I give you these TEN "NEWBIE" COMMANDMENTS

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Good post indeed, but why not reffer the newbies to a college or study program, where they will learn all this, i did...i learnt even more than i hoped...and most of it was because the college helped me to realise, if you do your own bit of research on the things that will benifit you then you will go a long way...that it has!

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Awesome Post!

Hey man, I hope you get a chance to read this.

I'm not currently a producer, but I've learned a lot from my friend who is majoring in music production here at Ohio University. He's taught me a lot about using Adobe programs for things.

That's not why I'm replying tho. I'm a very big online business addict and I major in Online Advertising and Social Media, and after reading your post it compelled me to register for the site so I could comment and I hope you read this.

I just want to say that those guidelines are perfect for not only music production, but for entering any industry or niche whether it is online or offline and those who are new are often discouraged and don't reach their potential because they don't follow these same rules.

This was a great thing to see on the first music production site that I've ever visited and I'm glad I read your post. Goodluck in everything you're involved in and I wish you all the best. Great post!

-D Rich
 
DRich23 said:
Hey man, I hope you get a chance to read this.

I'm not currently a producer, but I've learned a lot from my friend who is majoring in music production here at Ohio University. He's taught me a lot about using Adobe programs for things.

That's not why I'm replying tho. I'm a very big online business addict and I major in Online Advertising and Social Media, and after reading your post it compelled me to register for the site so I could comment and I hope you read this.

I just want to say that those guidelines are perfect for not only music production, but for entering any industry or niche whether it is online or offline and those who are new are often discouraged and don't reach their potential because they don't follow these same rules.

This was a great thing to see on the first music production site that I've ever visited and I'm glad I read your post. Goodluck in everything you're involved in and I wish you all the best. Great post!

-D Rich

Thank You Very Much
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I already read this before but today I decided to read all 9 pages. A lot of good advices from different users, props to all of you.
 
QUIXSAND said:
Exactly. You newbies really gotta want it and stop lookin for somebody to hold your hands. Go to the end of the earth and use logic and common sense to find answers before asking us.

the internet has a plethora of research tools. The main one is the Google search bar. Use that and you may even learn something to teach the old heads.

Guys like Krushing, Mano, LevLove and other knowledgable regulars to this site still have a lot to learn too and find it hard to grow on here when they have to keep stopping on level one to give remedial tutorials that are common sense questions.

So bottom line is NO, we will not take it easy on newbs. If you don't understand the basics or don't want to read and learn on your own then learn needlepoint or take a pottery class.

This aint't the field/hobby for you!


Aw come on!!! That was pretty rough to say!! That's HOW one learns BY ASKING AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE, NO QUESTION IS A DUMB QUESTION!! Just b/c a question seems basic to a guru, it will def. not seem basic to a newb!! I think the problem is alot of gurus are too impatient with the newbs, that's not fair.

I am a newb myself and one thing I know is that i'm not lazy about learning my craft. I will be a nusiance though and ask mad questions for that fact exactly, i'm not lazy!! I think it also depends on the type of learner you are. Not everybody does good with reading manuals, some people are hands on or verbal learners.

I just don't think it's fair to come down on the newb's so hard, everybody needs that close "mentorship" in the beginning. I think the mere fact that someones even asking questions shows their interest right there. I damn sure ain't asking questions about something I don't care about!!

youngjboy said:
There should be a basic producer's test before newbies are allowed full posting rights. In today's day and age, there is too much info around to have to explain to some retard exactly what midi is and what quantization is about after they spent over $2000 on a MPC and they refuse to read for themselves.

That's not cool! That's like telling someone they should take a "test" first before they take a class to learn a foreign language to see if they're "qualified" :confused: ! I'm pretty sure there are online tools to help you learn a foreign language, but it's nothing like a real teacher that can interact with you.

