied. I've got peace of mind for now, that's 1 thing more than I ever had then, some I'm winning. Especially when the "mofos" you speak of burning down hoods where you got other "mofos" to worry about as well long before they get to my subburb.

Life too short to worry bout what ifs, I shouldn't be here now, I'm better than I should be and already lived a better life than I imagined regardless. ONLY IN AMERICA.

 

[biggrome]

Hip Hop is worse than a school book. That's why the CD's have those Parental Advisory stickers on them.... most other genre's don't.

Hip Hop promotes - drinking, sex, violence, it uses incorrect speech, diction and grammar, promotes smoking green, degradation of women, jealousy... and 50 other things that a impressionable kid should not be exposed to... start teaching kids that or even letting them know about so they get curious... and you've done the kid a disservice.

How many vids have you seen a scantily clad woman standing in front of some tatted up dude while he throws money at her?

Throwing your money around? Women feeling they have to degrade themselves for a dollar?

We're doing it to ourselves, if I hadn't been raised on Hip Hop.... I'd laugh at Hip Hoppers too. "Look he has a pocket full of money that isn't gaining any interest in a bank, LOL!!! Come here honey, he's throwing his money on the floor and some poor girl is grabbing it like when we feed the pigeons at the park, oh this is great entertainment. Go put on your big earrings and tight dress, I'll put my baseball cap on backwards and put some aluminum foil on my teeth and we'll role play. When I come into the room, just call me Boss PIMP Stack Mucho... and don't get it wrong. So you in 30 minutes"

Now who would like a jello pudding popppp.... mmmuuuuaaaahhhh! Camilleee bring the little whipper snappers some jello pudding pops.

 

[MUSIKFIEND]

and it's not like they dedicate a whole chapter to hip hop music,do they? if anything,a couple paragraphs,right? it all correlates to black history which is American history,so it just seems like some really big hatin going on

I wouldn't say hate so much as misunderstanding & let's be honest they powers that be don't give a damn about black culture although they've been raping it forever. Nothing you can do about it thought just teach your kids what you want them to know & dont rely on the textbooks really.

 

[biggrome]

lol @ the people up here who grew up on hip-hop not wanting their kids to hear it & only focusing on the negative aspects of it as a reason.

Hip Hop then is nothing like Hip Hop now, once N.W.A changed the game. Hip Hop became for adults because it's all adult content.

You don't give your kid Adult rated DVD's do you? Why do you want them to hear it then?

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

^^^Damn we think the same. I was about to ask if folk felt that when they talk about motion pictures in school history they should cover porn as well...

That don't mean 12 year olds don't find their dad's dirty mags and vids and by 16 don't know how to get it on their own...Just sayin.

 

[GST]

yea 2pac inspired millions. if u don't think so, i won't even have this argument with you, we're going to have to agree to disagree. i think most people would agree with me that, uh, 2pac has inspired millions (or at least "thousands upon thousands" which is what i originally said). and most would also agree that his music often goes much deeper than "i get around." like i said, which u are making me repeat, he had many lyrics about social awareness. again, if you think 2pac's music is best characterized by unserious, playful stuff like "i get around," or that he hasn't had a huge positive social influence by way of his inspiration and motivating thousands of people to do something creative/constructive with their time, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

and if u think i shouldn't have kids because of what i'd let them listen to, that's a laugh. i should repeat myself again: i will make sure my kids do well in school, which is many times more important than what media they are sheltered from and exposed to. if you don't think so, *you* shouldn't have kids. i scored perfect on the math section of the SAT and as a result, i'll be able to teach my kids tons of math. you have a sense of what is appropriate, and as a result, you will steer your kids clear of lyrics that might have a dangerous influence. hmmm, which do you think goes farther?

quit making me repeat myself. and obviously we're not on the same page with this one.

yes..Pac was far deeper than I Get Around..thas like saying Michael Jackson was only known for Billie Jean and the moonwalk

I made it out a place where "when mofos kick in yo door" the same rules applied. I've got peace of mind for now, that's 1 thing more than I ever had then, some I'm winning. Especially when the "mofos" you speak of burning down hoods where you got other "mofos" to worry about as well long before they get to my subburb.

Life too short to worry bout what ifs, I shouldn't be here now, I'm better than I should be and already lived a better life than I imagined regardless. ONLY IN AMERICA.

which,my brother,is selfish thinking but I can dig it

I wouldn't say hate so much as misunderstanding & let's be honest they powers that be don't give a damn about black culture although they've been raping it forever. Nothing you can do about it thought just teach your kids what you want them to know & dont rely on the textbooks really.

we definently can not rely on textbooks and teachers but this move that they're tryna make is only a smaller move ultimately leading to the big one thas gonna fuk this country up..after 9/11,I truly believe that it's only going to get worse before it gets better and this here is proof for me

 

[MUSIKFIEND]

Hip Hop then is nothing like Hip Hop now, once N.W.A changed the game. Hip Hop became for adults because it's all adult content.

