I decided i'm giving music up...

[j.troup]

it is possible for more than one person to use a computer

This studio has computers in it, so of course the same I.P. address will show.

Prove it. Go to the command line and do an IP config of your machine right now, and paste a screenshot to FP. Then a mod can run a check on your IP.



(btw, only one computer per IP address. Computer's can't share IP's)



No proof = lie. Isn't that the standard you hold me to? lol

 

[No Hate]

I'm just telling you the case. I did get a little pissed yesterday, but Madman is another producer here, not me. I will take claim to my username Jazzbot and Radiokilla other than that , whatever.

I'm not gonna debate about it. Just clearing up the facts. So if I rubbed you the wrong way sorry.

 

[barrettj]

Prove it. Go to the command line and do an IP config of your machine right now, and paste a screenshot to FP. Then a mod can run a check on your IP.



(btw, only one computer per IP address. Computer's can't share IP's)



No proof = lie. Isn't that the standard you hold me to? lol

and this concludes any arguement lol

 

[j.troup]

I'm just telling you the case. I did get a little pissed yesterday, but Madman is another producer here, not me. I will take claim to my username Jazzbot and Radiokilla other than that , whatever.

I'm not gonna debate about it. Just clearing up the facts. So if I rubbed you the wrong way sorry.

So I got an entire facility full of producers, who just happen to be familiar with intimate details of my production career, taking time out of their day to create multiple accounts on FP to respond to each and every post that I make??


Damn...I need to send y'all a thank you card or something. I didn't know I meant so much to a whole facility of producers.



What about an autographed picture? Will that work? Who should I make them out to?

 

[dwells]

Read both these statement...you added in words that completely change the connotation of the post. The things in red are things that I didn't say, but things you inferred...

Originally Posted by dwells
Troup, you might want to re-examine this statement.

please correct me if I am wrong.

you are saying, industry folks are calling you to fly you out and do various music related things and you haven't gotten a single placement from this.

What exactly are industry folks paying to fly you out for? you don't have a placement so obviously they aren't flying you here or there for you to work on their albums.

You did say major (as in major label or that level) business opportunities. and they are calling you personally to offer these opportunities.


It's just this statement is very suspect and contradictory. I'm just trying to clear it up.

Originally Posted by j.troup
People in the industry know me. My phone rings with major business opportunities. People call me wanting to feature me on their websites and magazines. I get calls wanting to fly me here and there to do various music related things...

ALL WITHOUT A SINGLE MAJOR PLACEMENT.

I said major business opportunities. As in significant. Very few of my business opportunities have been with the "major labels" that you know of. Sometimes it's with an affiliated publishing company. Sometimes it's with a television network. Sometimes it's with a European firm that's doing music business that doesn't involve selling CD's.



My statement was that you don't have to have a MAJOR PLACEMENT to get checks from your music work.

I don't have a single major placement, but yet there are plenty of industry people that know me, and that pick up the phone when I call, and return emails when I email them.

A high profile manager called me in 2008 about signing me. In fact one of his/her clients is often on many of the Favorite Producer lists that I've seen posted here. His/Her clients won grammy's at this years awards.



You don't need major placements to do business within the industry of music. That's what people need to understand. This is why I've previously posted the things that i'm doing. To inspire people to realize that there's a WHOLE ENTIRE INDUSTRY outside of the Big 3 that are releasing CD's for people to purchase.

But that's the only thing that people are focused on...


Well that and trying to make themselves feel better by convincing themselves that I'm NOT really doing the things that I say I am.



I don't have any reason to lie about anything. I state the facts. If people infer something that I didn't state (as you did), then that's not on me.

I understand, I just needed clarification.

But when you say:

"People in the industry know me. My phone rings with major business opportunities."

I assume you are referring to people in the industry (industry folks) calling you about opportunities they are offering.

maybe you should have phrased it differently:

My phone rings with business opportunities. People call me wanting to feature me on their websites and magazines. I get calls wanting to me to fly here and there to do various music related things...

ALL WITHOUT A SINGLE MAJOR PLACEMENT.

