TonyG shyt on sites like PMP

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Your welcome, why you think people go off the deep end when they're discussing the PMP site? Because its part of the redefinition of the music business (not the music INDUSTRY which is a antiquated concept in itself) and with any change comes a level of acceptance and a level of resistance. Those that are using the Internet ONLY as a way to gain entrance back into a dying business is living in 1998, those that see the Internet as a means to build a core audience by utilizing tools that help enchance their RELEVANCY and CREDIBILITY are living in 2009, those that see the Internet as a way to build a NEW INDUSTRY and redefine the business is living in 2011, ahead of the curve on the cutting edge. Kaboom....

Staying ahead of the curve has always been the most profitable way of thinking. I am in no way shape or form Donald Trump or Sean Combs, but it doesn't take a Havard or MIT degree to see how beneficial revolutionary thinking can be. I take offense to these FP'ers who cling to failure, who hang on to what little they know because it is ALL THEY KNOW. Learning, or thinking for that matter, has become so taboo and obsolete to those who have settled. There are so many tools at our disposable to settle.
 
is it safe to say that if it wasn't for FP, there wouldn't be an industrysound?


If this were true, then The same would have to hold true for University of Cincinnati...cuz they taught me all about marketing, accounting, psychology, etc.


And Accenture, for teaching me the ways of corporate America.

And just a culmination of all my experiences over my lifetime.


And FP has been a valuable learning tool in that lifetime
of experiences.
 
Yes knowledge is indeed power! Do you expect a stock trader NOT to understand how Wall Street works? So how is it we have a generation of young people expecting to succeed in the music business and have so little understanding of the business? If you did then you would understand why G-Unit (outside of 50) is now a independent and the vast majority of music is being released for free on the Internet which goes directly AGAINST the idea of creating a career off of 'chasing' placements because there is no $$ attached to promotional material...for the producer that is. Its time to wake up and smell the real roses or i will recommend that you make it a hobby and focus on another industry and let the few that see beyond the smoke to continue
 
If this were true, then The same would have to hold true for University of Cincinnati...cuz they taught me all about marketing, accounting, psychology, etc.


And Accenture, for teaching me the ways of corporate America.

And just a culmination of all my experiences over my lifetime.


And FP has been a valuable learning tool in that lifetime
of experiences.

What if an alternative FP was started but you had to pay a $5 membership fee, but there was additional added values to the membership? Am I 'reverse-engineering' your new site??? lol
 
What if an alternative FP was started but you had to pay a $5 membership fee, but there was additional added values to the membership? Am I 'reverse-engineering' your new site??? lol


Umm yeah...kinda there buddy. lol.


I don't have any immediate plans for a membership based portion of the site, but it's definitely an idea that is brewing. It's all about finding what added value services that users want.
 
Umm yeah...kinda there buddy. lol.


I don't have any immediate plans for a membership based portion of the site, but it's definitely an idea that is brewing. It's all about finding what added value services that users want.

Ok I gotcha. Im sure you will figure it out as you go along. I hope others are willing to take the 'entrepreneurial plunge' and let the rebuilding continue! I see the guys doing the grindefx.com site on the right path, J Troup, Abom and company at the PMP, Amalgam Digital, Digiwaxx and a few others and its only the beginning. As Myspace and the whole 'all my answers will be resolved in one big social network sewer' concept dies off the new DIY attached with SELF-INVESTMENT will begin to take over.
 
i can only speak for myself, but if i were to become a member of industrysound, it would be mainly to secure you as a consultant / advisor.

i would even go so far as to ask you to help members design & revise individual business plans...

stuff like that...

but it all comes down to whether your site will be "mainly" focusing on the INDUSTRY (business side), or SOUND (music side)
 
As Myspace and the whole 'all my answers will be resolved in one big social network sewer' concept dies off the new DIY attached with SELF-INVESTMENT will begin to take over.

WORD...

people don't think myspace, youtube, facebook, etc dip into their potential earnings...their "bottom lines"...

it seems to me that "FREE SITES" are free because THEY ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF YOU!!!

:bigeyes:
 
Legal have you written a book yet? I'm sure I'm not the first to suggest that you write one? Right?
 