You don't give your kid Adult rated DVD's do you? Why do you want them to hear it then?

If you look back @ my post, i said teen. You're right to keep it away from your little kids but at about 12-13 (at the latest) why not teach them about sex. I think a real problem is that a lot of parents tend to shelter their kids from reality. Let them know about safe sex & the cons to not having safe sex (although w/ a daughter i wouldn't wanna have that discussion, lol). As i also said alot of the hip-hop nowadays you're right to keep from your kids but there are some of the exceptions that i listed that i wouldn't mind teaching the kids about as long as you put what their listening to in context. Pac would be a perfect example b/c you could play them some of his songs to display how smart dude was but then you could show them how his "thug" lifestyle led to his death.

 

[biggrome]

^^^Damn we think the same. I was about to ask if folk felt that when they talk about motion pictures in school history they should cover porn as well...Just sayin.

I've seen kids who's parents let them listen to and look at everything. Those kids made me take the stance I have. One kid, he was 13 years old... was left alone with a 16 year old girl that loved Hip Hop and so did he... they decided that it would be fun to do what's on those records and on TV, well whaddaya know... here comes a pre-mature baby that has all kinds of health problems because 13 year old sperm isn't actually strong enough to produce a full blown child with everything in working order. What else happens? Well, 13 year olds don't get married and get jobs because they can't even work, 16 years old get embarrassed because they basically just took it from a 13 year old. So they split, baby is born. Inject more THUG LIFE music, 13 year old keeps listening, can't work, can't pay child support but back child support is going to be waiting on him whenever he can. 13 year old is now about 19 keep listening to Big Poppa, does some stuff Big Poppa makes "SOUND!" cool. 19 year old is on a white school bus in shackles and he won't see his baby for a minute. 19 year old does his time but he screwed himself... times get hard... inject some Trap music... sound good, now the 22 year old tries some of that stuff that "SOUNDS" good... back on the white bus, back in shackles... haven't seen him since... terrible.

Was Hip Hop to blame, probably not. Was it an influence, probably so.

Theoooo! did ja do ya homeworkkkkkkk....

 

[MUSIKFIEND]

I've seen kids who's parents let them listen to and look at everything. Those kids made me take the stance I have. One kid, he was 13 years old... was left alone with a 16 year old girl that loved Hip Hop and so did he... they decided that it would be fun to do what's on those records and on TV, well whaddaya know... here comes a pre-mature baby that has all kinds of health problems because 13 year old sperm isn't actually strong enough to produce a full blown child with everything in working order. What else happens? Well, 13 year olds don't get married and get jobs because they can't even work, 16 years old get embarrassed because they basically just took it from a 13 year old. So they split, baby is born. Inject more THUG LIFE music, 13 year old keeps listening, can't work, can't pay child support but back child support is going to be waiting on him whenever he can. 13 year old is now about 19 keep listening to Big Poppa, does some stuff Big Poppa makes "SOUND!" cool. 19 year old is on a white school bus in shackles and he won't see his baby for a minute. 19 year old does his time but he screwed himself... times get hard... inject some Trap music... sound good, now the 22 year old tries some of that stuff that "SOUNDS" good... back on the white bus, back in shackles... haven't seen him since... terrible.

Was Hip Hop to blame, probably not. Was it an influence, probably so.

Theoooo! did ja do ya homeworkkkkkkk....

As i said explain it to them in context & let them no that the life glamorized on a lot of rap records will either lead you to jail or dead. Their gonna hear it anyway better it come from you then their little knucklehead friends who are just as clueless as them, lol. Hell i'm from the hood & when i was growing up i used to listen to Boy Bands, 2Pac, ODB, Will Smith & i watched the Terminator as well as the Cosby Show, BET, & the Disney channel. All of either is damaging to be honest, why not teach them about both sides. Right & wrong.

 

[biggrome]

yes..Pac was far deeper than I Get Around..thas like saying Michael Jackson was only known for Billie Jean and the moonwalk

Jim Jones was deeper that kool aid and cyanide to some people.

 

[GST]

Hip Hop then is nothing like Hip Hop now, once N.W.A changed the game. Hip Hop became for adults because it's all adult content.

You don't give your kid Adult rated DVD's do you? Why do you want them to hear it then?

if you're being serious then you're being cynical

why are you focusing on the negatives?

your attitude says that the roots you grew up with no longer exist and aren't worth your children learning about..so thas 30 yrs of your life you wasted cuz you can't say that hip hop hasn't affected how you look at life but now it seems as if you're saying it wasn't worth it

 

[Musikal1]

I've seen kids who's parents let them listen to and look at everything. Those kids made me take the stance I have. One kid, he was 13 years old... was left alone with a 16 year old girl that loved Hip Hop and so did he... they decided that it would be fun to do what's on those records and on TV, well whaddaya know... here comes a pre-mature baby that has all kinds of health problems because 13 year old sperm isn't actually strong enough to produce a full blown child with everything in working order. What else happens? Well, 13 year olds don't get married and get jobs because they can't even work, 16 years old get embarrassed because they basically just took it from a 13 year old. So they split, baby is born. Inject more THUG LIFE music, 13 year old keeps listening, can't work, can't pay child support but back child support is going to be waiting on him whenever he can. 13 year old is now about 19 keep listening to Big Poppa, does some stuff Big Poppa makes "SOUND!" cool. 19 year old is on a white school bus in shackles and he won't see his baby for a minute. 19 year old does his time but he screwed himself... times get hard... inject some Trap music... sound good, now the 22 year old tries some of that stuff that "SOUNDS" good... back on the white bus, back in shackles... haven't seen him since... terrible.

