What the MPC 5000 has that the MV-8800 doesn't?

[kcsherrell@mac.com]

Yeah, so what it still more than an MV? and I don't want to get involved in this gear war with you all, but in this economy, trst me everyone is making moves to get sh!t sol and out the door! Believe that!

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[jahrome]

For the record, the MPC 5000 has lost nearly half its value since release...

http://www.storedj.com.au/products/product.php?id=1755

just sayin....

The advertised price of the MPC 5000 has been $2500-$2600 since it was released back in May 2008.

As far as value...as soon as your drive a new car off the lot, the value of the car drops thousands of dollars. And as such MPCs (or any electrnic musical device) are not to be purchased thinking you are going to get a return on your investment..unless you actually using it to create music people will purchase.

As far as the price of the MV, it has recently dropped and Roland is actually paying consumers $300 to buy one. But even at the discounted price, if you want to upgrade it with the discontinued analog expansion board, and the R-Buss to ADAT converter (all which are standard on the 5K)...your MV will quickly jump up to over $2000.

Don't look at these two threads I created as a war. I put them out there for information purposes so potential buyers can decide for themselves. Of course I believe that the MPC 5000 is far superior based on the dozens of features it has that the MV doesn't but also its workflow. However, the MPC 5K is a new machine and should be better. The MV-9000 (or what ever they call it) will be out within a year or so and we will be talking about this subject again.

 

[JESTER]

I Say Fuk It Save 2k And Buy The Maschine!!!!

 

[kaladaproductions]

for a min there i though one of you was roland rep and the other an akai rep. Krazy kids.

 

[jahrome]

I Say Fuk It Save 2k And Buy The Maschine!!!!

The Maschine is nowhere close to being an MPC or MV. It has a stripped down sampler and its sequencing is not up to par.....

 

[VexaDJ]

The advertised price of the MPC 5000 has been $2500-$2600 since it was released back in May 2008.

that's in US dollars: I'm in Australia.... here it's gone from $6499 to $4999 to $3500 to $2500...... in 10 months.... so it's losing an average of $500 in value per month LOL - that's ridiculous by any measure

These units are brand new, not second-hand as you seem to *think*

Sound on Sound magazine's bashing of the unit must've affected sales in this part of the world LOL n double LOL - Oz isn't in recession (yet) like all you poor f++++rs hehe

 

[jahrome]

that's in US dollars: I'm in Australia.... here it's gone from $6499 to $4999 to $3500 to $2500...... in 10 months.... so it's losing an average of $500 in value per month LOL - that's ridiculous by any measure

These units are brand new, not second-hand as you seem to *think*

Sound on Sound magazine's bashing of the unit must've affected sales in this part of the world LOL n double LOL - Oz isn't in recession (yet) like all you poor f++++rs hehe

It sounds like your country's customs and dealers were trying to rip musicans off. In US and Japan, the advertised selling price of the MPC 5000 has remained at $2500-$3000 US for the past year.

Please let me know when some hot music created with an MPC comes out of Australia. Then I will start caring about the price drop lol.

 

[VexaDJ]

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[lvngdead]

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damn homie, in australia you can get a brand new mpc5k at the store for $2500 AUD?

The cheapest MPC5000s on american ebay go for $2813.80 AUD after shipping.

 

[jahrome]

:The RRP is set by YOUR MATES at Akai.

Which is about $5000 after the exchange rate conversion - you do know about exchange rates?? They teach 'em in grade school, which you've clearly nearly finished.

Oh, so now you admit there's a price drop do you.... mmmm

LOL, and you gonna insult my nation now - that's pretty low. GFYS is all I can say to that..... and if you wanna compare: A quick check on the web will show anyone who cares to look that the scene in Oz is a hell of a lot bigger than it ever will be in nippon

So you will blame Akai for what the dealers are selling MPCs for? New cars have MSRPs (aka sticker prices). But the actually selling price is much less. Same goes for the MPC 5K. As I stated earlier...the price of the MPC 5000 hasn't changed in the US nor has it changed in Nippon aka Japan. Stating that your country applies VAT/custom fees, etc is not an insult. As far as the scene is Oz and Nippon...we have sexier and more exotic women

But what does all of this have to do with the 3 dozen plus functions the 5K has that the MV-8800 doesn't?

