TonyG shyt on sites like PMP

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hold up...lets all take a ten min. nap, wake up, and try this again... I even got alil annoyed this morning with the ranting... This a great convo guys that's doing us some good... lets tone it down alil bit, unless the wiizard shows up and I call his fake ass out again... (I bet he's so sick of my calling him shyt it's ridiculous..lol)
 
I'm in a great mood, just speaking the truth. plus if you think $50k is enough, your going to be very disappointed. VERY! I am a big advocate on the indie route!!!! But you need to know the history of the industry.

My point is that most people here don't have a clue on what they are doing. they need to fall back and prepare. do your homework, learn the craft, the business and the game before you go to war. No soldier would ever go into battle with no gear, no plan, no ammo. and the industry is war. just a very delicate war.

And also Edgar did fvck up alot for indies, look at what happened to napster. the industry is still lost. Edgar ran Universal (has we know it now) and WMG. and fcked up both of them. that only leaves EMI (almost dead) and Sony. and Sony is the only one that is still doing relatively well. homework. ther is more to him than what wiki says. connect dots. figure out who are the real key players and how are they related to each other.
 
ALL money in this industry comes from OWNERSHIP. and from licensing. and only a few people here actually know what licensing is. IT IS NOT LEASING!!!!

That OWNERSHIP is transitioning to ACCESS.

EDIT: I'm talking about consumer access, to clarify.
 
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I don't get along with EVERY SINGLE MOFU. that's the difference between being real and acting

it's not hard to find a way into the industry. it is hard to stay relevant though.

there are two kinds of mentors: those who can show you how great they are and those who can help you find out if YOU are great or not.

people feel your vibe. and they feel when you are FAKE

good info...
 
are too ignorant plan their careers. They have fragmented plans, if any. People need to learn more about the climate, the past, and current trends to figure out where this industry is heading.

ALL money in this industry comes from OWNERSHIP.

Kaboom.

Less dreaming and more execution.
Less hating and more understanding.
Less denial and more TRUTH.

Let me repeat Dwells line: ALL MONEY IN THIS INDUSTRY COMES FROM OWNERSHIP. Ask yourself, what do you own that is of VALUE? And how do you monetize it? This thread will make it to 1000 posts because the Matrix Era is OVER! Time to CREATE new business systems, new industries and take OWNERSHIP.
 
Yeah my bad I was thinking about consumers.
Clarified it.
 
Mechanical sales are dead

your cd is not going to sell, You can hustle a few units, but does your cd sell when you are not there?

ALL money in this industry comes from OWNERSHIP.
and from licensing. and only a few people here actually know what licensing is. IT IS NOT LEASING!!!!

I've never heard a chick in the club saying 'this is my beat'. the only people who care about beats are beatmakers, backpackers, and a few artist. The rest of the world cares about songs!!!
The finished work!!

points taken...good post
 
edgar bronfman and his families money can't effect self-entrepreneurship with a budget of $50k or less which is what alot of projects are going to be funded like.

but a lot of the projects which were funded with such a sum re-couped pretty fast or died out. the local markets were healthy. some still are, but feel the depression.

you can not say "you can potentially reach 1.4 billion people", because reaching even a fraction of that number costs more than you have (going back to the 50k example).

so you are back to depending on the local market(s). but since hip hop is dying out and "hip hop shows" are less parties and more "watching the idol on stage", there is no real connection. this is not a 14 year old girl buying posters, shirts, caps, whatever, like it used to be during most of the 80s and 90s.

now reaching a certain level of success was less expensive back then (in the long run), because you could get that money back in CD sales. you can't expect to sell MP3s at concerts today and people are less interested in merchandise.

basically, the production of the music, video, website and so on is extremely cheap these days. but reaching a certain level of success became HARDER, because the majors themselves saturated the market and THEN, on top of it, concentrated on working the catalogs and charging each other for the samples they use. hip hop is done. it was dependent on Artistic Freedom (up to Bizz Markie), not on the shows, CD/tape sales, etc...
the LOCAL markets were healthy.

