DaOriginalBlade
You're Forgiven
Nusery rhymes, created for a mid-teen female audience... so worthless to the educated mind of grown folk.
It bang in da club tho...
It bang in da club tho...
cntspitfiya
New member
according to nitti in the new scratch magazine, he has yet to show his full musical abilities. maybe he is dumbing down? who knows, all I know is yes, it does bang in the clubs, and its main audience is teenage girls. thats ok though.
Vote Jai
Dean of Students
I swear niggas think they're american idol judges sometimes. This man (Nitti) makes $50k a beat. He has to be doing something right! Now you can blame that on the state of hip-hop or not. But if he's able to do it, maybe some of you should step your game up (or down) and make something happen. It shouldn't be hard to bump Nitti from his spot since he's "whack"! I don't understand how some of ya'll plan to eat with these attitudes towards music. I'm not totally satisfied with Hip-hop right now either but damn, I'm tryin to eat. We all love music, and I'm sure more than 90% of us aren't pleased with it's current condition. But if cats can sit here and diss Nitti (who's puttin' in work right now) and say he doesn't have any talent, then maybe some of you should re-evaluate your own musical ability because it's not gettin you $50K per track. I understand that internet forums are gonna be like this. But FP isn't really like these other sites. There's more to it than just a bunch of music fans. Most of us are considering and persuing a career in music production. If you take your career serious, you wouldn't spend so much time doggin cats like Nitti who have their hand in the pot already. He was like us at one point. Or maybe that's why ya'll are mad?? It's cool to have an opinion, but I've noticed niggas on here who religiously post negative shyt about producers and rappers on a daily. That's when it's called HATIN...you dedicated? Do you wanna hate or hustle?
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DaOriginalBlade
You're Forgiven
But what does that say about us now that we've reached a point where we are SUPPOSED to dumb down. Where we have to make CRAP to sell. Where being smart isn't cool and bein a dumb ass coon is embraced??
I guarantee you, if these same tunes Nitty are knockin out were posted here... everybody would bash it. But since it's gettin spins, everyone has to jump to the first justifiable means to defend it.
It's bigger than hip hop now, it's the society and our whole society is phucked... America is phucked... our ideals and priorities are completely twisted. Which has a direct impact on the music. I mean really, what logical sense does it make for me to purposefully make music I know in my heart is bad... for me to take away from any skills I have (not sayin I'm a Kanye or anything)... but still? Niggas act like it's a guarantee now... and it's not... who do you KNOW?? Exactly. "Yo son, I made this beat last nite... it is ASS yo... club gon love this... it sounds just like that Nitti gahbage... I bet the world I can make 50 Gz off this". It just don't work that way... people gon laugh at you.
The thing is everybody is far too concerned with eating off music, what are your chances tho?? I'm not tryin to discourage anyone, be it my decision I would put several cats from this site on. But facts are facts. Just do what you do, quit focusin so much on what everyone likes... the trend changes damn near bi-monthly. Make what YOU like, who knows... it might catch on. But for god sakes, do NOT dumb down... being dumb is NOT cool... I don't care what image these cats try to potray to you. Ya, Jay is worth 300 mil or so... but Gates and Buffet are worth billions. The smart guy isn't relyin on just music as a means of success.
Take a note from Lupe, say whatever the hell you want about him not bangin in the club... or not gettin as many spins as your favorite coon. But he is eatin off this music... all the while making the music HE wants to make.
Think about... nah phuck it, just dumb down...
I guarantee you, if these same tunes Nitty are knockin out were posted here... everybody would bash it. But since it's gettin spins, everyone has to jump to the first justifiable means to defend it.
It's bigger than hip hop now, it's the society and our whole society is phucked... America is phucked... our ideals and priorities are completely twisted. Which has a direct impact on the music. I mean really, what logical sense does it make for me to purposefully make music I know in my heart is bad... for me to take away from any skills I have (not sayin I'm a Kanye or anything)... but still? Niggas act like it's a guarantee now... and it's not... who do you KNOW?? Exactly. "Yo son, I made this beat last nite... it is ASS yo... club gon love this... it sounds just like that Nitti gahbage... I bet the world I can make 50 Gz off this". It just don't work that way... people gon laugh at you.
