Legal Dollaz
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You've done good young skywalker (troup)
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JAMESRRTT
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@troup come over to the darkside, we have cookies. lol
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shawty1
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I mean Legal just said Skywalker,
he didn't clarify as to if it were Anakin, Luke, or Mara Jade (extended universe) Skywalker.
if it's the very first-mentioned he'll be headed to the dark-side once he reaches the angst-rebellious teen years as seen in the prequels.
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Mdkw
Guest
can someone write short story of this thread?
fataltone
Holy Lamb Media & Ent.
“But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned” (Matt. 12:36-37).
“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers” (Eph. 4:29).
Profanity ppl those who are christians and using profanity needs to work on it
“Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving” (Eph. 5:4 NIV).
No check or mate only the Blood of Christ
we are bethren join together in one body Christians
1 Corinthians 1:10 10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
we are to judge I guess ppl forgot that
John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
we only judge whether something aligns with the truth of God’s word.
The word of God judges ppl and ppl don't like when ppl bring up scriptures that show their faults which is not a reason to fight but a reason to corrected
David when he slept with a married women he was judged by the Word of God told to him from a prophet also his bethren and David repented.
so use scripture so you don't become a stumbling block to other christians
some ppl who are Christians may not accept the judgement of the WORD that you have given to them but you have planted the seeds that Jesus Christ will water and through prayer and reading the Word reptenance with happen
bible study ended now for the day,get at me in pm if you want to learn more through discussion of scripture and applying it to the way we speak,dress,and our overall actions.
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“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers” (Eph. 4:29).
Profanity ppl those who are christians and using profanity needs to work on it
“Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving” (Eph. 5:4 NIV).
No check or mate only the Blood of Christ
we are bethren join together in one body Christians
1 Corinthians 1:10 10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
we are to judge I guess ppl forgot that
John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
we only judge whether something aligns with the truth of God’s word.
The word of God judges ppl and ppl don't like when ppl bring up scriptures that show their faults which is not a reason to fight but a reason to corrected
David when he slept with a married women he was judged by the Word of God told to him from a prophet also his bethren and David repented.
so use scripture so you don't become a stumbling block to other christians
some ppl who are Christians may not accept the judgement of the WORD that you have given to them but you have planted the seeds that Jesus Christ will water and through prayer and reading the Word reptenance with happen
bible study ended now for the day,get at me in pm if you want to learn more through discussion of scripture and applying it to the way we speak,dress,and our overall actions.
HOLY LAMB MEDIA & ENTERTAINMENT | HOLY LAMB MEDIA & ENTERTAINMENT | INTERVIEWS
One free hour of training/consulting click on the banner in the sig.
The Walking On Water Media/Ent. Business Coach Antonio
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Building Relationships to Build Success
Get the Information and Direction You Deserve
ProducerJC
IndieHost
Lol, mine's bigger than yours...
I didn't come to FP for validation from you or anyone else. On the other hand, since you brought it up, this is my AWSTAT summary from January. This info comes straight from my servers.
This is the only online validation I need.
Google Page Rank
ProducerJC
Producer JC | HOME - Rank 3
JTROUP
Welcome To IndustrySound.com - Rank 1
Obviously, my brand out ranks your based on Google's algorithms, which is sad when you consider the fact that your site was built in 2006 and mine was built in 2010. I would've thought your brand would out rank mine since you've been online longer. After doing the research, why should I listen to you talk about branding?
Alexa
ProducerJC
Producer JC | HOME
Global Traffic Rank: 736,350
United States Traffic Rank: 165,463
JTROUP
Welcome To IndustrySound.com
Global Traffic Rank: 14,562,928
United States Traffic Rank: N/A
Your brand sucks dude...
I didn't come to FP for validation from you or anyone else. On the other hand, since you brought it up, this is my AWSTAT summary from January. This info comes straight from my servers.
This is the only online validation I need.
