TonyG shyt on sites like PMP

[Legal Dollaz]

I came back to this thread to make sure I wasn't being overly hard on anyone, but I gotta say...I know u are THE Legal Dollaz...and u are pretty much a god on these forums. I have learned a LOT from you. I have a lot of respect for you so don't take what I'm about to say as a diss in any way BUT: Why is PMP important? Does the average listener give a ****? No. The site is intended for producers and A&Rs which supposedly is the "old business model." If the old model is so 2003, what is the relevancy of PMP? At the end of the day, it's a site that is banking off producers chasing a placement. So please...I understand what you are saying....and u r correct, BUT the topic is not about that. It's about the sites, like PMP, who take money from up and comers who are chasing dreams. So let's have Abom respond to this and see what he has to say.

Abom, please answer the direct issues. Don't give philosophical answers. Let's get real.

Thanks for the compliment. If the PMP is not important then why are so many established producers utilizing the site? Why is all the G-Unit executives (yes including TonyG, I confirmed) have accounts on the PMP? Why do I see people thanking the PMP for helping their career which in 2009 is not only defined by 'placements' but by branding your business and building a core audience. This is about creating an effective way for EVERYBODY to have access to quality music. Their site is based on a marketplace concept which is why some of your favorite producers are actually doing business on the PMP and not the other sites like musicplacements. If you believe there are other sites that create a more effective way for anyone to get access to quality music by all means utilize it and totally ignore the PMP. Maybe you know something that all the established professionals that are utilizing the PMP dont. In fact I see musicplacement banner right on this site selling the concept of getting placements and I've never seen a PMP ad ever so maybe your talk of producers chasing placement dreams should be directed at the site you claim TonyG is a part of, which then only makes sense that he would be foolish enough to come at a site his own company uses.

 

[DaNOC]

Let me drop some science to all. PMP is cool but I don't think it's worth paying $50 a month and not get your tracks placed. The info is nice on there, I go there to look at the info and see what Bernie the Attorney has to say along with other industry buzz.

I was taught "NEVER PAY MONEY TO GET YOUR TRACKS HEARD".

If you want to get your tracks heard, here are some ways.

1. Do the leg work, make sure your tracks are hot and network around top executives not some lame street wanna be rapper cat.
2. Make sure your beats are tight and you know how to make music, have your own studio, and get very aquainted with a publisher who can push your music to various places, via, movies, albums, games, etc!
3. Get a manager whether it's a personal manager who will do the leg work for you, or get an attorney to work as a service, meaning if you're going to pay might as well pay the attorney. Just don't get any attorney, check out their record and see who they are doing business for.


I myself got in through publishing, so I am doing well and one can do it too. Don't just concentrate on albums, there are movies, high and low budget movies that you can get some dough from. Games, albums, ringtones, internet service etc. These engines are making money off your hopes, it's like Reverend Ike who makes his money off poor Church goers because they seek the hopes of paradise, through this man. It's a scheme to make dough. I don't knock their hustle but at the same time you guys need to know the science behind what you are doing.

Also, learn how to do more than just produce, this is the age where if you're doing music wear a couple of hats, like if you produce you should know how to mix that way if someone came to you for a beat and bought it you could offer them mixing fees that would be less than the other engineer, but be good at what you do though. Learn how to mix audio with video, how to edit and so forth. Be swift with a computer, know the ins and outs of a computer be it Mac and Pc I know them both so I am good on solving problems. What I am saying is the more useful you are the more people are going to want and need you to be around.

Peace

 

[Legal Dollaz]

Let me drop some science to all. PMP is cool but I don't think it's worth paying $50 a month and not get your tracks placed.
Peace

If the only value you see is placing tracks then you do not understand the current state of the music business as far as producers are concerned. This is why most people that say this are the people that are the LEAST relevant and the ones that are the MOST relevant understand that you must utilize available resources that address the two most crucial factors facing their career

RELEVANCY

CREDIBILTY

If the PMP is neither then I guess the same goes for all the producers on the site, I guess Swizz Beatz, Ty Fyffe, Jim Jonsin, Justice League, and the list goes on and on got it all wrong and YOU have it all right correct?