The thing is everybody is far too concerned with eating off music, what are your chances tho?? I'm not tryin to discourage anyone, be it my decision I would put several cats from this site on. But facts are facts. Just do what you do, quit focusin so much on what everyone likes... the trend changes damn near bi-monthly. Make what YOU like, who knows... it might catch on. But for god sakes, do NOT dumb down... being dumb is NOT cool... I don't care what image these cats try to potray to you. Ya, Jay is worth 300 mil or so... but Gates and Buffet are worth billions. The smart guy isn't relyin on just music as a means of success.
Take a note from Lupe, say whatever the hell you want about him not bangin in the club... or not gettin as many spins as your favorite coon. But he is eatin off this music... all the while making the music HE wants to make.
Think about... nah phuck it, just dumb down...
Vote Jai
Dean of Students
DaOriginalBlade said:
Of course everybody would bash it! When's the last time niggas on FP gave credit to anybody besides Timbaland, Dre, Jay-Z, Kanye or Nas??
Believe me, I feel your post from beginning to end. But it's also a business. There is a demand for the music that's popular right now (sadly) rather we like it or not. There's successful ways around that style of music. But really, Who's been busier than these 808 producers right now?? a lot of niggas stuck on that early 90s shyt are starving. I'm not justifying Nitti's success because he gets spins. I'm saying it appears that he's working harder than all of us, and apparently it's paying off cause he's chargin niggas $50K per track and THEY'RE PAYING!. You don't have to be like Nitti, he's just an example because this thread is about him. I'm saying, if you don't want to appeal to the audience, what are you doing? Unfortunately, this is the audience we have to make happy. Niggas want club music, trunk music, crunk music, fun music. Some of it might seem or even be ignorant, but hell, there's people that think Hip-Hop's ignorant all together. This thread prooves that you can't please everybody. But niggas like Nitti are staying full with the fans who love and support their music. I don't knock what you're saying at all player. I'm just looking at it like yo, I wanna eat until I explode, I don't wanna just take a bite. Even Dr. Dre slid to the 808 club shyt when he realized it was the shyt ("How We Do"). Scott Storch, The Neptunes. Do you wanna eat a meal, or cop a grilled ham and cheese?
Niggas are eating off hip-hop because they spent years doing it for the "love of the music." They've been hungry, they've struggled trying to get their foot in the door. Now they're in and they want it all. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
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preppypmp_82
God & The Streets
I wonder if Premier had produced "It's Going Down" or any other HIT SONG that Nitti has produced, would folks still feel like it's garbage? Some of that s*** yall claim is fire sounds like a nigga beating on trash cans, but ya'll be feelin it. I just don't know.
cntspitfiya
New member
^lol, because its "street".
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
New member
Timbaland and Storch make the same sh*t and people think it's genious. How different is "It's going down" from "sexy back" or "run it"...All the same club sh*t.preppypmp_82 said:
clarhck5
New member
timaland can do no wrong as far as fp is concerned.i bet if he would have done going down it would hace been called "creative".
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preppypmp_82
God & The Streets
^ That's what i'm saying. So is the general consensus problem with Nitti himself, or the tracks that he creates? Stop hating and get it in.
Vote Jai
Dean of Students
preppypmp_82 said:
Exactly!
