Why sample from vinyl???

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Wow, this is a great thread. But say if you're just sampling a trumpet squeak off a james brown record or a 2 bar piano loop at the beginning of a track...would the quality be that much better if you sampled from vinyl? or would you not notice?
 
If you wanna buy cheap music. Buy it used!

Cheap, used cd's skip.

Cheap, used vinyl snaps, crackles and pops.

If you consider album artwork a dying or lost artform, you can buy the old vinyl for the original covers, as opposed to the generic press photos they might slap on the front for a "best of" or reissue.

You can jump to any point in the song, even look at the heavy grooves in the vinyl and be able to tell where the poppin' parts are gonna be. You can speed up or slow down the song right from the get-go with any standard turntable.

You can physically touch the music.

If you like using vinyl, it will be an easier and more effective method for you. If you don't, it won't. If you question people who like using vinyl, you probably don't/

Also, you like... asked about vinyl and then corrected your question to: "Oh... well I mean, I'm just askin' about the people who STRICTLY only use vinyl. I use all these different sources... etc. I'm the best."

I'm just teasin' bro... but seriously, I just think that... vinyl is such a vast pit of musical experience for some people, you can end up settling with the little drawbacks and negatives of the method, because the positive elements are so charming. I'm less likely to even look at a CD or a computer for a bird noise if I need one... if I can't find in on vinyl, I don't need it that bad. But I might find something even better on the quest for it.

Vinyl's like playing russian roulette with a cannon attatched to a jukebox.

Plus... all the artists who's music wasn't a big enough of a "hit" to be reissued to CD, every one of those artists has potentially sonically interesting music that can be recycled for beats, but will never see the light of a digital day.

When you can make something amazing out of something nobody heard and nobody wanted, you feel good about yourself. Just about as good as you would feel being able to find bird noises on a DVD.
 
why are you resurecting a thread from 2 years ago?
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I was just wondering why so many people feel it's nessesary to sample from vinyl. You sort of limit yourself in my opinion.

Vinyl's harder to come across, cost's more money(also have to purchase a turntable)and you have easier access to so many sources. Since getting into computer audio I sample from mp3s, CDs, DVDs, and TV, that covers way more ground than vinyls.

On top of that, most of you run your audio thru computer which sort of defeats the arguement that you like the vintage sound.
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1. I don't know anyone who feels its necessary.
2. I have NO problem finding vinyl.
3. I can get vinyl from other COUNTRIES. How is that limiting?
4. I've never paid more than $10.00 for 2 crates of vinyl at one time. The rest are gifts from uncles. Please.
5. AND, I don't run ANY of my samples through a computer.
6. PROVEN FACT: MP3 sound quality STILL sucks in 2008. Ask any engineer. They hate it.

Sounds like you're limiting yourself. lol. Please.
 
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Because I can Scratch, and chop the crap out of **** on my turntable its way funner than just Wam Bam here it is Mam. as opposed to copying and pasting the everything, although I do a bit of that too. And For the most part even if you are recording into a computer it still has that vinyl sound. I just got a turntable this year and I've had more fun trying to make beats that way, than any other way I've tried.
 
because it's easier than starting a new thread. and people here ***** all the time about not searching
 
also much easier to EQ out unwanted sounds than on a remastered version of the same song.


on the flipside, if you're sampling instrumentation that doesn't include heavy drums, sometimes the cd is in your favor, but most cases you want that vinyl sound.
 
Please... tha other day I was jus viben. Listenin to the oldies station, then this mad man recorded a few minutes of it chopped it up and started a banger...
 
MarkyBeatz954 said:
Please... tha other day I was jus viben. Listenin to the oldies station, then this mad man recorded a few minutes of it chopped it up and started a banger...
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who did that? which radio show?
 
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i like a dirty sound, and crate digging i feel is an art ya know
 
DaFunkDocta said:
1. I don't know anyone who feels its necessary.
2. I have NO problem finding vinyl.
3. I can get vinyl from other COUNTRIES. How is that limiting?
4. I've never paid more than $10.00 for 2 crates of vinyl at one time. The rest are gifts from uncles. Please.
5. AND, I don't run ANY of my samples through a computer.
6. PROVEN FACT: MP3 sound quality STILL sucks in 2008. Ask any engineer. They hate it.

