Anyone else here think the Blueprint is overrated?

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P10 said:
Y all these people on here raving about J so much. Jay's whole career was desolate until the death of Big and Pac. PERIOD. Pac was killing him and his career at every opportunity as well as Nas and Mobb Deep. Once Biggie died...it was like Jay won by default. and didn't Jay BITE Biggie somewhere in almost every song on the Blueprint? he's still biting Biggie. like Nas said...how many of Big's rhymes gone come out his FAT LIPS!
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thats true but you gotta give him credit where credit is do... thats why i feel Reasonable Doubt is King of all J's albums... and he aint in the position he in, without hardwork.
 
i see and respect your point JMaC...but to me Reasonable was just as the title suggests...REASONABLE. Jay was hungry back then...and he hasn't been hungry ever since. ALSO...he was WRITING when he did Reasonable Doubt...he hasn't written since after that album which would explain the decline as far as how i see it.
 
I think Blueprint part 1 is a classic albulm. Although definitely not the best hip hop albulm period.

The albulm does really stand up to its time.

Here is a list of everything the albulm contains:

1. Solid production by both Kanye West and Just Blaze. (probably the albulm's biggest feature. This is the albulm IMO that truly highlights what I call the "Rocafella" sound).

2. A huge diss directed towards Nas.

3. While not Jay Z's most lyrical albulm, it does offer plenty of clever one liners that Jay Z is known for:, "What you eat don't make me Sh*t", "I'm a hustla, I'll sell water to a whale (or well)"

4. A commercial hip hop albulm that went slightly against the grain of hip hop in 2001. Albulm contained very few club bangers (Girls, Girls, Girls remix was the biggest followed by Jigga).

5. Albulm instead focused on solid albulm songs with plenty of emotion. The only fillers to me were some of the club singles. "Heart of the City", "Never Change" one of the most well put together sequence of songs in an albulm.

6. Albulm featured very few guests but the main guest that was featured totally ripped it up and arguably even slammed Jay-Z.

7. Song Cry, one of Jay-Z's most heartfelt songs.



The soundscape of the albulm made it classic though in the end, everything from "You Don't Know", to "Girls, Girls, Girls" to "All I need" was consistent and solid production.

Definitely worth a classic in my opinion. Even a classic albulm might have a couple of fillers though.
 
No, I think Stillmatic is Hip Hop's most overrated album. Seriously, Blueprint was a BIT overrated over the years, but it was a solid album that wasnt overwhelmed by guests, which i absolutely detest about most hip hop albums today. Blueprint will be considered a classic, no doubt. Overall though, I think a lot of peopl are right that Reasonable Doubt was Jay's Illmatic (not quite on that level though). I think people should look at other albums as being overrated, like that 5 mics Stillmatic or Late Registration (am I gonna get hated on for that?).
 
the girls girls girls remix is one of my favorite beats. kanye killed that beat.
 
P10 said:
Y all these people on here raving about J so much. Jay's whole career was desolate until the death of Big and Pac. PERIOD. Pac was killing him and his career at every opportunity as well as Nas and Mobb Deep. Once Biggie died...it was like Jay won by default.
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Umm yea, thats why resonable doubt was already gold (which was all that was possible because thats all priority shipped)Before biggie died and and a week after pac died.
Thats not my oppinion, thats an actual fact.



And its funny you bring up mobb deep, since he actually destroyed their career.

And you mention Nas, (who pac was actually killin... Fake ass Rakim. Remember that line) when almost all nas fans will agree that I Am... and Nastradamus, which were the albums he put out during jay's rise are considered his worse.
 
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puffedoutproductions said:
Jay is overrated himself. Its a case of saying you are the best so many times that people believe you.
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damn dog i thought i was the only one in the world that felt like that. ive never been a fan of jay, but i rarely say it out loud just to avoid arguements, his fanbase is riduclous and its hard to find some one that agrees most times. lol its a one sided battle most the time.
 
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Jay-z is ASS!!!

His only good album was Reasonable Doubt!

All his sales are a fluke!

He doesnt deserve the props he gets!

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Does that make you haters happy?
 
The Pain said:
Jay-z is ASS!!!

His only good album was Reasonable Doubt!

All his sales are a fluke!

He doesnt deserve the props he gets!

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Does that make you haters happy?
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lmao! yea reasonable doubt was straight.
 
Nothing boggles my mind more than people starting threads about how something is overrated or whatnot...why the **** does it matter?

Damn, quit hatin FP.

Get on ya hustle, then see how it feels when someone tries to knock what your doing...this only goes to show that most people here aint really doin anything, and have no intentions...man yall are so sad.

But hey, your hatin is my motivation so do what ya gotta do.

GET ON YOUR JOB.
 
Same dudes who think Jay's overrated think Kanye's new album is hot. Nuff Said.

Backpack on.

BTW the most overrated thing about the Blueprint was Em's verses on "Renegade" they weren't "better" than Jay's both had subpar verses that were still better than most you hear from others.

Also keep in mind "The Blueprint" re-introduced an old style of using vocal samples(usually sped up) in beats(originally made famous by RZA, but he wasn't the 1st to do it, just wanted to add), so it was a fresh sound. It was even a fresh sound on the 1st Diplomat(Dipset) album and Cam'rons "Come Home with Me".

One thing I've learned whether I like an artist or not, when at 1 time 90% of hip hop fans were asked "whos the best?" Jay's name was the 1st spit out. So no, nothing he did was "overrated."

Souljah Boy isn't wack just cause I don't like him.

Just cause I think Redman and Cannibus were the hottest MCs ever don't make them so.

