Online Diggin' & Sampling

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Scratch n Beat said:
False.

You couldn't possibly be an experienced digger. You think everything that has EVER been recorded is online? Thats crazy. There's plenty of times I find a Gem in the crates, but don't like the quality and try to search for the mp3 of it, and its nowhere to be found.

That being said, nothing is wrong with online digging (Fly Sh*t and Soul Sh*t on my myspace both came from L*mewire), but I tend to have better odds going thru crates. But definitely use all your resources, because online digging is free.


You'll be surprise what you'll find if your Internet digging skills are strong. L*mewire in my opinion is not the way to go to find rare samples anyway.

It's a shame that kids now-a-days no nothing about record diggin'. They have absolutely no patience for anything, if they can't find that "hot" sample in 3 seconds of diggin' they quit, hop on the internet and look for something else. :(
 
Who says artists don't benefit from used sales? Just because they don't make their two cents royalty doesn't mean they don't benefit. Performers don't get paid for having their music broadcast on FM radio, but no one would argue that a performer is receiving no benefit just because s/he didn't make any money.

If a record is constantly being scoured for, and people continuously buy it, there's a reasonably good chance that some record company will buy the rights (cha ching) and re-release it (double cha ching). If it looks like a product has some sort of commercial value, someone somewhere will release it.

Let's not forget the obvious benefit to a community of having a profitable business. Record store owners have bills, too, and if you buy a record, it might leave them with enough money to stock new records. It might not benefit that specific artist, but it benefits the culture.

Besides record/CD stores have massive overhead to cover, they make more money from a used CD sale than a new one. So those used CDs are what's allowing these record store to stay open and stock new music by other artists.

But on another note, the idea that someone bought a record and put it online being the same thing is a faulty analogy. Only ONE person has to buy a record ONCE and put it online ONE time. That's it. A thousand people, or a million people will download from that ONE measly purchase. That's not nearly the same as a market for reselling records. If a store sells 100 used copies of Nirvana's Nevermind, then 100 copies were definitely bought at one time or another.

EDIT: I use the term "record store" and "records" and "CD" loosely. What I'm really referring to are music vendors and the different types of media they sell

I was a record store employee for about 5 years, I can attest to the fact that we always stocked new versions of albums we sold a lot of used copies of. The used market is a great measure of demand for a product. We could risk buying a used obscure funk CD for $2, sell it at $5 or $6, and if it moved fast, we knew that it was probably a good idea to try and stock a new copy of the album.

Think about it like this: in a record store, every new CD (record, video, whatever) must sell at least 2 copies in a year to "pay the rent for the shelfspace" meaning that if something didn't sell two copies last year, it's wasting space and costing money. Trust me, outside of the very top mainstream, very few CDs move 2 units a year in one store. Something like only 5% - 10% of the total stock. Luckily, that 10% sells maybe 2 copies *a week*, and is thus "paying the rent" for all the CDs that don't sell. But no decent record store only stocks mainstream hits, you need that more outsider stuff because people who buy outsider music tend to buy *lots* of music. So a lot of record stores cover the cost of their genre specific music by selling loads of used CDs. (The average profit on a new CD is about $2, but a used CD can net $4 or $5 profit. You do the math about what's keeping the vendors, and thus the suppliers in business. Also remember that most labels/distributors don't accept returns for stuff that doesn't sell, so once a CD hits the shelf, the artist already got their money)
 
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I think it's entirely possible for someone to get every sample they have online, respect the artists, constantly seek new stuff, be original, etc. What we all strive to be.

Do i think this reflects online digging, HELL NO. I see people with a full page of reflipped samples. I know some people think a sample can be flipped over and over, i'm not going to get into that, but if that's all you have done, i don't really concider you a producer. Secondly, i see a big tendency to use generic **** with people who get samples online. It's sort of the run of the mill sound that everyone has. Lastly, i see alot of people who get samples online flip things the same as others because they learned how to produce online. I could go on but it doesn't matter





Lets be real, it doesn't really matter what the source is, if it's vinyl, digital. If it doesn't make you lazy, i don't know, it's fine. But you miss out. I think you are far more likely to develop a unique style if you really go out and search instead of download. You always run into fellow producers, etc. Sometimes you run into some old timers and they help you out. Sometimes you get mean looks because people thinking you are ****ing up good music (i know alot of you have to know about that). It's the atmosphere for me. It's interacting. I think alot of people who get their samples online also really never get off line and see other people producer, collect records and conversate first hand.
 
^^ co-sign 3D Beats.

I just think the downloaders should try vinyl. Because it's fun. I mean, what agenda do other record diggers have in suggesting y'all listen to vinyl? None. We actually don't want you buying our ****. But it's fun, beneficial, cheap, gets original samples....what's not to like? I can download too, but y'all are missing out. But whatever...it's like a broken record around here.
 