Google Page Rank
ProducerJC
Producer JC | HOME - Rank 3
JTROUP
Welcome To IndustrySound.com - Rank 1
Obviously, my brand out ranks your based on Google's algorithms, which is sad when you consider the fact that your site was built in 2006 and mine was built in 2010. I would've thought your brand would out rank mine since you've been online longer. After doing the research, why should I listen to you talk about branding?
Alexa
ProducerJC
Producer JC | HOME
Global Traffic Rank: 736,350
United States Traffic Rank: 165,463
JTROUP
Welcome To IndustrySound.com
Global Traffic Rank: 14,562,928
United States Traffic Rank: N/A
Your brand sucks dude...
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zeeofafbllc
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wow! I don't even know this j.troup guy but wow! Considering the music business is moving everything toward the internet I don't know what to say...
Incredible....
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shawty1
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DevonBakerMusic
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Correct me if I'm wrong but based on these stats:
JTROUP created on average 2.3 Million visitors annually since 2006
ProducerJC created on average 368,000 visitors annually since 2010.
Also, consider the fact that the internet in 2006 was not as heavy usage as it was in 2010 and on.
I'd say JTROUP's brand does not suck, but that's just my opinion....or is it?
EDIT: Just realized these numbers are not traffic visits but rankings. I take it all back. Carry on now
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JeanLukPigheart
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You have to decide whether TROUP is a "we", "I" or an "it". A team, a vision or a strategy.
You are still confused about that, as you can read in the paragraphs about the different steps of a solution, using different "persona" (singular and/or plural) for the part of the solution in question.
No matter if you are alone, a team of 100...........a strategy is an "it"; an object of desire (iphone)/a strategy you offer that nobody else can bring to the table(itunes)/a certain vision which can be defined and categorized, yet without it being applied to a strategy/solution of a problem, can't be understood properly(itouchthescreen).
Keep "it" an "it", so you can claim, your company "has it".
Simple, yet effective. That's the way ideas work and this is the way language is being used to trigger a reaction.
If you don't get that down, effectively (read: elegantly), #4 of your sidebar-menu will apply (a word you seem to like a bit too much; find some synonyms):
"You can be replaced!!!"
P.S.: all of your statements "music is free", "albums are dead", "record deals don't exist anymore", "you can be replaced" are simple, yet very effective, NEGATIVE triggers.
Replace them with POSITIVE triggers and introduce the NEGATION in an "explanatory paragraph"; instead of "you can be replaced", a "how to become irreplaceable"............(then introduce the NEGATION "You can be replaced............BUT.......x and y, will show you how to still be the (Big) Mac Daddy")........instead of "record deals don't exist anymore", a "how to create your own label", etc...
Be positive. Not out of courtesy (after all, we know the world will end in December and shit), but since you want to trigger a POSITIVE reaction to your product, don't start with a NEGATION.
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Zonic
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You have to decide whether TROUP is a "we", "I" or an "it". A team, a vision or a strategy.
You are still confused about that, as you can read in the paragraphs about the different steps of a solution, using different "persona" (singular and/or plural) for the part of the solution in question.
No matter if you are alone, a team of 100...........a strategy is an "it"; an object of desire (iphone)/a strategy you offer that nobody else can bring to the table(itunes)/a certain vision which can be defined and categorized, yet without it being applied to a strategy/solution of a problem, can't be understood properly(itouchthescreen).
Keep "it" an "it", so you can claim, your company "has it".
Simple, yet effective. That's the way ideas work and this is the way language is being used to trigger a reaction.
If you don't get that down, effectively (read: elegantly), #4 of your sidebar-menu will apply (a word you seem to like a bit too much; find some synonyms):
"You can be replaced!!!"
P.S.: all of your statements "music is free", "albums are dead", "record deals don't exist anymore", "you can be replaced" are simple, yet very effective, NEGATIVE triggers.