This is my first day on here as a newb and i really don't feel comfortable after reading about 3 post from some of the producers here. I came here to learn and yes i will do some investigating of my own, but i would feel ashame to ask a question here and that shouldn't be. Alot of the post i've read seem cocky. Wasn't the last commandment about being humble?????

I know i'll probably get alot of heat from you guys on here being a girl, but remember, in the Lion kingdom, its the Lioness that does the hunting!! I have no problem with being proactive and learning new concepts on my own, may take me longer but i won't stop!

And when i do matriculate and gain an advance level of knowledge about producing, i'll be more than happy to assist the newb's!

BTW - The post was overall a good post and I DEFINITELY APPRECIATED IT AS A NEWB! I just didn't care for some of the co-signers!

dansgold said:
Hardly. There are plenty of questions so stupid they should NEVER be asked.


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On Point Post Big Brotha! Thx!

Lil Sistah She Produces:
I'm sorry you feel the responses of our more experienced forum members are; "Not Fair!" But your arguments only galvanize our arguements.

You talk about being mentored, tutored or taught. But the bottom line is any good teacher will tell you, they'd rather teach an "Apt Pupil", one who utilizes independent thought, thoughtful reasoning and yes even "Common Sense." "Future Producing" by in large is a solitary pursuit. Many producers are at home as I speak/type building the next great Rock Power Ballad, Hip Hop Anthem or Techno Cult Classic. What Big Bro and others are trying to tell New Future Producers is:

Do the Foot Work Damn it!!

You invoked the "Thou Shalt be Humble" commandment, to supposedly point out the "Where's the Humility In Speaking Down to Newbies" argument. However, I humbly remind you that veteran Future Producers have been answering the same inane questions, about the same topics ad nauseum for years, literally years. You have to appreciate our humanity; it becomes extremely tiresome at times. We are not without empathy however; hence "The Newbie Commandments", we were after all Newbies once ourselves. Many of us long before forums such as this one existed. So we had to learn all the nuances of Midi and Pro Audio speak on our own.

And finally Young Lioness, we do appreciate that many Newbies do actually have the desire to learn new concepts and expand their music vocab. But honey, there are so many that don't.


PEACE!
 
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I think there is a lil true to every post in this thread,
the fact is I dont mind asking a so called "stupid question" but thats only if I have exhausted every sole resource I have to answer the question on my own. I have been in this forum literally for two days and Im already learning more than expected, I ve been trying to produce for a while, I got love for Hip Hop and everything that involves it, the reason Im trying to produce is to be able to make Hip Hop music as a whole, not just rap, or just produce, Im 360 in this, unfortunetly I dont have resources as many of you due to the fact that i live in a third world country, but I can promise you I will exhaust every single one to be able to get it done and make the best beat ever. But its a never ending process of learning, thats why I odnt look down on people that ask so called "stupid questions," the manual are a pain in the ass, I am a hands on learner, but I DO read the manuals, if is simply dont get I WILL ask that "stupid question."

There is no reason to patronize a newby, we all are a newby in one aspect or another of our lives.

Cheyo
 
I've been blasting sysytems for 10 years and I only got a slight ringing in my ears and "only" when there is no sound around. For me the rigning just blends bad notes together. If you want to play your music loud, then play it LOUD!!! end of story.
 
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nah men... Bect Producer Eber, homie, that ish is clinically proven, you're probably not deaf now, or not experimenting any simptoms, but you probably will in the near future, you do have to take care of your ears, abrupt temp. changes affect them to, b/c of the pressure
 
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Great article. This is the stuff people need to take to heart. Reading manuals cannot be stressed enough. Especially software manuals, they're full of examples, tips, and helpful ideas.
 
dansgold said:
Hardly. There are plenty of questions so stupid they should NEVER be asked.

Absolutely, with one caveat:

There is such a thing as a stupid question. However; The fool is the one who doesn't ask, if he can't find the answer. Occasionally, it might behoove the power posters to point to the answer, maybe with a link to a thread containing the guidance required for the poster's problem, rather than just to flame the poster. This will help the growth of the community and make this a great place for newbs to come to.

