Do you think producers who use loops are lazy?

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Copying and pasting is lazy and super uncreative... Any variation thereof shows some originality but from scratch shows complete talent level
 
ObiK said:
No. I think producers who finish songs are awesome. Doesn't matter what they used to make it. All I care about is whether the song sounds good or bad.
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True, I agree 100%.

Some people like myself also like loops and chop them up and sample them. Its all about what you do with it. Polow Da Don even uses loops and he knows how to make platinum winning songs from scratch. If it sounds good, then use it. Stop worrying about what the next man/woman is doing.

Honestly, the only person that would know its a loops is other producers. Most artists wouldn't care even if they did know. And the average joe/listener is definently not going to know.. So who cares.
 
I think if you have managed to use a loop/some loops in a track without it sounding like you've used loops then that's a good thing. Sometimes it's difficult to make a loop sit into the mix because it has been compressed or had other effects applied to it which don't then work in my mix... I find room reverb often applied to many loops which make them almost unusable on most occasions. I also find that of a pack of maybe 100 loops I will only find one or 2 which I would consider using. Free ones are especially sparse...

I have asked a simialr question in a different thread about the quality of loops and how easy or difficult it is to use loops without sounding like you've cobbled together a 'music by numbers' type of piece... (as an aside I think some music leans toward that kind of sound anyway which would work in the producer's favour). I also wonder whether the loops you get in the packs are of a lower quality than the makers would have access to... for example, the Free Masons loop pack - if you were a leading dance music producer, would you allow your contemporaries access to your best loops hits and synth sounds for $49.99?

Where possible I try to avoid loops but I'm using a lot of midi instruments which are predominantly samples (and synths) just not in a groove. I might start a project using loops and keep adding to it and then take the loop out leaving a loop shaped hole which can work nicely on occassion.

I think it's a nice discussion because producers of different genres will certainly have different takes on the concept. Certainly hip hop prducers would be all over it if you included sampling...

cheers
 
I don't mind much. Whatever sounds goood to the ear is what matters. From a listener's standpoint, it doesn't matter. From a producer's standpoint....yeah it kind of matters, but it's just that person's style of producing. Whatever helps them, know what I'm sayin'?
 
Imo, the stupid part isnt that so many producers do use loops.
The stupid part is that even knowing that, many people see no difference between the guy using a folder of 808 drums and a producerloops pack, and a guy creating his own melodies, recording drums, hiring players, singers, etc.

deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
IMO it's no different than a producer calling in a drummer, guitarist, keyboardist, or symphony to play over his song.
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Not only are you a mod, but you have been here since back inna day, so there is no way I believe you believe that.

Do you see how that is crazy offensive to musicians who play instruments?
It is as if you are saying that a live instrumental player brings nothing more or less to the table than a canned loop, and so a producer should not be 'looked down on' any different for either of them.
Maybe I got you wrong.
 
"Yeah, I'm so devastated that producer X doesn't like the way I make music". Said by NO ONE (that has sold beats, released hot records, felt at least some mild success) EVER.
 
Its all preference and again, all that matters is the end result. Is this song good or not?
 
odinnshred said:
I agree with this, but when calling in a drummer, guitarist, keyboardist or symphony orchestra 99 times out of 100 the producer would write/arrange what's being played. If not, then the track should be credited like "Blah blah blah song - Blah band, with Blah-drums and Blah-chestra)".

EDM producers using loops would credit their tracks "This track - This producer (feat. a better producer from primeloops who made the drum loops)".

I'm not trying to be a music fascist but I think credit should always be given where its due. A producer shouldn't be credited as the exclusive writer/composer if they're just arranging stuff made by other people. Maybe I'm thinking about this too much as a composer but this is just how I feel about this.
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i haven't read everyone's comment but you are so right. i hate using someone's stuff and not crediting them for it. that's why i always direct people to the other artist via link.

anyways to the person asking the question about producers being lazy. YES!!! and no. for a long time i wondered how do these half-a55 DJs with their abc beats whip them up so fast. its because they're loop DJs. they're thing is DJing. not production. so we can rule them out entirely. then you have the producer who DJs. those guys can actually produce but they also sample as well. i know because i use the same stock sounds they use. looping is just another part of the game. i might use a simple loop and trick it out into my own because i love all the sounds that it comes with. but you'd never know unless i tell you. as for myself 99.999999999% of all my drum loops and melodies were made by me. i'm proud of my achievements even thought i haven't gotten any critically acclaimed recognition. because people who download my tracks and my peers seem to think i'm doing well. :-)

this is my only altered and sampled i have ever worked with so far. comes in at 5:26. wish i knew who did it though.
 