Replace them with POSITIVE triggers and introduce the NEGATION in an "explanatory paragraph"; instead of "you can be replaced", a "how to become irreplaceable"............(then introduce the NEGATION "You can be replaced............BUT.......x and y, will show you how to still be the (Big) Mac Daddy")........instead of "record deals don't exist anymore", a "how to create your own label", etc...
Be positive. Not out of courtesy (after all, we know the world will end in December and shit), but since you want to trigger a POSITIVE reaction to your product, don't start with a NEGATION.
BAD ADVICE!
You need to hook people by introducing the problem FIRST in your headlines and then give them the solution.
"Why record deals don't exist anymore and how you can capitalize off this" is better than the boring "How to create your own label"
His headlines, although not perfect, are BOLD... bold enough that you had to comment on em... and that is the goal.
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j.troup
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Ugh...guess I gotta pull out my laptop. A mobile response won't do.
And I was napping so good.
Let me go pee, and I will address everything.
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Since you MUST CONTINUE PLAYING WHO'S IS BIGGER...Cuz now you're CLEARLY MAD, and doing everything you can to DISCREDIT ME.
lol...I love it when people try to pull out the Alexa page ranks against me. It's always hilarious.
1) IndustrySound.com was created in about April of 2009. Went hard with it for about a year. Then stopped and let it sit there. Anyone on this site can tell you that.
2) Over the years, I've owned/operated about 8 domains, all of which served a different purpose. I've had multiple Ustream channels (one of the primary functions of IndustrySound, racking up hundreds of thousands of viewer hours), a YouTube page (which is about a QUARTER MILLION HITS and counting), PMP page, Open Labs feature profile, on and on and on. J.TROUP (the brand) hasn't been limited to ONE place on the web. Matter fact, it's been all over the place, on all kinds of sites, social media postings, forums, etc, etc.
So attempting to "quantify" my scattered brand is difficult...and Alexa hardly does it.
And I'm happy you got 140,000 hits on your site in January. Your site got almost as many hits in a month AS SOME OF MY FP THREADS.
C'mon son. Seriously.
And in all your tunnel visioned rage, you seem to not be able to see one thing...
MY SUCK ASS BRAND HAS YOU SITTING AT YOUR COMPUTER, GOOGLING ME AND DOING INTERNET RESEARCH IN AN ATTEMPT TO INSULT ME.
Mighty powerful, wouldn't you say?
Now...moving on to more important matters.
And I was napping so good.
Let me go pee, and I will address everything.
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Since you MUST CONTINUE PLAYING WHO'S IS BIGGER...Cuz now you're CLEARLY MAD, and doing everything you can to DISCREDIT ME.
lol...I love it when people try to pull out the Alexa page ranks against me. It's always hilarious.
1) IndustrySound.com was created in about April of 2009. Went hard with it for about a year. Then stopped and let it sit there. Anyone on this site can tell you that.
2) Over the years, I've owned/operated about 8 domains, all of which served a different purpose. I've had multiple Ustream channels (one of the primary functions of IndustrySound, racking up hundreds of thousands of viewer hours), a YouTube page (which is about a QUARTER MILLION HITS and counting), PMP page, Open Labs feature profile, on and on and on. J.TROUP (the brand) hasn't been limited to ONE place on the web. Matter fact, it's been all over the place, on all kinds of sites, social media postings, forums, etc, etc.
So attempting to "quantify" my scattered brand is difficult...and Alexa hardly does it.
And I'm happy you got 140,000 hits on your site in January. Your site got almost as many hits in a month AS SOME OF MY FP THREADS.
C'mon son. Seriously.
And in all your tunnel visioned rage, you seem to not be able to see one thing...
MY SUCK ASS BRAND HAS YOU SITTING AT YOUR COMPUTER, GOOGLING ME AND DOING INTERNET RESEARCH IN AN ATTEMPT TO INSULT ME.
Mighty powerful, wouldn't you say?
Now...moving on to more important matters.
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JeanLukPigheart
Guest
"Headlines introducing the problem first":
"Hi, YOU ARE DYING OF CANCER!".