Was Hip Hop to blame, probably not. Was it an influence, probably so.

Theoooo! did ja do ya homeworkkkkkkk....

Might aswell throw the death techno brings promoting drugs like extasy and cocaine in high amounts and you might aswell talk about cutting yourself with rock music,Those are all stereotypes and if you blame hiphop for your kids being ****ups then your ignorant,you should of taught your kids better.
-No pun intended just throwin that out there.

 

[biggrome]

As i said explain it to them in context & let them no that the life glamorized on a lot of rap records will either lead you to jail or dead. Their gonna hear it anyway better it come from you then their little knucklehead friends who are just as clueless as them, lol. Hell i'm from the hood & when i was growing up i used to listen to Boy Bands, 2Pac, ODB, Will Smith & i watched the Terminator as well as the Cosby Show, BET, & the Disney channel. All of either is damaging to be honest, why not teach them about both sides. Right & wrong.

You will teach them about it, you don't have to use Hip Hop to teach about it. If you tell your child not to smoke crack, do you go buy him some rocks?

 

[GST]

Jim Jones was deeper that kool aid and cyanide to some people.

thas new to me

I think you speak of the same ppl that think 'keeping it real' means to 'sell drug' or be loud and obnoxious in public

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

As i said explain it to them in context & let them no that the life glamorized on a lot of rap records will either lead you to jail or dead. Their gonna hear it anyway better it come from you then their little knucklehead friends who are just as clueless as them, lol. Hell i'm from the hood & when i was growing up i used to listen to Boy Bands, 2Pac, ODB, Will Smith & i watched the Terminator as well as the Cosby Show, BET, & the Disney channel. All of either is damaging to be honest, why not teach them about both sides. Right & wrong.

Kinda off subject, but when I was 5, I saw Transformers the Movie. That taught me more about violence than any rap song or other movie ever in my life. Sounds funny, even ridiculous. But I've had real life friends killed in front of me at later ages that didn't tramatize me as much as seeing all my action figures die in that movie. lol.

I'd let my kids listen to 2 Live Crew before I let them watch that movie, and it wouldn't effect them, cause they'd have no clue who those robots dying were.

Just a rant.

 

[biggrome]

your attitude says that the roots you grew up with no longer exist

This is a true statement. I can't teach my child about the Hip Hop I grew up on an expect them to "get it"

... no more than you can under slavery as anything more than a tragic story.

 

[MUSIKFIEND]

You will teach them about it, you don't have to use Hip Hop to teach about it. If you tell your child not to smoke crack, do you go buy him some rocks?

No you don't technically have to use hip-hop but why not teach your kids something you enjoy. If i was telling my child not to smoke crack i wouldn't buy them some rocks, i might however show them some crackheads/crack babies & let them see what crack does to you & i'd say more often then not it will probably be a deterent. Let's face it once they get a little older their gonna listen to what they wanna listen to anyways so why not put it in context from the jump. It's everywhere really though. Music, TV, Movies, Magazine AD's, etc.

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Might aswell throw the death techno brings promoting drugs like extasy and cocaine in high amounts and you might aswell talk about cutting yourself with rock music,Those are all stereotypes and if you blame hiphop for your kids being ****ups then your ignorant,you should of taught your kids better.
-No pun intended just throwin that out there.

That's like saying all country singers are wife-beating alcoholics, lol.

 

[GST]

the point is,apparently the shyt is already in the books (which wasn't a problem til some ppl got salty..that last election is damn sure bringng the goons out),so why a push to take it out of textbooks in favor of country music ? what damage has mentioning hip hop in textbooks done,really? if any,wtf were they teaching them ?

 

[Voss25]

Deranged, the reason I say your way of thinking is selfish is because...IT IS. When you only care about your immediate and not the society as a whole, you're being selfish.

Ironically, disregarding what happens in society can come back to bite you in the ass, so it defies the logic of only worrying about yourself.

Big Rome, you're blowing things outta proportion. I highly doubt they're gonna sit the kids down and tell them their homework is to watch "Shake Ya Ass" by Mystikal and write a paper on it.

They had mentioned in their textbooks that hip-hop was a cultural movement. Now, they are going to remove references to hip-hop and instead include references to country music. Why do something like that? Why not include both? Judging by the rest of their amendments and the character of the people on the board, this particular vote was racially motivated.

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