Updated MPC 5000 features that are not in the MV:


1. 20 voice VA synth w/ preview/audition before loading– parameters edited via Q-links (MV has 1 as part of the single Multi-effects processor)
2. 8 tracks of 24 bit hard disk recording w/ automation – Export/Import 16 or 24 bit files (MV has 8 tracks of Ram based audio that goes out of sync with long recordings and no 24 bit recording)
3. Most advanced swing parameters of any MPC to date (the MV will never be able to duplicate this unless they steal Akai's code)
4. 64 parts – can assign a different program to each track (the MV has 16 parts)
5. 8 + 4 Q-links knobs/sliders that send MIDI CC messages to external instruments – can adjust the tune, level, layer, cutoff, resonance, pan, attack, decay, and release of internal individual sounds and/or programs (synth and sample)- (the MVs sliders and knobs don't have this level of control)
6. Record and Edit at 960 ppqns plus 1/4 (3), 1/64 (3) timing note values supported (The resolution of the MVs sequencer doesn't come close and certainly not the timing)
7. Undo/Redo most editing parameters – functional even when sequencer is playing (update: The MV cannot undo destructive editing like truncate while the 5K can)
8. 4 buss multi-effects processor with 2 effects per buss..all linkable (had insert/send effects)- effects can be routed to any of the 10 analog or digital outputs – editable via Q-links. All effects parameters are fully automated (FX routing of the MV doesn't come close)
9. 10 analog outputs + 8 channel ADAT digital output, CF card reader standard (You have to purchase $400-$800 in expansion boards for the MV to have this...but these boards are being discontinued)
10. Can resample any of the 10 outputs (The MV doesn't have this many outputs)
11. 2 footswitch ports (can assign several MPC functions to)- (the MV has 1)
12. Ability to use the analog inputs and turntable inputs simultaneously (not possible with the MV)
13. Master EQ and Compressor (No...for the MV)
14. 2 MIDI Ins/4 MIDI outs standard (64 channels of external MIDI sequencing) - (not possible with the MV even with an expansion board)
15. Multitimbral Mode – turns MPC into 32 channel sound module (16 for the MV)
16. DVD Rom Support (no for the MV...but I hear some have tried/some have failed)
17. Up to 64 continuous sample tracks (no for the MV)
18. Cycle and Random sample zone play (No for the MV)
19. Track Mute Menu: Track Mute, Track Mute Group, Pad Mute, Pad Mute Group; all can be automated plus new mute quantize function (sorry...MV can't do all of this)
20. 7 Filters options per pad (4 additional variations) – 2, 4, 6, 8 slope (options with additional filters in the 4 x 2 buss effects processor (The MPC 5000 is filter king...these MV doesn't have this level of control)
21. More filter/filter envelope, Amp envelope, LFO parameters (the MV has these but the MP has a higher level of control)
22. Patched Phrase (no for the MV)
23. Independent Arpeggiator for each track (No for the MV)
24. Adjustable LCD screen (no for the MV so you have no choice but to use an external monitor...without the monitor, the MV is not something you want to work with)
25. Simultaneous access to hard drive and CF drive via PC/USB (No for the MV)
26. Instant track mute for beat juggling (No for the MV)
27. 16 levels mode – velocity, filter, tune, decay, attack, layer (No for the MV)
28. Track lock function
29. Graphic Q-link controller view in Grid Edit
30. Multi-pad edit
31. Auto create program from folders
32. Import samples at any sample rate but doesn't convert them
33. Import Z8 series programs
34. * Can freely assign note numbers to pads (the MVs are fixed)
35. * 128 keygroups/partials per program/patch (MV has only 96)
36. * Can overlap keygroups/partials (not possible with the MV)
37. * Can crossfade keygroups/partials (not possible with the MV)

I just added 4 additional functions that the MPC 5000 has that the MV doesn't based off an MV product review. MV users, please let me know if these functions have been added in a recent OS update so I can ensure my list is accurate.

 

[Bananasass]

the price of the MPC 5000 hasn't changed in the US nor has it changed in Nippon aka Japan. Stating that your country applies VAT/custom fees, etc is not an insult.

Yeah funny guy, of course the MSRP hasn't changed, it's basically a set in stone value the first time a product gets launched, but the price in freaking stores has changed a lot already.

In fact talking about Roland, they did not change their MSRP either, instead they offer a small rebate.

But what does all of this have to do with the 3 dozen plus functions the 5K has that the MV-8800 doesn't?

Actually you aren't even listening. You stubbornly keep posting about things the MV doesn't have according to you, when in reality it does have quite a lot of those things and had so for over a year.

 

[jahrome]

Yeah funny guy, of course the MSRP hasn't changed, it's basically a set in stone value the first time a product gets launched, but the price in freaking stores has changed a lot already.