"Hi, YOU ARE WAY TOO FAT AND YOU ARE LOSING HAIR!"
"Hi, YOU ARE 65 AND YOU JUST PISSED YOURSELF!"
I'm being a bit direct, but maybe that way you will realize the problem.
Read that and my last post, having in mind that you are reading a post of someone who actually works in that area, not someone, who wants to be "bold" and WRITE in BOLD letters.
Otherwise, watch a nice talk by Kevin Roberts or watch some commercials.
That might help you realize the problem.........with introducing the problem first.
Or with "brands" in general.
Wedges2
AlphaMelee
I'd have to agree that if I saw "How to make your own label" I wouldn't click on it. I've already seen too many positive headlines without enough substance to actually back them up.
ESPECIALLY in music where people are always trying to sell far fetched dreams.
I think it's a good idea in this situation to be direct with problems, because it's going to get me, and a lot of other people, to click on the tabs.
Now troup just has to deliver on content, because if I click that tab and the content is weak I'm even more dissapointed than if it was a positive headline.
ESPECIALLY in music where people are always trying to sell far fetched dreams.
I think it's a good idea in this situation to be direct with problems, because it's going to get me, and a lot of other people, to click on the tabs.
Now troup just has to deliver on content, because if I click that tab and the content is weak I'm even more dissapointed than if it was a positive headline.
j.troup
New member
DISCLAIMER: NONE OF WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS IN A DEFENSIVE TONE, AND I HONESTLY APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THE FEEDBACK. I'M MERELY STATING MY POSITION AND SOME OF MY REASONS FOR MAKING THE DECISIONS THAT I'VE MADE:
I'm clear as to what TROUP is. TROUP is a company...an IT...say like "dummbunny". So from that perspective, it's a single entity, with a single name.
Also, TROUP is a WE. As in the people who live under the TROUP corporate umbrella...the people that make up the TROUP organization.
So it depends as to how it's being used in the sentence...as it can be interchangeable.
"TROUP is amazing..." (the company is amazing)
"The people at TROUP are geniuses"
The full name of the company is TROUP ARTEGIC CONSULTANTS
It's easier when you see the website in it's full functionality. Each one of those sections folds out, accordion style. So when someone hits the website, that first MUSIC IS FREE headline is open, and theres an introductory sentence under it, explaining the headline. I purposely closed it for the screen shot, cuz there's nothing there as of yet.
But...as far as positive vs negative goes. The point of those statements on the side is to CHALLENGE what potential clients thought they knew about the music industry, and completely turn on it's ear the "commonly accepted business practices" It's meant to SHOCK them into wanting to read further.
It's only in completely BREAKING DOWN WHAT POTENTIAL CLIENTS THOUGHT THEY KNEW about the music industry, that TROUP (the company, an it) can change their way of thinking about those things, and open them up to our (the Troup team members) "radical" approach.
So those statement/articles on the side are meant to be provocative. They are meant to be the BLUE PILL in The Matrix.
Because I (as in me, the leader of a team) don't want every dollar. If a potential client's primary goal is to sell records, then I can't help them. Nor do I want to.
So if them reading the article MUSIC IS FREE turns that client base AWAY from my services, then it's done it's job.
But for those that are intrigued by the concepts in those BLUE PILL ARTICLES, I encourage them to contact us (the team members, we) for more information.
The POSITIVE approach is what you see under the title headings.
BUSINESS STRATEGY
BRAND MANAGEMENT
PROJECT MANAGEMENT
IMAGE CONSULTING
That's where we (the members of the TROUP organization) can give you the insight and the tools you need to successfully navigate THE NEW MUSIC INDUSTRY.
I'm clear as to what TROUP is. TROUP is a company...an IT...say like "dummbunny". So from that perspective, it's a single entity, with a single name.
Also, TROUP is a WE. As in the people who live under the TROUP corporate umbrella...the people that make up the TROUP organization.
So it depends as to how it's being used in the sentence...as it can be interchangeable.