 

[mosfacekilla]

It seems to me that this site has only a handful of people with an actual brain which would b Legal Dollaz and Deranged. I dont want to b a d!ck and come on fp wit all the rah rah sh!t but honestly I never had to use PMP to get on, I did it by good ole handshakes and presentation of a product well put together that actually feel into the hands of D. Dot who helped me get further work wit some other cats now im working with a up and comer I know is gonna make some noise. You FP niccaz need to stop thinking about wtf other people are doin and start doing you and stop expecting a fvckin hand out, put together a fvckin product that works and find your own lane. If its PMP, Youtube wtf ever it is do that **** who gives a fvck about a Tony G. IF YOU HAVE SKILLS NICCAZ WILL NOTICE THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDNT NOTICE YOUR A$$ CUZ YOUR NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOCUS ON YOU AND MAKIN YOUR SH!T TIGHT LIKE SARAN MUTHAFVCKAZ....ill holla one. My bad Da Noc u basically said wat i said wit out being as harsh lol...I give you your props well put in your last post, u summed it up well....

 

[stokeI]

If the PMP is neither then I guess the same goes for all the producers on the site, I guess Swizz Beatz, Ty Fyffe, Jim Jonsin, Justice League, and the list goes on and on got it all wrong and YOU have it all right correct?

can it be that they are only being used as advertisement for PMP?

 

[Legal Dollaz]

can it be that they are only being used as advertisement for PMP?

Lets not go off the deep end here. They are utilizing the site just like people are utilizing Myspace, Twitter, Facebook, Future Producers, etc... for different purposes and objectives.

 

[j.troup]

1. I got a fine ass chick asian chick i just banged sleeping in the other room.

2. troup, u ain't got no manners. I would knock your ***** ass out if i ever saw u in real life.

3. I agree with pretty much everything said by everyone here.

4. I don't give a **** about producer sites.

5. I was doing this for ppl who may be concerned, so stop attacking me personally.

6. **** this shyt. I'm out. This is why FP always drives ppl away. I was trying to help some ppl out by being a messenger, yet you decide to shoot me. Why would you attack me? Address the issue WHICH YOU NEVER DID. ANSWER THE FUKKING QUESTIONS!!!

DOES PMP FILTER THE FUKKING BULL****T TRACK DUMPS OR NOT????? DO YOU PUSH THE PRODUCT TO THE LABELS PERSONALLLY OR NOT????

That's what the issue was. The issue was never the state of the industry. That's not what we're discussing in this thread.

1) Asian chicks look like 12 year old boys.


2) Try it.



3 - 6) You mad.




It amazes me that people get so upset about other people's business. Yes PMP charges $50/month to me a member of their site...


AND YOU'RE MAD??


I don't understand that. If you've already made up your mind that you don't see any value in what the PMP offers, then that's fine, keep it moving. But no, you get into speculatin and dissing the people that do see value in the site and who are actually seeing a return on their investment in the PMP.


I don't get why you're so mad.



People's minds are still stuck in this little "placement" box. They don't want to see that there are about 300 "placement" opportunities per year for hip hop and r&b. Cuz let's face it, there are only about 15 - 20 hip hop and r&b CDs that are being released by major labels every year.


People don't understand the concept of a PRODUCTION MARKETPLACE, and that's why their mad. Their mad because there people who do get the concept, and invest their money into their craft. Their mad because they don't have the money to invest in their craft.


If you won't invest $50 / month into your "career", then what are you in it for???



Stop being mad and wake up. This is 2009. My day job is paying more than your "placements". If you want to make a career in music, you better start taking a wholistic approach to the game. Because just depending on "placements" is gon get your furniture PLACED outside on the curb by the sherrif, when u get evicted.

 

[Tha Wiizard]

Regardless of what's going on with Tony G or PMP, nobody here has the right to diss neither. Tony G is a guy affiliated with a company call G-Unit in case you don't know that is worth approximately a half a billion dollars. PMP, you barely know the names and status of who's who and what there attributes are. Again, regardless of how you feel, you're still tieing bricks to your legs when talking smack about industry personnel that ultimately you trying to meet and greet. Sure, these guys can't really hold you back but will dissing them help you move forward, I think not.