so all you can do these days, is to tour and promote. might work. but since (like mentioned), the actual production of the music/video/fliers, etc... is cheap, THAT entry level is out the window. unlike in the late 70s up to late 80s, you don't have an "entry level" sound. you can recreate anything with either just FL Studio or a million dollar studio.

you are not only competing against those on YOUR LEVEL, but also on those below AND above you. you need to focus the attention of your target group on your product, but with the fragmentation in media (amount of online/offline video and music, games, etc...) that's HARDER and local markets are not enough.

this is why ringtones were the last bandwagon the industry could jump on.
now the access to the music will be reversed, you as a customer will have access to EVERYTHING and ANYONE, but guess what?
you will still go for the "usual suspects". and when mobile devices take completely over (next 5 years), you will use the "most popular websites" again. for your movies, music and games..................so what exactly will change for the majors, when there will still be "Online Universal", "Online THX Cinema", "Online Hot FM" and so on.

you can't aim to high, UNLESS you form your own conglomerate. but since many (no, not talking about you JTroup) want to do it ALL, ALL ON THEIR OWN, how do these conglomerates are supposed to be formed?
this is not Communism or a hippie community on the island of Goa.

so what do you get in 5-7 years? a new ONLINE major. that was it. and even $50m won't be enough to create that beast. this is about product and selling it, not about creating some social platform which lives by selling your personal data................................to aggregators. full circle.

edit: like Diddy said "I could've gone LIVE, online in 2002. but I didn't know that I COULD...". these days ALL of us know how to do it. so how many MAINSTREAM, INTERNATIONAL stars did Myspace, Youtube & Ustream create since around 2000? not many. and that's basically the answer to most questions. if it COULD HAVE BEEN DONE, many more would've "made it big".
 
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I'm in a great mood, just speaking the truth. plus if you think $50k is enough, your going to be very disappointed. VERY! I am a big advocate on the indie route!!!! But you need to know the history of the industry.

My point is that most people here don't have a clue on what they are doing. they need to fall back and prepare. do your homework, learn the craft, the business and the game before you go to war. No soldier would ever go into battle with no gear, no plan, no ammo. and the industry is war. just a very delicate war.

And also Edgar did fvck up alot for indies, look at what happened to napster. the industry is still lost. Edgar ran Universal (has we know it now) and WMG. and fcked up both of them. that only leaves EMI (almost dead) and Sony. and Sony is the only one that is still doing relatively well. homework. ther is more to him than what wiki says. connect dots. figure out who are the real key players and how are they related to each other.
cool, glad to hear it cause tempers fly around here like KOKO disses...lol
50K can be plenty if you know how to shop for producers and have a recording chain that's setup properly. Look at what TonyG's doing right now. He said, "phuck track dumps as a sole source", this guys on ustream sizing up the newbies and getting some great stuff sent his way. Even Chondaun got on ustream and shopped for tracks. Again my dude, the game is changing. 20,000 at a decent studio, and 30 for beats/writing and it can definently happen. Think MICRO-MANAGING man. What do most artist pay for when producing an album for his label? Producers/writers/engineers/room&board/A%R/clothes/fun/drugs/alcohol/sex/more drugs/mastering. Think about all the things driving the price down. Look around online, studios that were 2,000 an hour are not even half that cause there trying to attract more independant projects, trust that I've been looking around. Youv'e also gotta do some homework man cause this history of ours is rich and full of all te results of tricks that won't work if you don't answer the phone homie. 50 can't push your project back if your projects ran by you. Niggas gotta get past thinking they need a piggie backride to get across the river. How much do you think Elzhi's project cost? He's up and coming with some amazing production on his shyt. Let's take the blinders off guys, it wont hurt...I promise.
 
Forget the majors for now, there a mess. Be your own man FP cause it's the only way to get anything worth having in the long run.