Yes knowledge is indeed power! Do you expect a stock trader NOT to understand how Wall Street works? So how is it we have a generation of young people expecting to succeed in the music business and have so little understanding of the business? If you did then you would understand why G-Unit (outside of 50) is now a independent and the vast majority of music is being released for free on the Internet which goes directly AGAINST the idea of creating a career off of 'chasing' placements because there is no $$ attached to promotional material...for the producer that is. Its time to wake up and smell the real roses or i will recommend that you make it a hobby and focus on another industry and let the few that see beyond the smoke to continue

epic post...
 
why you think people go off the deep end when they're discussing the PMP site? Because its part of the redefinition of the music business (not the music INDUSTRY which is a antiquated concept in itself) and with any change comes a level of acceptance and a level of resistance.

Those that are using the Internet ONLY as a way to gain entrance back into a dying business is living in 1998, those that see the Internet as a means to build a core audience by utilizing tools that help enchance their RELEVANCY and CREDIBILITY are living in 2009, those that see the Internet as a way to build a NEW INDUSTRY and redefine the business is living in 2011
,

ahead of the curve

epic post!
 
i can only speak for myself, but if i were to become a member of industrysound, it would be mainly to secure you as a consultant / advisor.

i would even go so far as to ask you to help members design & revise individual business plans...

stuff like that...

but it all comes down to whether your site will be "mainly" focusing on the INDUSTRY (business side), or SOUND (music side)



That's what the live streaming portion is all about. If you happen to have questions or need to seek some sort of advice or opinion, you can do so, with a LIVE person, so that u can get instant answers.


The site is designed to be a balance of both the music side and the business side....cuz this is the MUSIC BUSINESS, and I wanna spread the gospel of having creative business as well as creative music.
 
WORD...

people don't think myspace, youtube, facebook, etc dip into their potential earnings...their "bottom lines"...

it seems to me that "FREE SITES" are free because THEY ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF YOU!!!

:bigeyes:

Kaboom...you hit it straight on the nail. It comes down to are you more focused on how to NOT have to spend any money (get over approach) or are you focused on giving yourself the best chance to generate income for yourself even if it means spending money. In the end many will find out that FREE comes with a cost no matter how you cut it. So what you have is Myspace and the major labels making money off of the millions of artists/producers thinking they're 'getting over' by utilizing a FREE outlet. Then they wonder why their brand and product is being devalued down to almost ZERO. There is a reason why it cost more to live in Bel Air or Beverly Hills than it is to live in Watts. Many want to go to heaven but nobody wants to die!
 
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Many want to go to heaven but nobody wants to die!

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:cheers:
 
It comes down to are you more focused on how to NOT have to spend any money (get over approach) or are you focused on giving yourself the best chance to generate income for yourself even if it means spending money. In the end many will find out that FREE comes with a cost no matter how you cut it. So what you have is Myspace and the major labels making money off of the millions of artists/producers thinking they're 'getting over' by utilizing a FREE outlet. Then they wonder why their brand and product is being devalued down to almost ZERO.

i'm speechless...

awesome post...

insane thread...
 
man yall do wut yall want to do. . . tony g aint the only doode lookin for beats. .
 
WOW....ok, a lotta good points brought up by everybody.

Again, I'm not gonna go back and quote everyone and respond to everything, but to answer the question of why it matters it me: Knowledge is power. Plain and simple. I'm just asking a question that was never answered and I wanted an answer. That's it.

As for Tony admitting that he's gotten beats off PMP, that's just messed up. He shoulda been up front about it from the jump. I still agree with him about the dumps being too flooded tho. I mean, if everyone submits, that's potentially 3000 beats/tracks per dump. Damn.

I think the PMP featured producers could potentially be more valuable than the dumps because at least you know somebody is gonna hear your stuff and they may wanna mess with you.

As for the whole "ppl are stuck in the old model" thing...well, wtf is PMP? It's selling a dream based on the old model of getting major label placements. That's the main selling point of PMP. And trust me, I'm def not stuck in the old model, but try and tell me that face to face networking ain't better and I will lose a lil respect for you.

Legal, I know you know what the fvck you're talking about. None of my hostality is aimed at you. Certain sentences or ideas I may slightly disagree with but I agree with you overall.

