so who on this site has gotten placements through PMP so far?

[j.troup]

"Success" is strange. It only satisfies those who don't care that much.

You're absolutely right. I'm never satisfied. Cuz there's always something beyond where I'm at. And I wanna get there...just cuz it's a challenge.

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But I think this idea of you must be stable and have a good job that pays over 60k in order to pursue music is a little off.

Nobody ever said that.


That came up when people said "I'd be okay just making 30k a year".


We were saying that 30k a year SEEMS like it's alot of money, but in reality, it's not.


That's all.



You don't have to make 60k a year to pursue music. But lets be real here, pursuing music takes money. Equipment, recording, trips to conferences, meetings, etc. It costs money.

The more money you make, the easier it is to pursue.

 

[biggrome]

I was in the military.

Trust fam. If anybody knows about doing what you have to do for the fam, I know. But at the end of the day, YOU are the only one that has to live YOUR life. That's how people end up with resentment and hatred towards their own family members. And what if you going after what YOU want can be a benefit in the future for not only your living family but also for generations to come?

The military is the cause of you having low goals and expectations. I was in too and people were so afraid to leave those little checks and trust their own skills in the real world. How many times have you heard "What are you going to do if you get out, there's nothing out there..." I used to respond with "I won't be doing this... that's one guarantee."

About that family thing... just like the expenses I've made, I made that family too so there's no separating what I want from what we ALL want. I asked a woman to marry me and told her I'd take care of her. I got her pregnant twice and I'm the type that's going to take care of what I created. It's not like we live in separate parts of the house and I'm flying solo and as long as I'm okay then I'm fine. They have to be okay first.

All I expect to get is the big piece of chicken... I'm last in line for everything else. If one of the kids needs new shoes, there will be no new midi controller. Wife feels like she needs to get out, Reason upgrade has to wait... that's just how it is.

A lot of people now-a-days don't have Old Fashioned Values. I saw dudes on Ustreams hanging out with FP members during the day while their woman worked. They said they were going to the studio when she got home. I haven't heard one record produced by 'em. They used to talk hella trash to me though, lol. They still tweet about being in the studio - translation - their homeboy with the gear and equipment place.

If people were smart and looked around... they'd realize that although the avenues to get your music heard are more abundant - there is more competition so that's driving down the "specialness" of everybody's ish. I can go to datpiff and get 5 free mixtapes a day... you're not going to live lavish off of free music. If I hear a song that's catchy or a sound that everybody is feeling, I can run home and make something that sounds really close to it... and so will everybody else. Then there'll be hundreds of those "types" of songs floating around - think autotune, think trap music, etc... everybody can make 'em.

... and you have to look at radio now playing only 10 songs over and over... how are you going to get your ish on there? Your ish probably don't sound as good as Bruno Mars ish.

 

[SmokinAces]

The more money you make, the easier it is to pursue.

Agreed. But money comes after work and dedication to winning. If you do the work to perfect your craft and have the dedication to grind for what you want and put the effort forth, you can put yourself in a position to make money.

Plus, I wouldn't say I've ever had a lot of money to spend on my music endeavors. But I saved and passed on buying things that I may have wanted because I knew what my goal was and knew what I needed to do to get the tools I needed. Again, it's about sacrifice.

And Rome, I not only agree with you about the family stuff, but also respect you as a man for having those values. I guess I am talking from more of a single person's perspective as I would believe most people on here are.

As for the military, everything you said was pretty spot on. But my time in the military actually made me more tenacious in my attempts at doing music. I was like you. I knew that there had to be more to life than the Army life. When I say I'm serious about this music thing, I'm not just talking beats. I'm currently going back to school for my business degree. I study ALL ASPECTS of the music industry.If I don't make it as a producer, I will do SOMETHING that has to do with music. There are many, many, many avenues in which to pursue such a thing.

I realize that the industry is in a bad state. But there are still cats out there, with no radio play, who are able to live comfortably off their craft. Do I expect to have Bentleys and a house in the Hamptons? Probably not. It'd be nice but it's not realistic. But there are people out there continuing to make money off music. I just hope, no, I know I will be one of them. Maybe not tomorrow, next week, next month or next year. But until then, I will continue to work, get better as a beat maker, songwriter, and producer, learn the business, and keep faith that it WILL HAPPEN.

 

[j.troup]

Agreed. But money comes after work and dedication to winning. If you do the work to perfect your craft and have the dedication to grind for what you want and put the effort forth, you can put yourself in a position to make money.

Plus, I wouldn't say I've ever had a lot of money to spend on my music endeavors. But I saved and passed on buying things that I may have wanted because I knew what my goal was and knew what I needed to do to get the tools I needed. Again, it's about sacrifice.

But why be broke when you don't have to? If you have to work a job, then make it a good one. Why would someone WANT to work at McDonalds and chase a music career? Does it make them feel like they are more "real"? They are a REAL starving artist, sacrificing EVERYTHING for their dream?!


I think that's bullshit. Ain't nothing cool about being a starving artist. NOTHING.


So if you ain't gotta sacrifice, why do it?