 

[No Hate]

who just happen to be familiar with intimate details of my production career, taking time out of their day to create multiple accounts on FP to respond to each and every post that I make??

No proof = lie. Isn't that the standard you hold me to? lol

This is what everybody's been asking you to do from day one. Stop the contridictions and prove. I am not gonna debate, cause I already know they think I'm Madman all so. Forget it. Just start coming clean.

Like I said yesterday. You will always make this threads longer cause you have to defend your contridictions.

You said yourself, you are an open book on F.P. So of course, everybody on the forum knows about you. cause you post it with your website.


Say whatever after me . I GOT TO MAKE A RUN.


OH NO!!!,, I just used caps, I'm must be santa claus now.

 

[dwells]

what does that mean, exactly? kind of like reality tv?.

that is a very interest analogy, reality tv is heavily edited, where things appear to be completely different.

 

[j.troup]

I understand, I just needed clarification.

But when you say:
I assume you are referring to people in the industry (industry folks) calling you about opportunities they are offering.

maybe you should have phrased it differently:

They were two separate statements, separated by a period. Two completely different thoughts.


People in the industry know me.


My phone rings with major business opportunities.






I really need to get off the internet. FP in particular. Me dragging myself down to troll level makes me look bad.



I'm done.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

That means when you live your life with the shades up, you get all kinds of people talking sh*t about what's in your house.

lol...even the bums be talkin' shyt, huh?

 

[Live a Dream]

So I got an entire facility full of producers, who just happen to be familiar with intimate details of my production career, taking time out of their day to create multiple accounts on FP to respond to each and every post that I make??


Damn...I need to send y'all a thank you card or something. I didn't know I meant so much to a whole facility of producers.



What about an autographed picture? Will that work? Who should I make them out to?

LMAO this sh*t is hilarious!!!!!!

 

[dwells]

Thing is...WHO THE FCUK ARE OTHER PEOPLE TO CRITIQUE ME ON MY CRAFT?!?!?

They need to be critiquing THEIR OWN SH*T, and stop worrying about what my music sounds like, and maybe they would actually be doing something worth someone paying attention to.


I get sick of being the topic of people's conversation. Get a life.


When I ask for people's opinions, that's one thing. But people go OUT OF THEIR WAY to hurl their opinions and critiques at me, when I didn't ask for them.

You are in a public place asking people to pay attention to you and your work. You have succeeded in that my internet acquaintance, unfortunately I don't think you like the attention you are receiving. Maybe if you stop promoting yourself as often, people will stop 'knocking' you. but this will also affect your work. It's a double edged sword, and you need to wield it more carefully.

If they were further along then I was, then maybe I could lend some sort of validity to what they are saying. But 99% of the people that have opinions on what I should do and how I should do it, HAVEN'T SET FOOT OUTSIDE OF THEIR BEDROOMS.




How you (in general, not YOU) gon tell me what I should do? You've never produced a record. Never recorded a singer or rapper. Never even had an artist on one of your beats. Never gotten a CD pressed up. Never seen a contract. Never took a trip. Never sat down in front of a major label A&R and played your tracks. Never talked to a Music Supervisor. Never created a website. Never started a business. Never gotten a check...

AIN'T NEVER DONE SH*T BESIDES MAKE A BEAT AND UPLOAD IT TO THE INTERNET​

So what qualifies the critics to try to tell me what to do, when the only thing you've PRODUCED is INTERNET TRAFFIC?!?!?



What I have to learn is to not open my mouth so much. And what other people have to learn is how to stop being MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKS.


If you ain't out there on the field, then STFU.




And if you take offense to this, then I'M TALKING TO YOU.

This is a very interesting statement. True, many people here are green. but there are a few people here who are further along than yourself (such as I) It might behoove you to listen to those further along than yourself, just as it would behoove me to do the same. I'm pretty sure there are a few individuals here that are further along than me, I have my suspicions of whom they are.

 

[j.troup]

lol...even the bums be talkin' shyt, huh?

People who are homeless as a muhfcuka have the nerve to be talking sh*t.


