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[F_or_DEAF]
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true...
but people didn't really give the XXL beat submission guy too hard of a time if i recall correctly...
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...for example
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true...
but people didn't really give the XXL beat submission guy too hard of a time if i recall correctly...
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...for example
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Then all we ask is you practice what you preach, cause your past posting do not reflect what you are saying now. No one is hating, when you are the one that invited all the viewers to your talk show, now you want everybody to be quiet and not comment.
This is exactly what politicians do . Do as I say - not as I do. The mindstate of a true elitist is how you sound. Down-talking all the new members, because you have been here so long.
You said it yourself they need to be housebroken in another thread not too long again.
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I couldn't agree more. All this hollerin' you're doing with these crazy font's and getting mad at people for critiqing your business that you constantly promote including in this thread repeatedly, all just makes you sound ridiculous.
And I would be lying if I said that there isn't any validity to what has been said about this situation and really it all comes down to what you've been doing.
None of us came looking for you...you came looking for us. Now you can say that maybe we're not your target audience and you don't care what we think or do, but that again is just something that maybe you aren't executing right when you are promoting your business.
I think your actions contradict a lot of what you've said in this thread and in others recently and your website itself contradicts what you say you are doing.
I think the best thing would be to stop responding to posts like these and just get back to work. As you can see from the number of posts I've made since I've been a member, it's easy to tell that I work more than I talk. And when I do talk, it is very specific and almost 100% never self-promotional.
I literally look at this website as a place where there are thousands trying to do the same thing I am doing at this very same moment in time. I assume they are going through the same struggles that I am and have the same goals that I do. Maybe the route that we take to reach those goals are different because of our own personal preferences, but at the end of the day, I come to this website for only 2 reasons...
1. To conversate with other people that are also attempting to become financially stable on music and music alone...
2. To provide my knowledge on music production to those that ask specific questions that I feel can't be answered entirely by a quick search.
Now, I'm not saying you aren't doing the same thing because I think it's great that your post up your mix sessions for people and such.
But I do have to say that there is a problem here with your ability to take criticism and the way you give criticism to some people (based on the complaints we keep hearing and quotes that have been posted up).
It's completely unprofessional, yet we all can tell everything you're trying to do is pressing for that professional vibe. That is based on the "qualifications" you posted up on who is allowed to critique you lol. Now I know you didn't SAY "this is who is allowed to critique me", but that is how people are going to take it. And that's just something that seems to be way over your head.
Like the many who already pointed this out, I'm going to add that this is all a part of our society. It's how things work. You promote, it's going to get attention. But it's up to YOU what kind of attention. And it really is ridiculous to blame the kind of attention you're getting on the people giving it to you, which I know you never said you blamed anyone for anything, but it's still just how people are going to (obviously already have) read your posts.
So like I said...I'd just get back in the studio and stop commenting on posts like these and even this one. Stop telling the people who already don't like you what you're doing or what you're not doing or telling them you're not going to tell them anything or whatever. If you're not going to tell them anything then why post anything at all instead of avoiding questions or pointing fingers or posting up someone else's quotes to show them where they f'd themselves in their argument. It all just irrelevant and just not a good look at all. I'm going to give you the best advice you've ever gotten from anyone on this site if you actually listen for once...
Just stop man. Work on your music and let that speak as your credits instead of posting up foggy details about your publishing deal with blah blah. (Don't know how you let someone do that to you in the beginning anyway).
If you have a problem with anything I said then you PM me instead of posting your business up in front of everyone to read like some springer show. Same with anyone else who has problems in here with someone in paticular. Message them. Why risk you sounding like you're getting mad at an avatar on the Internet? Because even when YOU don't think you sound mad, ignorant, indulgent whatever, someone else will when it comes to commenting on posts like these. It's not helping anyone, especially yourself.
I try my best to stick with my two reasons why I come here and it has kept me out of trouble for the most part.
There might not be a such thing as bad publicity but there is a such thing as public perception...You don't sound too happy with yours right now and I hope you don't sit there and say "I don't care." because it's business. Hopefully this sh!t only happens to you on this website and you are professional in your other ventures. Does seem that way when I watched a couple shows.
I hope you listen...peace
j.troup
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What exactly do people want me to give proof of?
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Thing is...People on here talk all kinds of crap about me...and then when I respond, people tell me stop being so defensive.
So it's okay for people to hurl darts at me, but it's not okay for me to put up my shield?
lol.
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I can't let you get away with that. It is the other way around.
1. You attack,
2. new member defends,
3. troup returns,
4. other members insue on target cause he is not known
5. new member banned.
This is how the story goes.
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dwells
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Like me?
But listing your valid accomplishments after you have been asked is not bragging.