 

[SmokinAces]

But why be broke when you don't have to? If you have to work a job, then make it a good one. Why would someone WANT to work at McDonalds and chase a music career? Does it make them feel like they are more "real"? They are a REAL starving artist, sacrificing EVERYTHING for their dream?!


I think that's bullshit. Ain't nothing cool about being a starving artist. NOTHING.


So if you ain't gotta sacrifice, why do it?

Again, I'm not advocating being broke to do music. People apparently have to eat and support themselves. I guess the whole argument goes into what you consider broke? I've lived in a hotel room sleeping on a couch bed with my brother and sister. I lived with roaches and rats. I've went to bed hungry on occasions. I've had to go times where the only things to eat were pb &j and hot dogs. That's broke to me. So to have bills paid, a car (which I have, paid for in full), a place of my own, clothes on my back and food in the fridge is ok to me. It's not where I wanna STAY for the rest of my life. But there is a huge difference between being broke and not being able to get all the things society tells you need (but really do not) in order to be happy. I pretty much see where you're coming from and understand and respect your POV. But I believe (this is what got me into this convo) when people start putting a dollar amount on what is "good living", it sends bad messages. There are people who would be happy to say they made 30-40k a year and would be able to support themselves off of that until something better came along.

 

[biggrome]

I study ALL ASPECTS of the music industry.If I don't make it as a producer, I will do SOMETHING that has to do with music. There are many, many, many avenues in which to pursue such a thing.

Then you will probably make it. 90% of people are in one lane and it's constant rush hour traffic.

Even if the producer thing doesn't work out FIRST! it's not like you're going to forget how to make music (or lose your ear for what sounds good). Look at some of the people dropping music... they have DJ in front of their name - Khalid, Kay Slay, etc. DJ's first, got up high and made music. Jay Z a rapper - now label head. Dre a producer - now label head. Hell, I've worked in different departments at this job - I got in though I didn't care where they put me. I don't care what my job title is either as long as the check looks right.

 

[j.troup]

Again, I'm not advocating being broke to do music. People apparently have to eat and support themselves. I guess the whole argument goes into what you consider broke? I've lived in a hotel room sleeping on a couch bed with my brother and sister. I lived with roaches and rats. I've went to bed hungry on occasions. I've had to go times where the only things to eat were pb &j and hot dogs. That's broke to me. So to have bills paid, a car (which I have, paid for in full), a place of my own, clothes on my back and food in the fridge is ok to me. It's not where I wanna STAY for the rest of my life. But there is a huge difference between being broke and not being able to get all the things society tells you need (but really do not) in order to be happy.

Being broke is relative to the person. That's all. To each their own.


Someone may be happy with 30k. Me personally, I'm not. And someone, somewhere looks at my salary as poverty.


It's all subjective.

 

[SmokinAces]

Being broke is relative to the person. That's all. To each their own.


Someone may be happy with 30k. Me personally, I'm not. And someone, somewhere looks at my salary as poverty.


It's all subjective.

Exactly.

 

[biggrome]

But there is a huge difference between being broke and not being able to get all the things society tells you need (but really do not) in order to be happy.

I need everything I posted to be happy it doesn't have much to do with society.

I remember when I was in the Army and this guy told me he was getting out. He was 30 and I was 18 but we used to hang out everyday. I said "you getting out man" he said "Yeah, look at the guys that have been in for 15 years or so... that's going to be you and if you don't think so... look a lot of 'em and see how similar they are". So I did and I got scared and got out, lol. I looked at dudes that weren't in and they were a lot happier, I also looked at dudes working hard jobs involving lifting and ish - I didn't want to be them either... I got to where I want to be a little earlier than I expected but I'd still be doing something similar anyway... not everybody is the same though.

Dudes that have been here for 15 years or so drive convertible two seaters and take lavish trips...

 

[SmokinAces]

I need everything I posted to be happy it doesn't have much to do with society.

I remember when I was in the Army and this guy told me he was getting out. He was 30 and I was 18 but we used to hang out everyday. I said "you getting out man" he said "Yeah, look at the guys that have been in for 15 years or so... that's going to be you and if you don't think so... look a lot of 'em and see how similar they are". So I did and I got scared and got out, lol. I looked at dudes that weren't in and they were a lot happier, I also looked at dudes working hard jobs involving lifting and ish - I didn't want to be them either... I got to where I want to be a little earlier than I expected but I'd still be doing something similar anyway... not everybody is the same though.

Dudes that have been here for 15 years or so drive convertible two seaters and take lavish trips...

Yea, the Army is pretty f*ed up in that respect. I've seen cats in 15 years have to take on second jobs and such. But a lot of that had to do with the system around the Army. People giving you all types of lines of credit and shit on payment plans and financing because you got that steady paycheck. Only to find out later that the interest rates are ridiculous. If I know anything I know getting out the Army was definitely the move for me.

Again, though, it's all about doing what you love and what works for you and MAKING IT work for you. My boy who joined the same time is still in and he loves it. Plus he's pretty intelligent so he hasn't fallen victim to any dumb ish. As you said, differemt strokes, different folks.