The sooner you guys learn an opinion is just an opinion, therefore yours ain't worth any more than the next man's, the sooner you'll be able to understand why albums you don't like sell so much more and have wider fanbases than albums you do bump.

Not that anything's wrong with that, but why is Jay-Z overrated when no one would say in the same breath Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles or James Brown or even Ike Turner is overrated. lol.

Opinionations, great stuff.
 
Just because you don't like something makes it overrated. Some people on this forum actually analyze albums without letting there "like" or "dislike" interfere with their reviews.

deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
BTW the most overrated thing about the Blueprint was Em's verses on "Renegade" they weren't "better" than Jay's both had subpar verses that were still better than most you hear from others.
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LOL, I been saying that since day one I listened to album.
 
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and for those saying that Eminem didn't murder Jay-Z, I think you guys are on crack. Honestly...out of 4 verses i would say this

1. Em's verse 2
2. Em's verse 1
3. Jay's verse 1
4. Jay's verse 2

Jay sounded mechanical in this song, and those religious references in Renegade were sick. These are some of Em's best verses of all time, there's no way he didn't murder Jay.

"See, i'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ, the King of these Ladder Day Saints here"

This is sick b/c the ladder day saints study Shakespeare texts at church, just to show how clever Em was in this song.

And, for all you guys saying that Blueprint was a well produced album (which is was) who cares if it has sped up samples?

There are no beats on BP that compare to the likes of Dead Presidents II off RD
 
ur comparing songs from albums that were released 5 years apart.. thats like comparing snoop doggs last album to doggystyle.. u cant do it..

jay overrated.. naw.. hes kool.. i liked him better back in the day.. on that track Show & Prove.. he killed it..

"capital J, captial A, capital Y, Capital Z.. ight G"
 
dkelloway said:
and for those saying that Eminem didn't murder Jay-Z, I think you guys are on crack. Honestly...out of 4 verses i would say this

1. Em's verse 2
2. Em's verse 1
3. Jay's verse 1
4. Jay's verse 2

Jay sounded mechanical in this song, and those religious references in Renegade were sick. These are some of Em's best verses of all time, there's no way he didn't murder Jay.

"See, i'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ, the King of these Ladder Day Saints here"

This is sick b/c the ladder day saints study Shakespeare texts at church, just to show how clever Em was in this song.

And, for all you guys saying that Blueprint was a well produced album (which is was) who cares if it has sped up samples?

There are no beats on BP that compare to the likes of Dead Presidents II off RD
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Official Em dykrider, lol, j/k.

Seriously, that had to be some of the wackest em verses to date upon it's release. Keep in mind that's back when Em was on his a game. Every verse on his 1st 2 albums > the 2 verses on Renegade. Jay's verses weren't very stellar either. neither outdid the other, both went in the studio, spilled their hearts thru some quick chaos with crayons and had a mediocre song done in a few hours time.

However both went outside boundaries(that they had at the time, now all Em raps about is his life and problems like anyone want to hear that sh*t from a mid 30s white millionaire, and now Jay tries to cover a little too much of the political side in raps, just go slang some damn crack, lol). Both verses could be related to by different people. In the hood I always heard "Jay murdered that sh*t", I won't pull the race card, but I always heard it the other way around from my suburban friends who literally can't understand what Jay was talking about in that song.

I'm lucky enough to be open minded enough to see both sides and realize it's an excercise in futility to try to say either outdid the other when both barely gave an attempt and it still resulted in a hot song.

While not touching the race card, I'll also say, I've also noticed it's harder for people to relate to Jay when they didn't grow up in an enviroment where there was a guy just like Jay who you kinda looked up to. Just like it's harder to relate to Em' if you've never dropped Cid or tripped off shrooms. Guess I was lucky enough to see enough to know both are ill in their own entities and comparisons will always boil down to where you from. You won't meet too many brooklyn cats that don't think Jay runs rap, like you won't meet too many people from suburbs who don't think Em did. I remember a friend telling me Em was the best rapper ever. I asked "Better than Jay-Z?" he responded 'Who?" lol.

Even the hoods of Detroit don't feel Eminem, that's just fact, I still think he was at 1 time 1 of the best. Jay as well. But for everyone who thinks Jay's overrated, theirs someone who thinks Em's overrated. And Nas's overrated, and Wayne's overrated. The cycle is infinite.

Sorry for the long rant, but the sooner you guys get out of the box you call your bedroom and see the world, the sooner you'll see all these guys hold crowns for reasons.
 
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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
both went in the studio, spilled their hearts thru some quick chaos with crayons and had a mediocre song done in a few hours time.
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Actually Em didn't record that song with Jay at all. The original was recorded with Royce 5'9 and Royce actually does KILL it.
 
^^^My bad, I was pretty sure they pulled out crayons and started writing in those thick extra wide ruled pads you get in kindergarten/1st grade when they teach you to write in cursive. lol.
 
postman music said:
Personally I liked blueprint 2 better.
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This quote my man is true. I agree on blueprint 2, had some filler's but had some really good moments and tight production by west, blaze and timbo.
 
just my opinion, "hola hovito" is the best(quality, chngeup, all around sound)production timbaland has ever done for Jay. You gotta hear it thru good monitors to fully respect it.

I'm talking all around production, if you just talking "hottest" beat, I'd have no idea, probably the one with Juvenile called "Snoopy Track".
 
yeah that blueprint album man was hott It brought back sampling again It made me go harder on beats and samples .It had that soul that hiphop was missing 4 a while .that **** is classic 5 mics and we have 2 hott ass producers from that kanye west and just blaze who r still doing there thang ...1
 
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