We are asking for validity and proof, not good intentions and attempts. Not things that didn't work out, I've attempted many many things that didn't work out. the things that didn't work out don't count, the only thing that matters is the results. Results matter!!
You are leading us to believe things that my not exactly be entirely accurate. A few of us that have been there and done that are in doubt.
This is what I think is going on.
I believe that you are still aspiring trying to get placements, but not having any success thus far in doing so.
I believe that you are a local producer with a nice buzz in your region. most rappers in your area know you and want to work with you.
I believe that you have a nice day job, actually I think you make a lot of money doing whatever you do. and this gives you plenty of income to pursue your passion in production.
I believe that you have met a few industry folks, a few of them know you but they really don't have a desire to work with you as of yet.
I believe that you have been getting press from local publications. I also know that you can buy your way into the magazines. but it's still a good thing.
I believe that you are frustrated with where you are at in your music career.
This is what I see
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I haven't posted in a minute....
there. done.
there. done.
[F_or_DEAF]
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and that's the thing Troup.
the main point where you kinda caught yourself up at is by not COMMITTING 100%...
meaning, that whenever you answer a question or inquiry, you usually only answer 50%-ish; vaguely, and w/ enough room for you to re-word and / or retract your claims later.
a lot of your answers to people's questions always have a "way out", a way that the claim can't be 100% denied, or 100% proven...too much GRAY AREA in your responses...and people are getting kinda fed up w/ it.
as ironic as it may sound, i think some people consider you a "STUDIO" PRODUCER...(in context: "studio" gangster)
the main point where you kinda caught yourself up at is by not COMMITTING 100%...
meaning, that whenever you answer a question or inquiry, you usually only answer 50%-ish; vaguely, and w/ enough room for you to re-word and / or retract your claims later.
a lot of your answers to people's questions always have a "way out", a way that the claim can't be 100% denied, or 100% proven...too much GRAY AREA in your responses...and people are getting kinda fed up w/ it.
as ironic as it may sound, i think some people consider you a "STUDIO" PRODUCER...(in context: "studio" gangster)
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SKWIDMARX
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this thread will not die... if people didn't know about jtroup and industrysound.com before..they do now.... im jumpin on the bandwagon of tellin troup what he should n shouldn't do.... TROUP you should hold off on pushing outta my face and push inside my love when you finish it... that songs gonna be hot... im no nutthugger... just someone who respects the man for his show and tutorials because I've learned a lot by watching your vidz im sure your critics have also .. never woulda known about openlabs , never woulda bought a miko. this thread will live forever
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j.troup
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Actually no, you. If that was the case, I'd call your name out.
I've done that. I keep doing that. But people think i'm lying. So it is what it is. No matter how many websites my face pop up on, no matter how many people say my name, no matter what...people don't believe.
I'll never scan a check to show them dollar amounts. I'll never call people up to prove I know someone. I'll never scan any type of detailed business documents to show people (again). I'll never scan emails...nothing. I'll just never stoop that low to people's level.
Funny thing is...when that high profile manager called me about possibly taking me on as a client, I was videotaping a video blog of me taking my Miko out of the box. So it's all on film. Has been since May of 2008...
And I've never uploaded it.
I switched up from trying to get placements probably around the early part of 2009.
Absolutely NO BUZZ in my region. People don't even know who I am around here. More people know who I am in New York than know who I am here. I never wanted to deal with the local BS that goes on in the music market.
That's correct.
I've met my fair share of industry folks, who I still have relationships with. Some I do business with (outside of album placements), and some I'm just cool with. One has told me that since I won't sign to them, then we prob won't be doing business. I understood, and we're still cool to this day.
No local press. I don't do anything locally. I have had magazines with national circulation call me about featuring me in columns, but I don't pursue local press. I wanted to avoid the type of hate that I get on the internet.
I'm always frustrated, because i'm ALWAYS reaching to be further along than I am. Just like scoring 30 points frustrated MJ, what may seem great to some people isn't good enough for me.
I'm happy with my progress. I think I'm making great timing, and couldn't be more pleased with the opportunities that come my way. Of course, there could always be more.
What I am frustrated with is working 2 jobs. It kills me. I'm frustrated with not being able to find good people for the team. I'm frustrated with having to do everything myself.
So I'll always be frustrated with where I am, because I'm always looking down the road, trying to figure out how to get there faster. I'm an over achiever...always have been. And we have the gift and the curse of never being satisfied.
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People can consider me what they want. I am a studio producer. I record produce records in my studio, and I license them out.
Just like every other PRODUCER in the world.
And this is the part where I stop posting on FP for the evening. I'm leaving the day job, and I have dinner plans.
Let real life begin. Peace.