Speak on it

Stréetwíze Productnz said:
There is no such thing as online digging. If a song is on the internet then its GUARANTEED to have been flipped at least 1000 by different people.

I agree with madface, people are either lazy or just lack the passion.



Producers are doing the same thing DJ's have gotten into and are trying leave the vinyl behind for the convience of the MP3. As long as its around I'll be spinning it. Can you even be into hip hop without a turntable. Its like never owning a pair of adidas.
 
New here... I have to admit I do both... been diggin vinyl for well over a decade, nearly two (I'm 29), but I realize there's always a genre I haven't given a good listen to. I DON'T download music for free PERIOD. ******** is for porn and nothing else on my computer. I do have memberships at places like emusic.com and I use the hell out of my itunes so I can constantly check on those tracks I've heard about, but can't find.... Admittedly I skipped a hell of a lot of the thread b/c I'm not really tryin to read seven pages, but someone of the first page you can find any track ever recorded... I can name one right now that you won't find, and it was popular... Nice and Smooth, the track is We Are Number One... tried to find it for an old school head who's a good friend of mine... never could. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg... BTW if anyone has this track on MP3 hit me up...

Peace

TeachONE
 
adidas are fukin disgusting.. thats a horrible analogy

and thats coming from a sneaker head..

TeachONE said:
. ******** is for porn and nothing else on my computer.

you kno they have a youtube porn site, so no more worryin bout viruses buddy..

youtube has got u covered lmfao
 
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Since when was it ok to brag about how you aquired you illegal porn downloads. This guy is a Michael Jackson / R Kelly girl status pervert
 
i see what everyone is saying and i may get into vynel one day. Thing is im not even sure where i would start with that. anyone know of any good record places in Toronto.


TeachONE said:
but someone of the first page you can find any track ever recorded... I can name one right now that you won't find, and it was popular... Nice and Smooth, the track is We Are Number One...

how much u wanna bet that i can find that?

ok that was quick. il post it on z share...

z share.net/
audio/47293694d701ae/
 
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there is nothing like going to a used record store and buying a piece of vinly that's a classic but i perfer rolling the dice on buying vinly and when i comes to downloading i just download it all and sort it out later
 
Xabiton said:
Since when was it ok to brag about how you aquired you illegal porn downloads. This guy is a Michael Jackson / R Kelly girl status pervert

Let he that does not have porn on his computer cast the first stone....
 
Scratch n Beat said:
Let he that does not have porn on his computer cast the first stone....
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I Like Gettin Records From Tha Record Store And Flippin em'...
But I Look At It Like This......A Samples A Sample...No Matter Where u get it
U can get a sample from online and make it Hot
Just Like Gettin a Record
 
Stréetwíze Productnz said:
There is no such thing as online digging. If a song is on the internet then its GUARANTEED to have been flipped at least 1000 by different people.

I agree with madface, people are either lazy or just lack the passion.


Wow, not true at ALL.. smh at this thread. Saying that digging online isn't "digging" is like saying you're not making beats unless it's on an MPC. Also, while you are partially right about songs online being dug by everyone, there are certain individuals out there who dig extra-hard for days just to find unknown, obscure samples online - I'm one of them. And since ya'll are the experts on sampling, I challenge each and every one of you to spot the samples in my tracks on my soundclick, since they've been raped by everyone and their mother. You might be able to find ONE AT MOST, because I couldn't help myself and sampled a dope Bob James record.

Music is music.. samples are samples. Stop bein snobs.
 
Taken ish to seriously...

I ain't tryin to argue, so ya'll can believe what you want, but I was makin a point about illegal dl's with music with the porn comment... At any rate I stand corrected on the Nice n Smooth track... Thanks... My boy is gonna be exstatic.... that's a site I will be goin back to...

Peace
 
Yeah, I can find almost anything online an I do, but love to buy vinyl and prefer to use it for producing. As long as technology advances people will use it so it's irelevent to judge people on what they use because it's their music and they have the right to do what they want, besides diggers act like it affects their lives negatively if anything that's less cats at the bin. Smell what I'm saying
 
lol props

madface said:
Whatever it is, it doesn't deserved to be called digging, don't get it confused with crate digging.

Keep that **** far away from the culture of crate digging.

People are mostly lazy now a days. Or you just got no love for music and you'd rather download MP3's and rape the **** out of any artist you can find to make a quick buck.

Herbs.
 
I have got to agree that there is a certain gratification that you get when you find that obscure album in the basement of some dusty record store compared to finding something online. I don't know if it is the "hands on" thing or if it is the physical search but, it does feel like you discovered Tut's tomb or something. In no way am I knockin anybodies techniques. I know I am guilty of both but, I don't get the same feeling from both.
 
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