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kingace
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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
If Young Joc, or any other rapper didn't have a catchy hook on one of Nitty's beats, rap their corny lyrics threw out the whole beat, and the single was recorded low, he would have to pay the DJ $2000 every week to play the song one time in the club. He's only hot because of rappers with no skills but catchy hooks. Similar to Whoop There It IS by Tag Team. I give him props only because he's a young dude who got lucky. To the unfamous, nonchart hittin cats on FP, you wanna get "FAMOUS" like Nitty
, make hit records like Nitty
, move to the ATL and hollar at "ANY" young cat between the age of 16 and 21, while listeners are still ammune to this type of music. All you need is some heavy 808, cryspy ticks, and a train horn. They will spend they whole check on a beat like that hear. Once it hit the club, A&Rs feel what the drunk people in the club respond to. You might get lucky and have a one hit wonder track for Bad Boy, no hatin just real talk. That's the game as it is now. Keep in mind, "Knuck If you Buck" is like a memory, but bread was broke. It took HitMan Sammy Sam to come out with "StepDaddy" to get reconized, while Kanye West, who somebody hated on earlier, has two classic albums that "he" created, Dre Dre has two albums and about to kill the game automaticly with his third. Just somethin to think deeply about. Best of luck to all yall. See you at the top.
Vote Jai
Dean of Students
kingace said:If Young Joc, or any other rapper didn't have a catchy hook on one of Nitty's beats, rap their corny lyrics threw out the whole beat, and the single was recorded low, he would have to pay the DJ $2000 every week to play the song one time in the club. He's only hot because of rappers with no skills but catchy hooks. Similar to Whoop There It IS by Tag Team. I give him props only because he's a young dude who got lucky. To the unfamous, nonchart hittin cats on FP, you wanna get "FAMOUS" like Nitty
Keep in mind, "Knuck If you Buck" is like a memory, but bread was broke. It took HitMan Sammy Sam to come out with "StepDaddy" to get reconized, while Kanye West, who somebody hated on earlier, has two classic albums that "he" created, Dre Dre has two albums and about to kill the game automaticly with his third. Just somethin to think deeply about. Best of luck to all yall. See you at the top.
I don't think he was lucky. Nitti might've been lucky enough to get the opportunity he did (or not because none of us really know what he's been through to get where he is). But you don't go from chargin whatever, to $50K a beat. Luck doesn't carry you that far. And as far as Kanye and Dr Dre's work goes: Around here, those 2 niggas win by default. IMO College Dropout was classic, but not Late Registration. And Dre drops an album every other decade! But I will be coppin Detox in Dec. 2009. And how melodic or complex are Dre's beats really? His shyt's pretty simple too. And Kanye's only sounds complex because his melodies are of somebody else's work. Maybe you're right, maybe if niggas didn't have a catchy hook, they would have to pay DJs to spin em'...But it didn't happen like that. Niggas didn't buy New Joc City for lyricism, they bought it for the trunk. I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying it's got a purpose. And DJs ain't playin much else in the club.
kingace
New member
preppypmp_82 said:
Garbage is garbage. What's not garbage is when you gain respect bicoastally. Nitty aint loved up north like he is in the south, alot of people don't know who Premier is in the south. I came up in the old school where producers weren't after being a big name in a fake rap industry. The producers on "On The Outside Lookin In by" 8ball and MJG, who know they name, but the album is still sellin, well, gettin downloaded.
With me, it's not a beat that makes a song, or the rapper dislpayin lyrics over a beat. It's the total package. Why does rap pretty much suck now, because of Pro Tools. I have a love/hate relationship wtih PT. Nitty makes a track, T.I is eating at Gladace Knight's Chicken and Whaffles, T.I has an idea for a club song, Nitty pops up in his head, he gets in contact with Nitty, Nitty say I got 4,529 tracks that you can choose from
, T.I likes a perticular track and asks him to send the session over, bread is broken, and T.I raps over an already formatted beat and it hits the club, the rest is history. All anybody on here needs is a beat, any beat, with an L7 rapper on it, but make sure you have a catchy hook. You wanna tell your life story as a mass murderer robbin Columbians for keys and shyt
, don't rap over a Nitty beat. You wanna Lie about how many $300,000 cars that Diddy ain't even got, how you're L7 azz is pimpin hooeez, or how you about that money, throw a couple of lines in there about whatcha drankin and smokin on and ask for Nitty to come to your rescue.It's like Algebra, multiply two negitives and what do you get, IT'S GOIN DOWN.