Ain't got a boot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

 

[dwells]

EVER WATCH A TALK SHOW.


1. THE AUDIENCE COMMENTS ON THE TOPIC.

2. THEN THE GUEST GETS MAD THAT THE AUDIENCE IS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SAID TOPIC.

3. TELLS THE AUDIENCE TO STAY OUT OF MY LIFE.

4. WHY DID YOU COME ON THE SHOW IF YOU DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO ANALYZE YOUR LIFE.

5. ATTENTION WHORE IS THE RESULT.




No one hates anyone. Now you asking for sympathy. When you are the one that goes and give your opinions to others. Downgrading them. It is all over this forum.




Now you hiding behind this feel sorry for me bit.


Stop posting your life on F.P. Then no one can comment on it.

Some of us know there are holes in your story, that is why we ask you question the same way you go at people.


The only people you fool are new producers coming in the game cause they have no experience to counteract your stories.

Believe their is no hate. You also shouting out names when you know these people don't know you. As if that will impress people.

I have respect for dwells, whitehotpro, etc. cause they don't come off cocky because of their achievements. They keep it moving.

Actually I do come off cocky, at least immediately after. But that's in my celebration phase, before I get back to work.

But that talk show analogy is dead on!!!

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

LOL...ya'll wanna know what's REALLY going on?

the FP question of ALL TIME?

HONESTLY, i think it's WHETHER OR NOT TROUP IS A LIAR / FRAUD.

some wanna know, some wanna expose it, and some don't care.

but ultimately, that's why this thread and other he's been in do insane numbers.

---------- Post added at 02:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------

and the funny thing about it though Troup, is that after you "prove it", that you are "legit", cats will fall back...

but until then, you gonna be on the ropes mayne...

but honestly though, i think everybody here wishes you the best...

 

[dwells]

LOL...ya'll wanna know what's REALLY going on?

the FP question of ALL TIME?

HONESTLY, i think it's WHETHER OR NOT TROUP IS A LIAR / FRAUD.

some wanna know, some wanna expose it, and some don't care.

but ultimately, that's why this thread and other he's been in do insane numbers.

---------- Post added at 02:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------

and the funny thing about it though Troup, is that after you "prove it", that you are "legit", cats will fall back...

but until then, you gonna be on the ropes mayne...

but honestly though, i think everybody here wishes you the best...

Pretty much, that's why I relieved my involvement on the R.Kelly project. Really just to validate my statements, and it's something that anyone can pick up a cd and see proof for themselves. Evidence is a powerful thing.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Evidence is a powerful thing.

true...

there's cats that avoided the death penalty, and cats servin' 25+ based on evidence...it's extremely powerful, and like i was sayin', once Troup provides that evidence (which is within reason i believe) cats will fall back and he will have less distractions, more respect, and possibly even a larger following / fanbase.

 

[j.troup]

You are in a public place asking people to pay attention to you and your work. You have succeeded in that my internet acquaintance, unfortunately I don't think you like the attention you are receiving. Maybe if you stop promoting yourself as often, people will stop 'knocking' you. but this will also affect your work. It's a double edged sword, and you need to wield it more carefully.

My FP relationship has been one of love and hate. Never had an issue with the old batch of FP heads. I had my occasional beefs that got ugly, but we still respected each other. It was all good, because we were all in the struggle together.

This was before the R&B forum because a wasteland of gossiping Fruity Loopers.


Now? Man. I don't even wanna discuss it. But it's a shame.


This new crop...the attitude is different. They would rather hate, back bite, and attack people, than work, listen and learn They are really mad that their 12 months of making beats and they haven't gotten any placements.

They want to believe that's how it works. You make some beats, you send out some emails, and then you turn on the radio and hear a song with your beat, then you get a plaque in the mail.


It's really sad.

This is a very interesting statement. True, many people here are green. but there are a few people here who are further along than yourself (such as I) It might behoove you to listen to those further along than yourself, just as it would behoove me to do the same. I'm pretty sure there are a few individuals here that are further along than me, I have my suspicions of whom they are.