 

[Legal Dollaz]

Regardless of what's going on with Tony G or PMP, nobody here has the right to diss neither. Tony G is a guy affiliated with a company call G-Unit in case you don't know that is worth approximately a half a billion dollars. PMP, you barely know the names and status of who's who and what there attributes are.

And G-Unit, including TonyG himself have accounts utilizing the PMP so that answers everything, end of story. Correct? If so lets move on to something else like the fact that G-Unit is an INDEPENDENT and the vast majority of work coming out of the label is for PROMOTIONAL use and because of this the producers are not making a DIME off the so-called 'G Unit Placements' even though 50 Cent will still be paid because he's making ad-revenue from the releases via his thisis50.com site. Can we discuss that? The REAL issue regarding the future of producers monetizing their product in 2009 or are we going to continue to focus on whats LEAST RELEVANT???? Tell TonyG, 50 Cent, Jimmy, ANY so called industry 'giant' to come discuss the DE-MONETIZATION of the music industry for people like YOU and Legal Dollaz is right here to debate. All participants welcomed...

 

[j.troup]

Again, regardless of how you feel, you're still tieing bricks to your legs when talking smack about industry personnel that ultimately you trying to meet and greet. Sure, these guys can't really hold you back but will dissing them help you move forward, I think not.

That's the problem when you're putting your success in
othe people's hands.


I don't have that problem. So TonyG could hate me, and it wouldn't make me a difference. Because my business isn't tied to him, so I don't have to fear him.


Cuz at the end of the day, he's a cat with a JOB...not ownership.

 

[Legal Dollaz]

1) Asian chicks look like 12 year old boys.


2) Try it.



3 - 6) You mad.




It amazes me that people get so upset about other people's business. Yes PMP charges $50/month to me a member of their site...


AND YOU'RE MAD??


I don't understand that. If you've already made up your mind that you don't see any value in what the PMP offers, then that's fine, keep it moving. But no, you get into speculatin and dissing the people that do see value in the site and who are actually seeing a return on their investment in the PMP.


I don't get why you're so mad.



People's minds are still stuck in this little "placement" box. They don't want to see that there are about 300 "placement" opportunities per year for hip hop and r&b. Cuz let's face it, there are only about 15 - 20 hip hop and r&b CDs that are being released by major labels every year.


People don't understand the concept of a PRODUCTION MARKETPLACE, and that's why their mad. Their mad because there people who do get the concept, and invest their money into their craft. Their mad because they don't have the money to invest in their craft.


If you won't invest $50 / month into your "career", then what are you in it for???



Stop being mad and wake up. This is 2009. My day job is paying more than your "placements". If you want to make a career in music, you better start taking a wholistic approach to the game. Because just depending on "placements" is gon get your furniture PLACED outside on the curb by the sherrif, when u get evicted.

Now we're getting to the REALITY of what this is all about. Everything is fine when the burden of financial investment is on the backs of the artist and the labels but now when its time for the producer to put up then it becomes a problem. Well the day when its more important to figure out how NOT to spend money than it is to spend your money WISELY means your just a prostitue in search of a pimp rather than a entrepreneur that is willing to BUILD his own success. When everything around you is FREE, that's when the game is up. Ask the print media business about it. Ask the music industry about it.

 

[Kaminota]

Now we're getting to the REALITY of what this is all about. Everything is fine when the burden of financial investment is on the backs of the artist and the labels but now when its time for the producer to put up then it becomes a problem. Well the day when its more important to figure out how NOT to spend money than it is to spend your money WISELY means your just a prostitue in search of a pimp rather than a entrepreneur that is willing to BUILD his own success. When everything around you is FREE, that's when the game is up. Ask the print media business about it. Ask the music industry about it.

Shots Fired !!!! Man Down

Anyway .... LEGAL is Right. Everyone wants something for nothing. And don't realize that they pay for it in the end. A lot of cats don't realize they acting like hoes ....... but it's true.

 

[Tha Wiizard]

Regardless of who you choose to use to get placement etc, when it comes down to certain individuals, ala J. Troup, PMP can't do no wrong regardless. All these people are out for one thing, money, simple as that but you Troup act like there the good guys and in actuality that are robbing you fools blind.