Vote Jai said:
All it takes is to be hot one time, and you can charge whatever you want. Yeah it was either he had a masterplan to get to where he's at, or either luck. This is not me hatin, it's just real. A song is not just the beat a producer make, but the finished product with an artist on it. Lets say you got a beat with rapper on it. The rappers lyrics are wack but you got a synth line that he made a hook to. You sold him the beat for $500 plus. He plays it in the club and now Cam'ron asked the Dj about the rapper. Now, he signs a deal and the song is not only playin in the local club, but all over bicoastally. How much are "YOU" gonna charge this new artist who sign with Dipset wh just got a $300,000 sign bonus. He's feenin for one or you tracks and wants to make it a single. Surely not $500, not even $1000. Your in the "Big Leagues" now. You've been enter in the draft and picked all because of luck. You can have all the knowledge about the rap game, but it's gonna take some hustlin, luck, or both to make it to the big leagues. Nitty was lucky, point blank.
About Kanye, he takes other melodies and create a song out of it. To me, I would rather hear Nitty in the club, and Kanye at home or my office. weither he's sampling or not, he conducts those samples with perfection. I don't like "The Documentary" by Game, but, Kanye did his thing on dreams. I can chill with that playin while I'm talkin with my people bout bettering my business, not any of Nitty's beats.
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clarhck5
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people thing everything is luck.people will blame everything except there self for not being successfull.complaining is at an all time high on this site and hustling is at an all time low.i wonder how it is that everyone thinks everyone that got on they dont like got lucky?i dont understand this thinking.i guess luck makes people buy your music too.smh
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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So KingAce, Where's your beats? Where's your Bad Boy placements? It's so easy, right. What's the difference between going from making "real hip hop" to making club bangers vs. real hip hop to slow jams. One's to dance to and pull a chick, one's to f**k to.
Morals don't feed my kids, I'll do whatever beat you want if you paying. I'm at the 5-10k status. I wouldn't be here if I stuck to the dark hood sh*t I'm known for. Get it or don't, but don't judge us for taking option b if you chose a. That's all it is, you must know something we don't.
My problem is, people who point out that others are wack are conforming to their own insecurities. You could say someone like K-Os is wack, even Lupe, numbers will back that, but if Nitty's selling 10 times ya favorite artists, getting 20 time the airplay, you should realize all you have is an opinion that he sux.
And everyone has an opinion on everything. I don't like his music personally, but if you don't understand why it worked for him, but not for Sammy Sam with "StepDaddy". Or why "Knuck if you Buck" is history(The same way as "Kick Push" which was here less than 6 months ago), you will never make it in this business, and that's fact.
Kanye understood the game enough to change it. Don't forget he did that great club anthem "H to the Izzo". Don't forget Timbo and Storch are using those Synths and 808s now. But I guess everyone's wrong but you? Keep windowshopping and hoop dreaming, "see you at the top" indeed. LOL.
Morals don't feed my kids, I'll do whatever beat you want if you paying. I'm at the 5-10k status. I wouldn't be here if I stuck to the dark hood sh*t I'm known for. Get it or don't, but don't judge us for taking option b if you chose a. That's all it is, you must know something we don't.
My problem is, people who point out that others are wack are conforming to their own insecurities. You could say someone like K-Os is wack, even Lupe, numbers will back that, but if Nitty's selling 10 times ya favorite artists, getting 20 time the airplay, you should realize all you have is an opinion that he sux.
And everyone has an opinion on everything. I don't like his music personally, but if you don't understand why it worked for him, but not for Sammy Sam with "StepDaddy". Or why "Knuck if you Buck" is history(The same way as "Kick Push" which was here less than 6 months ago), you will never make it in this business, and that's fact.