Trust me...I listen. Off FP, I listen way more than I talk. I seek the advice of those people who are ahead of me.

People who've met me in real life...they know. But FP? This is a place to waste time during the day job. That's what it's been reduced to.


I got here when FP was green. Some people were here when it was brown. But 99% of the current active FP members think it's always been black.


That's says alot.

 

[dwells]

I don't think it matters when anyone got here, at all. Some people can be further along in the music industry than you and I, and just found out about FP. They might come here to help and are driven away from members who have a thousand or several thousand post, but never did anything in the industry nothing noteworthy. just because they are fresh on FP doesn't mean they are fresh in the industry. I've seen this several times, the best example was Ron from Blazetrak. Dude came here to help and some people have drove him away. Dude is in the industry, I did homework on the dude and found from several people that he is legit. but we have some memebers with big egos and no validity drive him away. There are opportunities that come here and usually they disappear just as quick because our senior members act a fool.

 

[xtrordinare]

LOL...ya'll wanna know what's REALLY going on?

the FP question of ALL TIME?

HONESTLY, i think it's WHETHER OR NOT TROUP IS A LIAR / FRAUD.

some wanna know, some wanna expose it, and some don't care.

but ultimately, that's why this thread and other he's been in do insane numbers.

---------- Post added at 02:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------

and the funny thing about it though Troup, is that after you "prove it", that you are "legit", cats will fall back...

but until then, you gonna be on the ropes mayne...

but honestly though, i think everybody here wishes you the best...

troup, i know weve butted heads many times, but if u can answer this, it will settle everything, and i would have all the respect in the world for u, but if u dont answer, i will continue to have angst and disrespect for somebody who shows off but doesnt prove...its simple, ur just making it hard

 

[j.troup]

LOL...ya'll wanna know what's REALLY going on?

the FP question of ALL TIME?

HONESTLY, i think it's WHETHER OR NOT TROUP IS A LIAR / FRAUD.

some wanna know, some wanna expose it, and some don't care.

but ultimately, that's why this thread and other he's been in do insane numbers.

---------- Post added at 02:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------

and the funny thing about it though Troup, is that after you "prove it", that you are "legit", cats will fall back...

but until then, you gonna be on the ropes mayne...

but honestly though, i think everybody here wishes you the best...

The reason that I DON'T do that, is because I don't like to put that type of stuff out there. Because then it really IS bragging.


I've always kept it real on FP. They know about me getting jerked out of about $20,000 worth of music/work with the cats who were allegedly getting signed to Universal. They know about how I got played when I went up to NYC on my own dime. They know about all kinds of stuff...THE BAD STUFF THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T REVEAL.


I'm not posting how much my checks are from music licensing. Because THAT'S bragging. But I already told people that it's not as much annually as my day job pays me.


Fraud i'm not. I've done everything that I say I've done. And I HAVEN'T done everything that I've said I HAVEN'T done.


If I was lying, wouldn't I lie about big stuff? I told people that I went out to LA for the Open Labs After Grammy party, but I didn't get into the show because the person who had the ticket didn't come down to LA. Wouldn't I lie and say I went to the show?



But I have noticed one thing though. The only people who even come at me like PROVE IT, are the ones who haven't accomplished ANYTHING.


Those are called HATERS. They want to make sure that someone else isn't accomplishing anything, because it makes them feel better about what they haven't accomplished.

They wanna believe that I've never been to major label meetings in NYC. They wanna believe that I don't have relationships with certain people. They wanna believe that I don't have placements on TV. They wanna believe that Native Instruments didn't fly me out to LA to talk to me about a sound designer position. They wanna believe that the Director of Marketing of Ustream didn't call me and tell me he loved my show, and wanted to help me promote it.


I don't have anything to lie about. But I also don't have anything to prove either. Because I'll be proving everything that happens to me for the rest of my life, to people who, in the grand scheme of things, DON'T MATTER.


See...the ones that have their own business...they don't care. They congratulate and keep it moving...just as I do them.



Misery loves company. Some people just need to stop being miserable.