Why sample from vinyl???

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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I was just wondering why so many people feel it's nessesary to sample from vinyl. You sort of limit yourself in my opinion.

Vinyl's harder to come across, cost's more money(also have to purchase a turntable)and you have easier access to so many sources. Since getting into computer audio I sample from mp3s, CDs, DVDs, and TV, that covers way more ground than vinyls.

On top of that, most of you run your audio thru computer which sort of defeats the arguement that you like the vintage sound.
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soner or later you'll find out on your own and realize that you should've commited yourself to vinyl than cd's and downloading.
 
People like sampling from vinyl so they can find records that aren't available on the internet or on CDs. Digging is just too fun.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
On top of that, most of you run your audio thru computer which sort of defeats the arguement that you like the vintage sound.
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Not really, when sampling from vinyl you'll still get the warm sound and crackling and what not.
 
Diaz said:
People like sampling from vinyl so they can find records that aren't available on the internet or on CDs. Digging is just too fun.

Not really, when sampling from vinyl you'll still get the warm sound and crackling and what not.
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Thank you for making that sound so EASY. Sounds like someone is sampling ENVY!
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I almost forgot this is FP. Nobody's here to answer questions, are they?
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Stop blaming FP. It was your question...

"Why do people feel the need to sample exclusively from vinyl?"

Who are these people you speak of? 99.99% of people who sample will sample anything..the other .01% probably just have a work method with vinyl that works for them.

..then you go on to tell all the reasons sampling from vinyl is inferior to your methods...that's not asking a question, it's telling your opinion. And half of your premises about vinyl are wrong to begin with with regards to price, availibilty, and sound quality.

So you've already made up your mind, right? Believe me when I say those of us who buy records don't mind at all that most people don't bother with it.
 
Sorry mate but its time to dissect that post of yours, as your points aren't wholly valid. I appreciate you were asking the question though not telling us your opinion.

deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I was just wondering why so many people feel it's nessesary to sample from vinyl. You sort of limit yourself in my opinion.
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There are hundreds of thousands of records out there, no one is limited you will not run out of material. It is he same for MP3's, CD's, DVD's VHS even Betamax and 8tracks....well mabye not betamax.

deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
Vinyl's harder to come across, cost's more money(also have to purchase a turntable)and you have easier access to so many sources. Since getting into computer audio I sample from mp3s, CDs, DVDs, and TV, that covers way more ground than vinyls.
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Not a real arguement against vinyl, i have about 20 DVD's, virtually no CD's only watch scrubs but over 1000 records. This makes it easier for me to source samples from vinyl.

Also a record price is about the same as a CD, barring rarities, cheaper than a DVD and a turntable itself less than a TV + licence and equivalent to a DVD player. MP3's are ofcourse 'free' at best and are convenient as long as you have a good PC (£300+) and broadband £10+ per month.

This is just another way of looking at it from a record collecting point of view, if you wse the other media regularly and would spend the money on it anyway by all means leave the records for me.


deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
On top of that, most of you run your audio thru an A/D converter which sort of defeats the arguement that you like the vintage sound.
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I've corrected that for you to apply to more people. I don't sample vinyl for the sound. Although i do love the crackles, the hiss the disortions and the noise of an old record - sounds exclusive to vinyl amongst the alternatives you mentioned and unaffected by transfer to computer. They could be added by plug-in.

You have this one wrong on so many levels though. Sampling a record into a computer does not make it sound as if it came straight from CD, DVD etc. There are $$$ bits of audio cleanup kit that do that.
 
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1) for warmth you get from old analog records/equipment
2) I come across a good amount of vinyls with good samples
3) scratching samples too

but all that said, its not like I ONLY sample from vinyls nor do I think ANYONE would say its NECESSARY. Whatever your preference but I find old vinyls and movies provide the best samples, interesting n unique sounds. Vinyl has old funk/blues/soul and Movies have big orchestrals and nice sound FX and most times its in a chopped/stabbed style already.
 
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jizzer said:
Stop blaming FP. It was your question...

"Why do people feel the need to sample exclusively from vinyl?"

Who are these people you speak of? 99.99% of people who sample will sample anything..the other .01% probably just have a work method with vinyl that works for them.

..then you go on to tell all the reasons sampling from vinyl is inferior to your methods...that's not asking a question, it's telling your opinion. And half of your premises about vinyl are wrong to begin with with regards to price, availibilty, and sound quality.