"TROUP is amazing..." (the company is amazing)
"The people at TROUP are geniuses"
The full name of the company is TROUP ARTEGIC CONSULTANTS
It's easier when you see the website in it's full functionality. Each one of those sections folds out, accordion style. So when someone hits the website, that first MUSIC IS FREE headline is open, and theres an introductory sentence under it, explaining the headline. I purposely closed it for the screen shot, cuz there's nothing there as of yet.
But...as far as positive vs negative goes. The point of those statements on the side is to CHALLENGE what potential clients thought they knew about the music industry, and completely turn on it's ear the "commonly accepted business practices" It's meant to SHOCK them into wanting to read further.
It's only in completely BREAKING DOWN WHAT POTENTIAL CLIENTS THOUGHT THEY KNEW about the music industry, that TROUP (the company, an it) can change their way of thinking about those things, and open them up to our (the Troup team members) "radical" approach.
So those statement/articles on the side are meant to be provocative. They are meant to be the BLUE PILL in The Matrix.
Because I (as in me, the leader of a team) don't want every dollar. If a potential client's primary goal is to sell records, then I can't help them. Nor do I want to.
So if them reading the article MUSIC IS FREE turns that client base AWAY from my services, then it's done it's job.
But for those that are intrigued by the concepts in those BLUE PILL ARTICLES, I encourage them to contact us (the team members, we) for more information.
The POSITIVE approach is what you see under the title headings.
BUSINESS STRATEGY
BRAND MANAGEMENT
PROJECT MANAGEMENT
IMAGE CONSULTING
That's where we (the members of the TROUP organization) can give you the insight and the tools you need to successfully navigate THE NEW MUSIC INDUSTRY.
ProducerJC
IndieHost
Ugh...guess I gotta pull out my laptop. A mobile response won't do.
And I was napping so good.
Let me go pee, and I will address everything.
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Since you MUST CONTINUE PLAYING WHO'S IS BIGGER...Cuz now you're CLEARLY MAD, and doing everything you can to DISCREDIT ME.
lol...I love it when people try to pull out the Alexa page ranks against me. It's always hilarious.
1) IndustrySound.com was created in about April of 2009. Went hard with it for about a year. Then stopped and let it sit there. Anyone on this site can tell you that.
2) Over the years, I've owned/operated about 8 domains, all of which served a different purpose. I've had multiple Ustream channels (one of the primary functions of IndustrySound, racking up hundreds of thousands of viewer hours), a YouTube page (which is about a QUARTER MILLION HITS and counting), PMP page, Open Labs feature profile, on and on and on. J.TROUP (the brand) hasn't been limited to ONE place on the web. Matter fact, it's been all over the place, on all kinds of sites, social media postings, forums, etc, etc.
So attempting to "quantify" my scattered brand is difficult...and Alexa hardly does it.
And I'm happy you got 140,000 hits on your site in January. Your site got almost as many hits in a month AS SOME OF MY FP THREADS.
C'mon son. Seriously.
And in all your tunnel visioned rage, you seem to not be able to see one thing...
MY SUCK ASS BRAND HAS YOU SITTING AT YOUR COMPUTER, GOOGLING ME AND DOING INTERNET RESEARCH IN AN ATTEMPT TO INSULT ME.
Mighty powerful, wouldn't you say?
Now...moving on to more important matters.
I'm not discrediting you, you're discrediting yourself. Why can't you see that?
Dude, I don't have any rage or anger toward you. It's hilarious how you seem to believe that you have the power to effect me emotionally. Honestly, I'm enjoying myself by watching you squirm out of dealing with the facts. BTW, you shouldn't take credit for web hits that don't belong to you. Those hits belong to FP, not you...
Also, why would you change your domain so many times?
Doing so adds confusion to the message you're brand conveys. You and your brand suffer anytime a change is made to it's online location; because, people don't know where to look for your brand.
ScorchinBeats
New member
Troup don't even front. You still a nobody in the industry.