Troup, I honestly got no problem with you other than the condescending way you speak. Cut that out and we ain't got no problems. Seriously bro, ain't no reason for that kinda attitude. You got a lot of knowledge you can share with the world (go head and quote this sentence and plug your site again lol).

I can't close this out without shouting out my boy D. Wells, Kevin Shine, and whole FIRM. It's not even over yet and my life has been changed. I will always be grateful to the city of Atlanta. People say Canadians are nice people? Naw, Canadians are ****ing assholes compares to the ppl I've met in Atlanta.

BTW, all you ppl that responded in my ATL thread...come out to the next event the FIRM throws. Coop, I know u underage bro, but everyone who is over 21, come out.
 
As for the whole "ppl are stuck in the old model" thing...well, wtf is PMP? It's selling a dream based on the old model of getting major label placements. That's the main selling point of PMP. And trust me, I'm def not stuck in the old model, but try and tell me that face to face networking ain't better and I will lose a lil respect for you.

If any producer at this point in 2009 believe that the key to maintaining a viable career/business as a producer is to obtain 'major placements', a concept which in itself is running its course along with the album format then they have SOLD THEMSELVES ON A ANTIQUATED DREAM, not the PMP or even the guy (K Shine) that is doing the Atlanta conference you gave a shout out to (which by the way ALSO HAVE A TRACK DUMP ON THE PMP!!!!!!! lol). The future is based on diversifying your revenue sources and the key to that is building credibility and visibility in your business brand. That's where your money should be spent (besides the basics like gear upgrades, etc...)

I thought it was obvious but maybe its not so I will break it down a little, since its my JOB to analyze sites like the PMP and FUTURE PRODUCERS (which is why I'm on this site). The PMP is based on the market place concept (production MARKETPLACE) which in other words is the 'mall concept' which is based on the need for potential buyers to have one consolidated LOCATION for goods they need. In the Internet Era its all about what is best for your CUSTOMERS! So the PMP is the mall owners, the producers are Sears, Victoria Secrets, etc...who pay rent to the PMP and the shoppers browse around shop. If the shopper purchases a shirt from Macy's (if a artist purchase/lease a beat from a producer) the business transaction is between the store and the buyer, the mall doesnt get involved. That's the basic premise of the PMP which is based on having one central location (doesn't mean its the only place just like a major city will have more than just one mall, and also major street shopping strips, etc...).

The value of the mall is determined mostly by the BRANDS that utilize it, which in the case of the PMP its the ONLY site online that has that level of established producers organized in one setting and if anybody truly understands the business will know that they are not on the PMP just to 'chase placements' (most have the direct contacts/relationships already right??) but to establish and maintain their business BRANDS so they can maintain their relevency even if things get slow on the major placement side of things (which is the case for 99% of ALL PRODUCERS besides the 8 or 10 hot 'radio' producers of the moment). You need a place to seperate you from the spots that ANYBODY can post up at (Myspace) to avoid devaluation (which is why you will see the Gucci store on 5th Ave, NOT on 145st in Harlem).

Keeping with the 'mall' theory, the track dump system is for those that request further help shopping in the mall. 'Hey guys, I'm looking for clothes for my newborn, can all you stores send me what you have in stock?' That's the premise of the track dump concept, which allows the person (A&R, artist, label exec, manager, etc) to ACCESS music in their PMP account whenever based on what they are looking for without having to have 20 million emails bomb their gmail accounts or even having to give their email address out to everyone. It takes the burden of having to manage the music on the PMP site instead of on their email accounts and thats whats called using technology efficently! However I believe that MOST of the action happens from people registering regular buyer accounts and browsing the marketplace on their own which was the case of TonyG, who never had a track dump set up for him and was talking out of ignorance just to validate him dealing with musicplacements because its more important for him to get PAID than continue to utilize the best resources which is why the industry is going down the tubes (anybody disagree just check the revenue numbers for yourself)

So to end my long winded post I will say that in a production game that is totally saturated due to a low entry bar (free production software, free online promotional tools, etc...) the law of supply and demand automatically dictates that the value is being pushed down to ZERO (which is why new producers are getting barely nothing at all for their 'major placements' at this point) UNLESS there is a focused effort on a redefinition that includes self-investment. The PMP is a part of this movement IMHO.
 
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And now you understand the concept behind the Production MARKETPLACE.
 
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