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I like these responses and opinions since I've been on holiday, are there any more from newer futureproducers?
 
It depends , you have people who got dope samples and melodies , but aint the best at drum patterns.
 
highkoo said:
Imo, the stupid part isnt that so many producers do use loops.
The stupid part is that even knowing that, many people see no difference between the guy using a folder of 808 drums and a producerloops pack, and a guy creating his own melodies, recording drums, hiring players, singers, etc.


Not only are you a mod, but you have been here since back inna day, so there is no way I believe you believe that.

Do you see how that is crazy offensive to musicians who play instruments?
It is as if you are saying that a live instrumental player brings nothing more or less to the table than a canned loop, and so a producer should not be 'looked down on' any different for either of them.
Maybe I got you wrong.
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So you're telling me that if I take a guitar or bongo loop from a loop library to add realism to a composition that is otherwise gonna sound keyboardy, it's not the same as calling someone to play guitar or bongo freehand over the track? That's the equivalent of saying getting your song mixed without being in the room is lazy. Only someone who's never done anything discussed would think otherwise.

I'd think alot of naysayers should be learning from this thread, they're just so bullheaded they'd rather have generic keyboardy sounding shyt than to take advantage of tools made available so that your sound is more polished and professional without needing sample clearance.

And if you're that against it, you should have a guitar and a few bowed instruments as well as a drumset you can play or players on deck 24/7 or have invested in an amazingly convincing sampler library and be able to play accordingly. It's what most of y'all's sound is missing.

Even groups like Tool, Linkin Park, Paramore, and Maroon 5 have used loops to better a production. Why should we pretend we're above it? That's that elitist "do it all yourself" attitude that will ultimately separate your sound from others in a bad way.
 
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to answer the original guestion, i dont think its lazy in all situations. some people might not be good at certain aspects of music and prefer to use loops. if all you do is put different loops together then yes thats lame and lazy.


reason i dont use loops is because i dont want my music to sound like everyone else's. everything i do is original. i rarely use presets and when i do i heavily modify them and change them.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I'd think alot of naysayers should be learning from this thread, they're just so bullheaded they'd rather have generic keyboardy sounding shyt than to take advantage of tools made available so that your sound is more polished and professional without needing sample clearance.
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Not all producers are condemned to making "generic keyboardy sounding shyt" without using loops. Some producers are good, and surely its best to encourage an increase in skill and creativity rather than purchasing stuff other people have done. There are forums out there to help producers improve their skills. There's this one I particularly like called futureproducers.com.
 
There are several instruments I can't play or manipulate my fingers to play out...like th guitar...I invested lots of money into guitar and string loops.nobody can tell...now using whole construction kits.....well if all you use is construction kits how can u call yourself a producer
 
odinnshred said:
Not all producers are condemned to making "generic keyboardy sounding shyt" without using loops. Some producers are good, and surely its best to encourage an increase in skill and creativity rather than purchasing stuff other people have done. There are forums out there to help producers improve their skills. There's this one I particularly like called futureproducers.com.
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Cute how you cut my post to convenience a response. Shyt you left out....

"And if you're that against it, you should have a guitar and a few bowed instruments as well as a drumset you can play or players on deck 24/7 or have invested in an amazingly convincing sampler library and be able to play accordingly. It's what most of y'all's sound is missing."

We're talking to average joe musician. If you aren't him, you're doing everything to disable a need of live sounds that can be aquired thru loops. Don't play dumb like that wasn't established in what I said for the sake of arguing because you can't admit you're halfreading my posts. :cheers:
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
Even groups like Tool, Linkin Park, Paramore, and Maroon 5 have used loops to better a production. Why should we pretend we're above it? That's that elitist "do it all yourself" attitude that will ultimately separate your sound from others in a bad way.
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Best thing in this thread, these groups aren't making music for other producers to listen to. Tool, Linkin Park, Paramore and Maroon 5 all have MASSIVE fan bases in which would not recognize that part of the song comes from "Big Fish Audio" (not sure on the exact reference but wanted something). All they care about is that the song sounds good, if this means using a loop from some sample pack then so be it. The LOOP does not make the SONG.
 
Absolutely. Takes talent out of the equation. I hate how beatmaking has become so accessible & "easy" (for garbage beatmakers, which are the majority).
 
I play piano and understand music theory farely well i'd say and IMHO I find that making a nice smooth track out of samples is a lot more challenging. Obviously if you just used one loop for the whol song it would be garbage but sampling from many different tracks and meshing them together to make bangers is challenging
 
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