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but a lot of the projects which were funded with such a sum re-couped pretty fast or died out. the local markets were healthy. some still are, but feel the depression.

you can not say "you can potentially reach 1.4 billion people", because reaching even a fraction of that number costs more than you have (going back to the 50k example).

so you are back to depending on the local market(s). but since hip hop is dying out and "hip hop shows" are less parties and more "watching the idol on stage", there is no real connection. this is not a 14 year old girl buying posters, shirts, caps, whatever, like it used to be during most of the 80s and 90s.

now reaching a certain level of success was less expensive back then (in the long run), because you could get that money back in CD sales. you can't expect to sell MP3s at concerts today and people are less interested in merchandise.

basically, the production of the music, video, website and so on is extremely cheap these days. but reaching a certain level of success became HARDER, because the majors themselves saturated the market and THEN, on top of it, concentrated on working the catalogs and charging each other for the samples they use. hip hop is done. it was dependent on Artistic Freedom (up to Bizz Markie), not on the shows, CD/tape sales, etc...
the LOCAL markets were healthy.

so all you can do these days, is to tour and promote. might work. but since (like mentioned), the actual production of the music/video/fliers, etc... is cheap, THAT entry level is out the window. unlike in the late 70s up to late 80s, you don't have an "entry level" sound. you can recreate anything with either just FL Studio or a million dollar studio.

you are not only competing against those on YOUR LEVEL, but also on those below AND above you. you need to focus the attention of your target group on your product, but with the fragmentation in media (amount of online/offline video and music, games, etc...) that's HARDER and local markets are not enough.

this is why ringtones were the last bandwagon the industry could jump on.
now the access to the music will be reversed, you as a customer will have access to EVERYTHING and ANYONE, but guess what?
you will still go for the "usual suspects". and when mobile devices take completely over (next 5 years), you will use the "most popular websites" again. for your movies, music and games..................so what exactly will change for the majors, when there will still be "Online Universal", "Online THX Cinema", "Online Hot FM" and so on.

you can't aim to high, UNLESS you form your own conglomerate. but since many (no, not talking about you JTroup) want to do it ALL, ALL ON THEIR OWN, how do these conglomerates are supposed to be formed?
this is not Communism or a hippie community on the island of Goa.

so what do you get in 5-7 years? a new ONLINE major. that was it. and even $50m won't be enough to create that beast. this is about product and selling it, not about creating some social platform which lives by selling your personal data................................to aggregators. full circle.
I think it'll be hard to completly see your views unless time can be jumped and i can come back to this thread but your ideas sound very realistic i must say. BUT, with the mom-n-pop label game having a second breath of air music sales and vids etc. will probably get the HULU treatment. Think back to The Box and how YouTube took that and made it in real-time. Think back to posters and album cover reading that made OG's go crazy when they saw the same names from jazz/rock/r&b projects showing up on earlier rap credits for engineering and production add-ons. Those guys from the 80's and 90's diversified themselves to get rich and it's about to recycle again cause thats gonna be the ploy to set themselves back from the normal. Look at what DangerMouse just did with selling a blank CD for the listener to go back to the internet and burn there pirated copy of the album instead of it being on the CD itself... That project did almost 100,000 cd's. Why? Cause it was unique as it comes and proved how that alone will see units of music already in hand. Don't forget that the game is still a game and no road can force a way of action.If you sell a CD with a unique acess code to a website for purchases only then the fear of loss will sell you alot of unit just off that alone if you have a single to sell the idea. I'm just say'n, the clever will always survive.
 
most people here don't have a clue on what they are doing. they need to fall back and prepare. do your homework, learn the craft, the business and the game before you go to war. No soldier would ever go into battle with no gear, no plan, no ammo. and the industry is war. just a very delicate war.

word...

but for the people that don't know the craft, business, and game, where is the best place to start? books? school? trial and error?
 
word...

but for the people that don't know the craft, business, and game, where is the best place to start? books? school? trial and error?
all the above but nowadays you gotta read while driving to the next hood to sell your cd between semesters with your best intentions regardless if the stickup boys get you for that days take... Nothings without risk... atleast stuff worth having.
 