Kanye understood the game enough to change it. Don't forget he did that great club anthem "H to the Izzo". Don't forget Timbo and Storch are using those Synths and 808s now. But I guess everyone's wrong but you? Keep windowshopping and hoop dreaming, "see you at the top" indeed. LOL.
kingace
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clarhck5 said:
Timberland knows what beat will sound good with what Artist and won't sell his beats to just anybody. You can't compare a "REAL PRODUCER" to a beat maker. Nitty is a beat maker. He can't tell a rapper what personality to give a tracks or to say a certain fraise a certain way. Listen to the beat to Missy Elliot's "Hot Boyz" featurin Nas, Nitty's "It's Goin Down" beat was more complicated than that beat. It takes the knowledge of a "REAL PRODUCER" not a beat maker to make a simple beat make since. I'm far from a fan of Timberland, but when it comes to " PRODUCIN" the man is a genius. Timberland step in the game with a style to offer and grew with as the times went by. He "PRODuCES" tracks for R&B artist, Pop artist, Rap artist, or any artist. I can't see Nitty doing R&B yet. I beleive if he don't get in the phase of spendin money and B.Sn, he has the poteintal of doing "Big Big" thangs. Pastor Troy sucked as a beat maker when he first cam out. He had the same drum machine I had, but with him "PRODUCING" himself, and stickin with his craft, he developed himself into a known artist weither you like him or not, once again I'm not a fan of Pastor Troy, just an example. That's the difference in luck and hustle, luck will make you a one hit wonder, hustle will get you gold and platinum "ALBUMS" on your wall.
clarhck5
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how do you know about the creation of these songs if you werent there?for all you know nitti did the same thing your saying timberland does.your just making assumptions that you cant prove.
kingace
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clarhck5 said:
(1) Thje topic is " Opinions on Nitty, (2) Nitty will tell you himself just like Alot of other producers and artist it was luck, I hope I can find an interview with Nitty on it(3) I'm just now gettin to where I can consentrate on my craft because I waisted my time fuccin with a nicca I was cool with and we started a lable. Two heads ain't better than one, especially when both heads don't wanna be followers. He supplied the bread, I brought the butter bout to make toast and in the process I lost alot of shyt tring to make the company shine. You find out alot about people when you down and broke. I don't know about yall but I'd rather make my own money. Not doin beats but selling albums. I'm in the A where nicca downtown sellin shyt they pressed on their own computer, writing they info on the cd they self and selling 1000 of C.D hand to hand for $5 a piece. You heard me givin the nicca prop and givin an opinion, and advice because, even Nitty himself would say, people are gettin paid out here. Me, I don't work for no mahfukka. I got a sign business to run and in my spare time work on a track. I give advice and inspiration because Yall wonderin why these cats made it and I'm tellin you why. Do you read, not askin sarcasticly but it's alot of info out that can help you do whatever you want. I haven't begun to try my "LUCK" at sucess yet, Homey.
For the record, all in all, my opinion of Nitty right now is he's a FRUITY LOOP GANSTA, anybody on FB got poteintial if you stay on the grind, especial now. Their aint much time to buul;lshhit though.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I'm out, I'll type to you tomorrow. Too much for me to write, to little time. I Luv a smart azz, for I'm one too. You got the wrong impression about me. I can tell by everything you wrote.
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Vote Jai
Dean of Students
kingace said:
Here's the thing. Nitti doesn't make music for you to play while you're talkin with your people bout bettering your business. So is that why he's lucky? Is that why you're downing his material? Cause you can't sit in the tub and listen to it? Music either fits or sets a mood. Songs are only appropriate sometimes, but that doesn't change the quality of them. So if you made just one hot song, and you were able to charge niggas whatever you wanted, you wouldn't take advantage of that?? Would you say..."nahh man, my shyt's not of good enough quality to charge you $50K!" Of course you wouldn't. In fact, I'd almost bet money that you would charge more if you just produced a hit and you're single is the reason why an artist (Joc) is about to go Platinum.
And Kanye Loops (nothing wrong with that), there's not much to his process. He just sprinkles on those notorious bongos on a track and niggas dubb it a classic because Kanye USE to be serious about his music. I thought Kanye was the resurection of "GOOD" music too. But IMO, college Dropout went platinum, and that nigga died. Niggas are hanging on to the 03-04 Kanye West.
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