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The same info Jtroup has you can have. It is not some big secret. Just start learning the industry. Everybody learns from everybody on the mixing game, but Openlabs is just like knowing about protools.
When I first started, I was the only one who wanted to familiarize myself with Guitar Center Musicians Friends,etc. Just order a catalog and start reading . That's how you learn the equipment game. These things are not some hidden knowledge. These are the days of the internet. YOU THINK IT- GOOGLE IT- YOU FOUND IT!
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Everything we would ever need to become rich and powerful and sophisticated is within our reach. The major reason that so few take advantage of all that we have is simply, neglect.[/FONT]
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This is the stuff I'm talking about. I don't know anybody that will refuse this. Even Destiny's Child's Beyonce are in local magazine still to this day. Giving interviews. A lot of famous people and producers give interviews to small press. What does that have to do with hate? ANY PRESS IS GOOD.
To be hot and known in your region is always major plus. Especially for a producer, To have a hometown hero that made it is always a plus.
If it wasn't you wouldn't see major people doing it. This sounds bogus.
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dwells
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local press opens up more opportunities. sometime local press is more important than the larger publications. Sometime more people (in that area) read the local press than the nation press.
Troup you might want to hit up local press and help get your name out more in your community.
Troup you might want to hit up local press and help get your name out more in your community.
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This is what keep confirming to me that he is not truthful. Cause this music business 101 right here. Not rocket science.
[F_or_DEAF]
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i'm sure there are many people who would pay good money to see Troup get POLYGRAPHED on industrysound.com.
a live stream where Troup answers his viewers' questions while hooked up to a lie-detector...
lol.
that would be the day...
a live stream where Troup answers his viewers' questions while hooked up to a lie-detector...
lol.
that would be the day...
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MADMAN used the term 'business 101' as well pretty often.... hmmmm
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I wouldn't pay but it would be something. Got to go eat that Olive Garden now. Hmm... Maybe Carrabba'si'm sure there are many people who would pay good money to see Troup get POLYGRAPHED on industrysound.com.
a live stream where Troup answers his viewers' questions while hooked up to a lie-detector...
lol.
that would be the day...
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"Business of Music 101" is that better. Take a chill and relax. Didn't "Madman" ban himself from the forum. ok, Carrabba's won.
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dwells
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I use music business 101 often. actually it's more like #music101 gotta keep it under 140
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Every last one of you have the same agenda, wording, grammar(or lack of) nomatter how well you try to discuise it, and use the same damn computer. Seriously GTFOH with the bullsh*t.
I called the bich Lisa2345 every post but you can get the number's exact. Who you foolin?
You wanna expose liars, start with your own truth. Keep it 100.
Who are you?
What "facility" are you at?
Why do you manage to have the exact same anti-troup agenda as everyone else and type using CAPS like everyone else in your "facility?"
Thought so, how you fake over the net? NVMD, guess that's easier than being fake in person. I hope you're like 14 years old stuntin'. If you a grown man this obsessed with another grown man...I don't gotta tell you, you already know you need a f**king life.
Now tell me I don't know sh*t about IP adresses again. Tell me how wrong I am. Clown ass loser. "I can't perma ban you". Muhfukka, it take you 10 times as long to make a new acct as it takes me to ban you. So who's got the free time?
Y'all dudes up here is cornballs.
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j.troup
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Lol. So I'm a fraud because I don't want to be known on a local level.
I gave my reasons. I want to avoid the local press, and local noteriety. I gave my reasons, and they've served me well.
I'm not in this for "fame". I don't want that from this area, because I don't want to deal with the repercussions of it. There's too much illegal activity going on in the local music scene, and too much drama.
TI's boy was killed by our local music scene.
No thank you.
But what's funny is that I answered questions directly, and because I gave an answer that's contrary to what other people think I should be doing, I'm a fraud.
See, it'll never be good enough for you.
I'm going to dinner.
I gave my reasons. I want to avoid the local press, and local noteriety. I gave my reasons, and they've served me well.
I'm not in this for "fame". I don't want that from this area, because I don't want to deal with the repercussions of it. There's too much illegal activity going on in the local music scene, and too much drama.
TI's boy was killed by our local music scene.
No thank you.
But what's funny is that I answered questions directly, and because I gave an answer that's contrary to what other people think I should be doing, I'm a fraud.
See, it'll never be good enough for you.
I'm going to dinner.
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dwells
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I understand that quite well, I'm from Chicago. And Chicago's music scene is a hot mess, and lots of shady **** and illegal **** is in it. but not everyone in the scene is trouble, there are a few rotten apples, but there are also a few ripe ones. the trick is learning how to spot the bad ones before you take a bite.
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you are in the DMV? I have a friend who holds pretty nice beat battles out there.
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