Before you make shots at me, I'm not trying to break through in the industry. Music is a hobby for me so keep that in mind.
Before you make shots at me, I'm not trying to break through in the industry. Music is a hobby for me so keep that in mind.
j.troup
New member
You made an assumption again. I didn't say I've CHANGED domain names. I said I've HAD.
Most of them simultaneously, actually.
I had different aspects of my business, and some of those had separate domain names.
IndustrySound was the last domain name, and that was the establishment of a business entity.
I've never TAKEN AWAY an integral piece of my online presence...only added to them as the Business Strategy evolved.
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zeeofafbllc
Member
I believe that's why some of the posters on here have trouble agreeing with your statements. You stated your brand was "scattered".
As an internet marketer/entrepreneur, I've studied the factors that go into google page rank, alexa, etc in depth. The common goal for knowing these factors is to use them to drive traffic to your web prescene, namely your own website. I would dare say that any business executive would want one place to direct traffic and business, even if he/she were using other outlets such as those mentioned below:
Even with all the traffic to the threads, futureproducers.com only has a page rank of 4. So the fact that Producer JC has produced these figures is quite impressive.
Future Producers Page Rank = 4
Just to clarify for those who are unfamiliar with SEO/page rank here are some resources:
Keywords
External and Internal Links (measures site reputation)
Freshness of Pages/Content
Web Traffic (measures popularity)
Page Views
More Google Page Rank Factors
SEO Resources
SEO for Beginners
My question to Mr. Troup from businessman to businessman is why isn't your web presence stronger given the current climate of the music industry? You seem to be knowledgeable, but from an outsider looking in the numbers don't add up. With the 8 web domains you own which is your primary online business vehicle? With the Industrysound.com link in your signature, I would've expected that to be it. Could you please clarify?
Also does your company have a website? I can't find it anywhere online...
I tried looking for a company logo too and this is what google gave me...
Respectfully,
Zee
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JeanLukPigheart
Guest
Gotcha, but that's on the side of the people who offer products, not strategies.
Hence why models or Michael Schumacher can sell a car and why Beyonce can sell some perfume, but "normal" people sell services.
I don't want to watch a commercial, which suggests that Brad Pitt will be taking care of my roof, because that's "far fetched" (even though his hobby, or better said, his second job is to buy houses in bad shape and turn them into "extravagant villas" again
). You are reacting rationally to a product, or at least that's what you claim explaining WHY you react to a product. The reality can be pretty different. That's why many agencies spend millions finding out what people really want and not just doing some surveys, where people simply think rationally (which in reality, is not how they react to a product).
If it was any other way, there'd be no commercials, just a page of text listing all the advantages of buying this product and what sets it apart from the competition.
What I don't like about most service-based sites is something completely different.
I don't get an emotional response, because there's not much to respond to.
And it has a simple reason. For physical products, sometimes I can live with just seeing the product (say, a nice shot of the Breitling, the new pair of Nike's, etc...).
When it comes to services, I think of problems, obstacles and solutions. And I want people to take care of them.
So what's missing in most sites are...........pictures of people.
Be it the founder (in this case it would be Troup), some manager leaning over the shoulder of an employee, helping her/him (thus saying "we are all about team work.............and right now, we work on solving YOUR problem!).
Simply put: people want to sell services, they want to deal with their customers, but they don't (re)present themselves, visually, on their websites.
And I don't mean it in the "here's my pic and my bio"-sense.
It's like, Fataltone can talk about his "Jesus lifestyle" all he wants and add 50 lines of text to his messages' signatures (annoying, btw).............but unless I go to his website and I don't see a big ass church from a perspective, with a crowd in front of it, or at least a gospel choir with a cross in the background, I ain't buying that shit.
People want to deal with people. Make them feel as if they did, by associating your face (other people's faces) with your services, on your website.
That's why these "direct, face-to-face" Youtube channels became so popular. I bet some of the top Soundclick producers also have their own picture/image as part of their "company logo"/background.