So you've already made up your mind, right? Believe me when I say those of us who buy records don't mind at all that most people don't bother with it.
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I buy vinyl dickface, that's why I know. I have friends that only use vinyl that's what brought up the question. If you use all of the mentioned above sources I wasn't addressing you. I'm addressing people who only use vinyl for sampling. There are tons of producers who do this, I wanted their input, the question was asked to them. If you sample from everything, you're doing the same thing I already do, most likely better than you, so STFU. You can't tell me sh**. This is why I blame FP everyone's getting bent out of shape thinking I'm trying to reform them or some sh**. If you already use other sources to sample I'm not talking to you. Now lemme ask again....

Why do producers who sample from vinyl only not decide to expand into sampling from other sources? If you're offended by the question...know what, nevermind. I don't even care no more. I'll stick to what I do and make my 10g beats for major artists. I sure got alot to learn.

All you f**ks up here think all I do is brag and start stuff, check yaself this is the 1st and last question I'll ever ask on FP. See you on top, if you don't get there, I won't see ya.
 
Damn deRaNged, take it easy. From the OP it made it seem like you were asking in general why people would sample from vinyl and it also it seemed like you were saying vinyls are a bad option again in general.

No need for static, just saying.

To take a stab at the rephrased question though, some people are nostalgic junkies and only wanna mess with dated stuff. I've come across threads where people talk about old tube amps being the best or old compressors, speakers and recording to tape track records etc etc. Look on ebay how old moog synth move like hotcakes. They can try to argue sound quality but in the end I think people that strictly limit themselves like that got compulsive disorders man.
 
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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
Now lemme ask again....

Why do producers who sample from vinyl only not decide to expand into sampling from other sources? If you're offended by the question...know what, nevermind. I don't even care no more.
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Don't get carried away man, i know you are simply asking the question(i will give my reasons shortly), you've raised good points and presented it well, don't let a few idiots put you off. Keep doing the same and no one can really put you down.

This is the sort of issue i think "future producers" should be discussing.
 
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To OLSATG and Mrpg, I aplogize, Thanks for giving me honest answers. I think you both posted aroud the same time as dude who felt it wasnessesary to attack me. None of that last post was meant towards you or anyone else giving positive feedback.

Just so everyone knows, I am a pro producer/engineer/M.E. from the digital era. I loved and was a fan of music in the analog era, but don't understand the process beyond books read, haven't experienced as much in analog production.

I asked this question out of real interest in the analog sound of vinyl. I was actually considering getting a turntable to replace my record player, and ordering alot of vinyl. That's why I originally posted this. I apologize for coming off like an a$$hole, I guess that's the persona I take on this site. Nowhere else in life, but FP.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I buy vinyl dickface, that's why I know. I have friends that only use vinyl that's what brought up the question. If you use all of the mentioned above sources I wasn't addressing you. I'm addressing people who only use vinyl for sampling. There are tons of producers who do this, I wanted their input, the question was asked to them. If you sample from everything, you're doing the same thing I already do, most likely better than you, so STFU. You can't tell me sh**. This is why I blame FP everyone's getting bent out of shape thinking I'm trying to reform them or some sh**. If you already use other sources to sample I'm not talking to you. Now lemme ask again....

Why do producers who sample from vinyl only not decide to expand into sampling from other sources? If you're offended by the question...know what, nevermind. I don't even care no more. I'll stick to what I do and make my 10g beats for major artists. I sure got alot to learn.

All you f**ks up here think all I do is brag and start stuff, check yaself this is the 1st and last question I'll ever ask on FP. See you on top, if you don't get there, I won't see ya.
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nice...
 
if ur into mp3 or cd 4 sampling u should listen to rare soul.comwith grouchy gregg and then just buy it off itunes or something else.they got super rare tigh soul on there
 
man i doesnt matter where you sample from as long as its hittin
 
I pretty much only use vinyl. It's cheap, realitively easy to get, etc. So that is a factor. Sure i could go download **** for free but realistically, it's just going to be time wasted. But outside of that, vinyl has a better sound. And i'm not talking about "fat analog" sound. I'm talking about non digitally remastered, not a single bit of character sound.
 
deshawnpenrose said:
rare samples on records you cant find online
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yup! and c'mon who doesnt love digging for vinyl....its one of the best stress relieving ,enjoyable things about producing.If you dont dig the real way ur missing out on alot of fun...im not taking sides cause i've been seeing tempers flareing all over this thread.real digging is just to fun to miss out on.
 
Very good thread!!
Sup Deranged...
See,it's all about the purists who have nothing else going on in their life aside for their rare vinyl collection.
I did buy a lot of vinyl and will continue to do so,but there's plenty of ill samples in cd's,dvd's,tv.tapes and mp3's.
Anyways,most fans don't wonder if the sample was from vinyl,they don't care for the most part!!
That said,I love used vinyl because of that dirt(I like it dirty!!),but sampling other mediums can help with creativity.
Nah bruh,you're just honest and outspoken and we all know that the truth hurts most of the times!! haha
 
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