 

[Kaminota]

No.... man PMP is just another tool. You can go and rent a tool from Home Depot. But it doesn't matter to them how you use it or if it is used.... so long as you bring it back in one piece.

You got to stop looking at PMP like it's the answer to everything. It's a tool... to help you out .... and it cost money. If you don't like it ...don't use it. TOOL!!!!

 

[Tha Wiizard]

Kam, lets look at reality. It all boils down to greed and greed alone. We at a state in the music industry where people should be looking for real talent for free, lol. If creating an environment where great talent can be found were there goals, then, why would you have to pay. You don't think that these same cats vists forums. It don't matter who you are, you can sign up. Do the math, 99% of placements within the music industry comes from the who you know factor. PMP has probably at least 100,000 users signed up. At 50 dollars a month, they grazing off cats like a cow on a million acre farm. There ain't enough placements in the world that could make up for what they are making off of these individuals.

 

[Kaminota]

I understand. Believe me I do. PMP is ingenious for that reason. They created another Ave for people to market themselves. Just like many things in life, only the strong (best) will survive. The guys with the most talent and hustle could make they service fee back like nothing on that site. But cats who lack all those qualities loss out. All be it dumb on their part. But that's reality. PMP is just creating an Ave and dropping knowledge. It's up to the users to utlize them profeciently.

 

[calmAss]

Kam, lets look at reality. It all boils down to greed and greed alone. We at a state in the music industry where people should be looking for real talent for free, lol. If creating an environment where great talent can be found were there goals, then, why would you have to pay. You don't think that these same cats vists forums. It don't matter who you are, you can sign up. Do the math, 99% of placements within the music industry comes from the who you know factor. PMP has probably at least 100,000 users signed up. At 50 dollars a month, they grazing off cats like a cow on a million acre farm. There ain't enough placements in the world that could make up for what they are making off of these individuals.

That's life man.

The government makes millions a year from people registering businesses when there isn't even a big enough market for most of them to succeed.

Some web hosting services and domain registration companies make millions from people setting up websites when most of them end up loosing money (including popular ones like youtube).

That doesn't mean they should stop doing it, because there are a few people that use those same tools and have huge success.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

u have the PMP shirt on in your Avatar. Which automatically makes u the PMP Goodwill Ambassador.

lmfao...

 

[Legal Dollaz]

Kam, lets look at reality. It all boils down to greed and greed alone. We at a state in the music industry where people should be looking for real talent for free, lol. If creating an environment where great talent can be found were there goals, then, why would you have to pay. You don't think that these same cats vists forums. It don't matter who you are, you can sign up. Do the math, 99% of placements within the music industry comes from the who you know factor. PMP has probably at least 100,000 users signed up. At 50 dollars a month, they grazing off cats like a cow on a million acre farm. There ain't enough placements in the world that could make up for what they are making off of these individuals.

No your right why should a producer have to pay for anything? And why should a artist or label pay a producer for anything. And why should the consumer have to pay for anything. Nobody has to pay for NOTHING and everybody can just enjoy creating and consuming music minus a business model. If that's your belief then that's fine. The HYPOCRISY comes in when your saying why should i have to pay for anything but expect the major label system to not only pay you for your product but invest additional revenue to blow up the record so you can have a career. This is the definition of a PROSTITUE. Thank goodness people like Russell Simmons, Master P, Eazy E, J Prince, Flash, Bam, etc... did not approach the game like a bunch of hoes and actually saw investment into their own commodity as a valuable resource which helped made it possible for YOU to sit on this FREE message board and talk about what you THINK should be the case as oppose to what it IS. Continue...

 

[Tha Wiizard]

That's life man.

The government makes millions a year from people registering businesses when there isn't even a big enough market for most of them to succeed.

Some web hosting services and domain registration companies make millions from people setting up websites when most of them end up loosing money (including popular ones like youtube).

That doesn't mean they should stop doing it, because there are a few people that use those same tools and have huge success.

That's life my ass. You can't confuse government business registration with PMP registration, LMFAO, seriously. Wow, just wow. You have to register with the government so they can make sure your business is legit number one, can track you income, and can regulate what services you are providing, it is a necessity especially with so many scammers and frauds out there. I can't believe you just compared PMP registration with that of government, wow, just wow.