In fact talking about Roland, they did not change their MSRP either, instead they offer a small rebate.



Actually you aren't even listening. You stubbornly keep posting about things the MV doesn't have according to you, when in reality it does have quite a lot of those things and had so for over a year.

You need to go back and re-read the last few posts because you are off.

I purchased my MPC 5000 for $2500 when it was released in May last year.

The actually selling prices of the MPC 5000 has changed very little since. Brand new MPC 5000 goes for $2600 (MSRP $3500) in the US. You can probably talk it down a little. The selling price in Japan is $3000. So exactly what do you mean it has changed a lot? The MVs price has dropped almost $1000 over the past year. (By the way...none of this has anything to do with the several dozen features the MPC 5000 has that they soon-to-be discontinued MV doesn't have.)

Now if my list in inacurrate, show some proof (manual references, pics, etc). I will update this list immediately.

 

[moyphee]

2. 8 tracks of 24 bit hard disk recording w/ automation

How about you showing some proof (manual references, pics, etc). ??!!??

There is no 24bit audio inside the MPC-5000!

 

[jahrome]

How about you showing some proof (manual references, pics, etc). ??!!??

There is no 24bit audio inside the MPC-5000!

But yes there is. The hard disk tracks record in 24 bit and you can export them in 24 or 16 bit....just like the Alesis Fusion which the hard disk tracks are based upon. The MV doesn't provide neither if I am not mistaken.

 

[Bananasass]

But yes there is. The hard disk tracks record in 24 bit and you can export them in 24 or 16 bit....just like the Alesis Fusion which the hard disk tracks are based upon. The MV doesn't provide neither if I am not mistaken.

Do we really have to refute everything you bring up more than twice?

The MPC5000 has the same dithering trick the MV has, mixdown on the MV can indeed be done in 24bit format also, but because the source is only 16bit you will never get anything truly above CD quality.

The very same is true for the MPC5000. It's not really true 24bit, it's just a format change.

 

[moyphee]

But yes there is. The hard disk tracks record in 24 bit and you can export them in 24 or 16 bit....just like the Alesis Fusion which the hard disk tracks are based upon. The MV doesn't provide neither if I am not mistaken.

The MPC-5000 does not contain a 24bit stage anywhere in it's audio path nor does it contain any 24bit converters. As Bananasass states, saving a 16bit wav as as 24bit is just repackaging.


Both the MV and Fusion have actual 24bit converters while the 5000 has the same 16bit chip set and sound engine as the 2500. There are only 16bits of audio in any type of file in the 5000.


There is no 24bit audio in the MPC-5000 and it contains no 24bit converters!

Show proof ( specs or official documentation ) of the contrary.
... or provide an explanation of how a 16bit input,processing,and output stage produces real 24bit audio without repackaging a 16bit wav.

or simply stop lying to hype a struggling machine.

 

[jahrome]

Do we really have to refute everything you bring up more than twice?

The MPC5000 has the same dithering trick the MV has, mixdown on the MV can indeed be done in 24bit format also, but because the source is only 16bit you will never get anything truly above CD quality.

The very same is true for the MPC5000. It's not really true 24bit, it's just a format change.

You can refute all you want but at least come up with some facts.

The MPC 5000s has a 24 bit hard disk recorder which is completely seperate from the sampler. When you want to export the tracks, you can keep them in 24 bit or dither than to 16 bit..your choice.

@moypee..please show some evidence that the MPC 5000s hard disk recorder doesn't record in 24 bit.

 

[moyphee]

^^^^ Bullsh!T !!!! Prove it or stop the lying.

When you want to export the tracks, you can keep them in 24 bit or dither than to 16 bit.

It's official , you have no idea of what your trying to make up.

There is no 24bit audio in the MPC-5000 and it contains no 24bit converters!

 

[Thö 1005]

From gearslutz mpc5000 -thread (which jahrome himself has been flaming also, and MUST have read this)

It must be doing the bitrate conversion. I imported as 24/44 and then when i save and reconnect the drive the files are all at 16/44k in Peak.

so no go for 24 bit in mpc5000, not in sampling, samples (in a way, but it downdithers them anyway into 16bit), or even less in HD recording since it very well records from the 16 bit converters..

 

[jahrome]

^^^^ Bullsh!T !!!! Prove it or stop the lying.


It's official , you have no idea of what your trying to make up.

There is no 24bit audio in the MPC-5000 and it contains no 24bit converters!

24 bit hard disk recording, yes. 16 bit sampling, yes.

As far as converters, post the source of the specs you keep writing about.