I would draw your attention to the header of the advanced post page, which states:

Please resist the urge to curse, flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post. We encourage the free flow of your ideas, but believe that they can be communicated (and received) much more effectively if you keep things civil. If you have to vent, take it offline. We carefully monitor posts and will ban individuals who engage in offensive conduct within the forums. Thanks

I actually vote that the really serious content of this thread is extracted, leaving the props and cosigns behind, and compiled as a read me for the registration page. There is much good guidance contained within that could be really useful for new members.

I would also think about adding to this some guidance for using the forum search facility. I have just been advising someone on another forum about this very thing. He used search terms that were far too complex to be useful in a simple forum search engine and he consequently struggled to get useful answers. Keep your search terms simple and keep the word count down, and your searches will be more fruitful. For example (the one I just encountered), if you are having trouble with the score fonts in Cubase, don't use things like "cubase fonts changed", use "font". Always use the KISS approach to such things and you will get results. This is also true of music production in general. Often times the complicated or complex solution will give you unexpected results and, more often than not, affect the quality of your music/mixes.

I would love to see posts from newbs that say things like, "I tried using the forum search facility to find some info on Cubase fonts, but I was unsuccesful. Can anybody help me to find the info I need?"

It must always be remembered by the power posters (not that I constitute such in this place) that a) the answers seem obvious to us, because we know something of what we are talking about. b) The key to learning of any kind is the right points of reference, which is to say that, when the terms are based on what the user can understand, he will learn quicker. Recording audio is a complex subject, and very daunting to a beginner. There are many issues that must be understood. c) The new members we coach now are the power posters of the future. Let's not scare them away.

That was for the power posters

I should also say that the first place to look for the best info is the "recommended books" thread. I am aware that many peeps are not easily given to book-learning, but books are the easiest, quickest route to understanding the concepts that are discussed herein. I also realise that sometimes it's difficult to understand what you read in a book in real terms, but there are many of us here who are willing to take the time to find the right route to your understanding. I am certain that peeps like Moses, Dansgold, Dvyce, Krushing, et al, would rather spend their time answering questions like, "I have read up on the principles of compression, but I don't understand what a knee is..." than, "how do I make my beatz bang?", especially since the latter has been discussed ad nauseum.

Of course, we can never get to the point where all the questions are interesting to those users, but we must be willing to make an effort. I try to be very patient with newbs, but even I, with the patience of a saint, get bored with answering questions about why you can't hear your click track and why your MIDI is recorded early. A little mutual respect and consideration is required.

To summarise:

Newbs! Ask yourself if your question has been asked.

Power posters! Ask yourself if the question has been answered in understandable terms to someone who hasn't got the core principles ingrained.

All! have a good one!


Peace,

Tony
 
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BigBrotherMotown said:

  • Thou Shalt “RESIST THE URGE TO BUY ON IMPULSE”
  • Thou Shalt “BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS" (SALES PEOPLE)



Yea....sales people got my a**

and i copped a 2k mp bc i thought it would look cool.

took it back same day.

DA F*CK was i thinking.
 
You forgot the most important commandment,

THY SHALT LEARN THE ART OF SONGWRITING

Also, changing your font colour might actually make the rest of your thread a tad more readable.

Just a thought.
 
Bect Producer Eber said:
I've been blasting sysytems for 10 years and I only got a slight ringing in my ears and "only" when there is no sound around. For me the rigning just blends bad notes together. If you want to play your music loud, then play it LOUD!!! end of story.

No. The most important bit of equipment you have is your ears, and they must be looked after. I would bet my house and my business that the upper reaches of your hearing are depleted. I have looked after my ears, and I can't hear beyond about 17 KHz. Playing music loud will quicken the depletion. The fact that you get tinitus only reinforces my belief that your hearing has suffered damage, as this is one of the major indicators of hearing loss. This is clinically proven and totally beyond dispute. Ignore this at your peril.
 
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