I think it'll be hard to completly see your views unless time can be jumped and i can come back to this thread but your ideas sound very realistic i must say. BUT, with the mom-n-pop label game having a second breath of air music sales and vids etc. will probably get the HULU treatment. Think back to The Box and how YouTube took that and made it in real-time. Think back to posters and album cover reading that made OG's go crazy when they saw the same names from jazz/rock/r&b projects showing up on earlier rap credits for engineering and production add-ons. Those guys from the 80's and 90's diversified themselves to get rich and it's about to recycle again cause thats gonna be the ploy to set themselves back from the normal. Look at what DangerMouse just did with selling a blank CD for the listener to go back to the internet and burn there pirated copy of the album instead of it being on the CD itself... That project did almost 100,000 cd's. Why? Cause it was unique as it comes and proved how that alone will see units of music already in hand. Don't forget that the game is still a game and no road can force a way of action.If you sell a CD with a unique acess code to a website for purchases only then the fear of loss will sell you alot of unit just off that alone if you have a single to sell the idea. I'm just say'n, the clever will always survive.

I agree with you and I know where you are coming from (and where you are going with your argument).

funny that you mention DangerMouse. I've been told recently by an MTV guy from Europe to check out that cool new album by "Minty Fresh Beats" mixing Radiohead with Jay Z's black album. you know where the "focus group" got that information from? MTV's website. so an FP member became "relevant" in Italy, Germany or the UK...........because a media conglomerate decided to "honour" his work.

feel me? most of us have the access to the technology to create a comparable product. I think we are over that point in the discussion. so what I'm asking is (see the "edit" in my last post). now that PEOPLE know how to produce and promote "for free"..........how did that affect the actual OUTPUT on the mainstream level? and we talk about "access" and "fragmentation" all the time. it just doesn't happen. there are more players on the field, yes, but there is still one ball and two baskets.

we don't have to go into the future and then back. we can project the outcome of former eras (of specific genres or music in general) on the New Media Order. and my scepticism (or rather, as you said, "being realistic") is coming from reviewing the past. there was Motown, Punk, Electro/Hip Hop and different "cultures" emerged from that. now there's Myspace, Youtube & Ustream. but what did REALLY change? and what do YOU think is about to change that will allow the "entry level" guys to play their game, like they were used to do: namely, out of the trunk and on the stage. because, if it could've been done, it would've been done. so some part of the equation is missing. and I'm sceptic, thinking again that it's either MONEY, or MTV around the world TELLING you to check out Minty Fresh's album.
 
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Ownership ALWAYS control the money, what you mean is take ownership of the ACCESS!!!!!!


ACCESS + OWNERSHIP =
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^^^lol
access is really the hurdle if u claim ownership of ur music... i agree but thats Drake-able if ur more powerful then there used to dealing with. Those kinda deals are reserved for the guys smart enuff to avoid them until your able to tell them to come with THERE A game like Master P was able to do. You acn say Cashmoney for life cause as an independant they have enuff money to put out a album every 3 months for the next 20 yrs...(can't remember where I read that but someone figured it out when they were wondering why there being so RocaFella-ish).
 
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Books: everything about the music business, everything. Books on just business. Books on strategy. Books on wars. books on relationships. Books on philosophy. Books on history. books on everything that might be useful. My favorite book is called "The Book of 5 rings" by Miyamoto Musashi. Books are not doctrine, take pieces from them and allow them to fit you.

OTHER PEOPLE: just simple observation. sometime questions. But watching people is the best thing. I study people, I really do. I read people. I can tell if some one is bullshting before they say a word. I watch their posture, eyes, hands, stance, lips. these things speak louder than their words, you just got to learn how to listen. learn form people at your level or one up. don't try to learn personally from some one way above you. one step at a time. also the music industry is just like high school. just like it.

BY DOING AND FAILING OR SUCCEEDING. make many mistakes when you are just starting, if you screw up you can't fall. but when you start to climb, falling can kill your career.

SCHOOL Workshops seminars, etc. anytime you are able to get near someone who is more experienced do it, learn from them. even if it is for a few hour.

Your normal life, I'm from chicago. i was homeless when i graduated high school. I learned how to hustle very well, very well. I later was in the army, I learn how to manipulate systems from them. Take what you learn in your life, and apply it to this

internet: I'm giving you advise right here, on the net.
 
the streets: the streets talk, sometimes yell, sometimes cry. learn from your community
 
Niggas gotta get past thinking they need a piggie backride to get across the river.

word...

i kinda think that reality tv shows (making the band, american idol, america's got talent) help REINFORCE the idea that "getting a deal" / getting "discovered" is the "best / proven" way of "getting across the river"

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