Sounds like you're limiting yourself. lol. Please.
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Old thread resurrected by the same bullsh*t. I'm an engineer, no one says MP3 sound is flawles, however, PROVEN FACT: 160mbps CD Rips are alot more accurate than vinyl ran thru half azz converters by novice producers. Ask any engineer. They hate that more. What are you converting that vinyl with? Yeah...thought so. 2-5 is all the answers I asked of you.

as for "1. You don't know anyone who feels its necessary." that shows how much you deal with producers beyond a computer screen. Of course there aren't many FPers who feel like this, they're on computers conversating. I know tons of producers, alot with major credits for back in the days who tell me "if you don't sample from vinyl, it's not real hip hop." That's why I asked the damn question 2 years ago.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
Old thread resurrected by the same bullsh*t. I'm an engineer, no one says MP3 sound is flawles, however, PROVEN FACT: 160mbps CD Rips are alot more accurate than vinyl ran thru half azz converters by novice producers. Ask any engineer. They hate that more. What are you converting that vinyl with? Yeah...thought so. 2-5 is all the answers I asked of you.

as for "1. You don't know anyone who feels its necessary." that shows how much you deal with producers beyond a computer screen. Of course there aren't many FPers who feel like this, they're on computers conversating. I know tons of producers, alot with major credits for back in the days who tell me "if you don't sample from vinyl, it's not real hip hop." That's why I asked the damn question 2 years ago.
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As if I actually care about who you know, lol. Gettin' tight over nothing. yawn.
 
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i can't hear the difference between if someone samples from analog vs digital. even if you sample from analog, the audio signal is then converted to digital anyways. sampling from vinyl has alot of variables such as what needle you use, and the condition of the vinyl record itself. plus alot of cats sample from old worn out vinyl in which the sound quality would be crap. sure you may be sampling vinyl at 48bit but worn out vinyl will always sound like crap.
 
DaFunkDocta said:
As if I actually care about who you know, lol. Gettin' tight over nothing. yawn.
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If I thought you cared, I woulda named names, lol. Making a record back in the days don't make you nobody. I got money for current gear, thay still in a raggidy azz wooden garage shack with a set o' turntables telling me my sh*t can't make hip hop.

You dudes have so little going on that you think I'm bragging cause I know a dude who made a track in 1985? You need to go out and meet people. Right here on FP there's guys who've made beats for R.Kelly, Keri Hilson, Cassie, Dem Franchise Boyz, Quan, Yukmouth, Trae, Tiffany Evans, Dipset, Game, Wale, and plenty of other slightly more current artists.
 
I definitely don't limit myself to vinyl I sample MP3's very often. Vinyl will always be number one to me though and unlike most it doesn't really have anything to do with me thinking I'm somehow more of a "real" producer by doing it.

I like manipulating vinyl better than trying to manipulate mp3's, whether its eq or pitch control. Second even though I'm sure I don't have the most high tech top of the line audio interface, I can still tell a difference between mp3 and vinyl...and I prefer vinyl's more widened sound. Also something a little more intagible is that I just love the idea of taking a piece of vintage vinyl sitting in an attic or basement somewhere untouched/unused for 10 or 15 years, playing it with my modern turntable, converting it and manipulating it and doing all this up to date sh*t with something that has pretty much been forgotten and making something totally new with it.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
On top of that, most of you run your audio thru computer which sort of defeats the arguement that you like the vintage sound.
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I feel you Deranged...too many people think they aren't keeping it real if they aren't sampling from only vinyl. I also bet alot of people on here say they sample from vinyl when they're really rippin from .mp3s
 
^^^Yeah, but I'm leaving this alone. It's a 2 year old thread I shouldn't have started back then.Back when I did start it, I didn't know what I know now. I ginuinely was asking if people who sampled from vinyl exclusively thought it gave some type advantage.

Instead of answering, people with a crate or 2 of bullsh*t get defensive, and I realized average dude on FP doesn't even have a real collection. I own over 3,000 CDs. About 85-90% of those are owned for samples. And I don't just sample from them. That would be just as limiting.

And f**k 10 dollars a crate, I've paid $70 for 1 rare record because it was rare. Ain't nothing in a 10 dollar crate that you can't find in a dollar CD bin. Hence my saying records are expensive.

I apologize for ever starting this thread 2 years ago. But ever notice on FP when someone wants to know where a sample's from, I usually have the CD? Alot more stuff is repressed than you guys wanna believe.

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