 

[biggrome]

Yea, the Army is pretty f*ed up in that respect. I've seen cats in 15 years have to take on second jobs and such..

One time we were throwing a little get together party and somebody wanted to order some pizza. We ordered the pizza and forgot about it. Then the door bell rang and it was the PIZZA MAN! ... and he was also our platoon sergeant, lol.

We almost died laughing in that mofo, you could tell he was embarrassed as hell.

... that moment gave a lot of dudes at the little party some second guesses about a military career.

... he tried to say he was doing it for extra Holiday cash...

 

[deanlofts]

Then the door bell rang and it was the PIZZA MAN! ... and he was also our platoon sergeant, lol.

We almost died laughing in that mofo, you could tell he was embarrassed as hell.

... that moment gave a lot of dudes at the little party some second guesses about a military career.

This story is actually really sad. I have a HUGE respect for anybody that serves or has served in the military and they deserve so much more than what they seem to get over your way. They do some of the toughest things people could ever imagine and get very little compensation later on. I hope this changes one day.

 

[biggrome]

This story is actually really sad. I have a HUGE respect for anybody that serves or has served in the military and they deserve so much more than what they seem to get over your way. They do some of the toughest things people could ever imagine and get very little compensation later on. I hope this changes one day.

That's the power of the media. 80% of the people in the military drink excessively and play spades all day. They make the younger soldiers cut grass and rake leaves and pick up cigarette butts. When the higher ups are about to come around you're well aware of it days before hand and the drunks (platoon sergeants) kick everything into high gear to make everything look good. Those poster boy soldiers you see getting off of the plane and coming home were probably with three hookers the night before. The ones you see on TV saluting the flag are the only ones sober enough to stand still without passing out.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Hate my music but don't hate me

deal.


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I know more about women than I do music, lol. I've traveled the world and they do not change.

WORD...honestly, i'll give you that...you actually kick THE MOST TRUE, BONA-FIDE, TRILL GAME ABOUT WOMEN on this board...i don't think anyone can argue that.

Things are changing in womens minds with these "reality shows" though... young dudes are in trouble

yes sir...

i might not buy any of your beats, but if you dropped a book / subscription service / blog / v-log about women, i'd definitely be a huge supporter.

game recognize game

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It's not a put down that music doesn't pay my bills

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Bad Girls Club is going to phugg yo ish UP! it's the NEW Women Lib for young ho's... best thing you can do is to up your playa game to the Nth degree... because nuccaz now are 30 steps behind...

WORD...

the gizzame nowadays is on some OTHER...

that's prolly the best way i could put it...

these days, chics can't even be stopped w/ HANDCUFFS or CAPTAIN CAPES....this new "game" will frustrate even the coldest, most thoroughest of players...

 

[DaVizzy]

deal.


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WORD...honestly, i'll give you that...you actually kick THE MOST TRUE, BONA-FIDE, TRILL GAME ABOUT WOMEN on this board...i don't think anyone can argue that.



yes sir...

i might not buy any of your beats, but if you dropped a book / subscription service / blog / v-log about women, i'd definitely be a huge supporter.

game recognize game

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WORD...

the gizzame nowadays is on some OTHER...

that's prolly the best way i could put it...

these days, chics can't even be stopped w/ HANDCUFFS or CAPTAIN CAPES....this new "game" will frustrate even the coldest, most thoroughest of players...

Ay ya'll boys stop scaring me...

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Ay ya'll boys stop scaring me...

lol...all i'm saying is don't underestimate your broad(s)...

 

[biggrome]

Ay ya'll boys stop scaring me...

I think the ladys got tired of our bs...

Only thing you can do is buy her an iPhone for Valentine's Day with a GPS tracker on it, lol

... or else don't worry about it.

Dudes are getting set up and robbed off of Craigslists / Facebook hypes. I know a chick who had to move because her teen age son met what he thought was a cool "internet hookup" he had her over to his spot one evening and she went to the bathroom and called her homies to rob him. They were unsuccessful but they kept coming back, he had some old school whip in his garage that they wanted.

I think he got in more trouble over it than the dudes that tried to rob him because he hit the chick before she left.

F or Deaf is right ... never under-estimate 'em. They are pretty web savvy these days.

I guess there are some good ones left, you have to look a little harder though it seems.

 

[DaVizzy]

Moral of the story: Good guys finish last.

At least most of the time...

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Moral of the story: Good guys finish last.

At least most of the time...

let's flip it though...where do the GOOD GIRLS finish?

 

[deanlofts]

That's the power of the media. 80% of the people in the military drink excessively and play spades all day. They make the younger soldiers cut grass and rake leaves and pick up cigarette butts. When the higher ups are about to come around you're well aware of it days before hand and the drunks (platoon sergeants) kick everything into high gear to make everything look good. Those poster boy soldiers you see getting off of the plane and coming home were probably with three hookers the night before. The ones you see on TV saluting the flag are the only ones sober enough to stand still without passing out.

I've served, I know what they get up to . BUT those same people playing up can achieve some pretty awesome things. From what I saw it was work hard, play hard.