so who on this site has gotten placements through PMP so far?

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j.troup said:
2) Because people are constantly coming at me for "not making money in music". I don't brag about anything. But when people start talking about PLACEMENTS and my lack of having them, trying to use that as a diss, I politely let them know that I'm getting MONEY without placements...actually more money than PLACEMENTS would get me.

I'm sorry if that makes people feel bad. But people shouldn't come at me sideways, like I'm going to just clam up and let them attack me.

3) I didn't ask for her feedback. And "chick" has been causing trouble on here from day 1. She gave me her honest feedback, and I gave her my honest feedback.

Why was that going hard? It was honest feedback. I'd rather listen to an American Idol audition than her music.


That's my honest feedback. I can give that, right?
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Troup, just so we are clear, I wasn't referring to you in number 2. That was about Rome sayin he got more money than all of our families lol. U good as far as im concerned with the money tip cuz I know your placements are legit and your music is professional. And as far as ol gurl, you right, I don't know the history of wat she's been like on the thread, so I'll renig my statement of her defense and just stay neutral lol. As far as I'm concerned honest feedback is encouraged so if she's trash to you, then you should be able to say it without being rebuttled to sideways...

which leads me to the latest rant from rome.
 
biggrome said:
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1)Don't let my vocal tag scare you. It's my voice pitched down by -12. Don't read my posts with my vocal tag in mind and hide under your covers with a reading lamp.

2)I am not a thug. Reread it if you have to. I have not posted one "thuggish" comment in any thread. I'd like to be able to post and be left alone. Seems like you've joined the "I can't resist commenting on, quoting, referring to biggrome" bandwagon too. You mofo's are like my personal paparazzi.

3)Wouldn't it be nice if we never acknowledged each other and you stuck to the thread topics. How about the next time you think somebody is "sensitive" you just think it and keep it to yourself.

4)No flames. I just responded to you posting "my name" in your posts, that should've been the end of it. Since it wasn't, let this be the end of it.
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:banghead:SMH... one more time just so we are clear:

1) I didn't even know you had a vocal tag, nor have I heard it if one exists. But I guess that's your form of sarcasm/humor insinuating that I'm afraid of someone I don't even know because of their voice... SMH. (another childish act)

2) Im not on any bandwagon (cept watever team Shaq has played on). I don't dislike you or intend to hate on you. Man I don't even KNOW you lol. So fallback with the "paparazzi" comparisons. (another poor attempt at humor/childish).

3)The next time I think someone is being sensitive, I will prolly (like i did in your case) post what i think about their reactions in the thread. Difference between you and I is, you come to a open forum, hear me say your "text in the thread" seems sensitive, then your natural reaction is to go on my youtube and compose a series of fat jokes lmao. As if my glutenous obesity had anything to do with the conversation lol. It just seemed tacky and distasteful for someone that feels they are targeted when they post.

4) There is no "it". Its 2 strangers posting comments on a forum thread. As far as "it" being ended, I see you like to try and get the last word in during a debate, and its natural. Im not walkin away from the thread because you say let this be the end of it. Nor would I walk away after the countless times Ive seen you say "Im done" and then return shortly thereafter. All im sayin is lead by example. There's alot of "you said something about me so now im gonna say something about you" goin on, which teeters on the e-thug concept. Tryna protect your e-cred, cuz god forbid you don't respond to me calling you sensitive... who knows how many LESS pages this thread woulda been... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
biggrome said:
What do you think about the PMP?
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Honestly, I've seen this discussion in so many diff threads, some say it doesn't bring success, some say it does depending on how good your beats are...

I honestly don't know, but I'm not at a point where Im even producing for bread. Right now i give my beats away just to see what ppl do with em and get my name out there.

You mentioned earlier about bread, do you or anyone else think that you could make a living off of PMP or any other beat site? Cuz almost everyone hear has a 9-5, and THEN they make beats and get extra cash.
 
JayLip said:

You mentioned earlier about bread, do you or anyone else think that you could make a living off of PMP or any other beat site? Cuz almost everyone hear has a 9-5, and THEN they make beats and get extra cash.
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You're going to have to find that "bread" thing I said. I make my living paying corporate taxes in 23 states. Not from music.

Can you make a living off of SELLING BEATS on the PMP? In general, I would say no if you tried to equate it to what I would call "a living". Can you make a living in the music business - probably so.

A living to me is medical for the whole family, dental for the whole family, 401k for retirement, mortgage, homeowners insurance, property taxes, full coverage car insurance on all cars the family has, entertainment money, vacation money, savings, all bills covered, clothing money, gas money, car maintenance money, cell phone bill, expanded cable, grocery money, gift money, money for gear, regular upkeep money (haircuts, hairdo's for everybody - nails n ish), gym memberships for the entire family, lawnmower gas money, rakes n ish, leaf blowers, and about 100 other things - Xbox games, Xbox subscriptions for everybody that plays, the actual Xbox's, TV's in every room, cable in every room, furniture (not banged up) in every room, hot tub maintenance, household appliance replacements + maintenance.... if you can cover those with beat selling money then you the mf'n man in my book.

Some dudes that do music be on their wife's insurance and dental and ish... I would just feel funny about it - NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD FEEL FUNNY ABOUT IT. There's no second guessing who's the head of my household. What I say goes, lol.

My job covers all of that and I still have money to blow. So the "where's your placement" stuff... is laughable because I'd be doing music without Twitter, Track Dumps, Dynamic Producer or any of that... because I've always been involved in some aspect of music since I wrote my first rap. I've been working since I was 13 (yep, illegally) it's just now I use my brains instead of back. The music stuff is gravy, it's fun to me. Would I like some extra money coming in from something I like to do... damn right.

Would I like to make enough money from music to cover all of the stuff I mentioned - damn right... but everybody at those American Idol auditions want to be Mariah Carey too. Sometimes you just roll with reality and be thankful for what you do have.... and try to set yourself up to get more.


Oh, I forgot about the 3 living room sets you have to buy / replace when they get worn out... one for the main family living room, one for the living room that nobody sits in and one for the man cave where you watch MMA and boxing matches in...

.... and don't say I don't need all of that... yes you do. Everything I mentioned are the basics.
 
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biggrome said:
You're going to have to find that "bread" thing I said. I make my living paying corporate taxes in 23 states.

Can you make a living off of PMP? In general, I would say no if you tried to equate it to what I would call "a living". Can you make a living in the music business - probably so.

A living to me is medical for the whole family, dental for the whole family, 401k for retirement, mortgage, homeowners insurance, property taxes, full coverage car insurance on all cars the family has, entertainment money, vacation money, savings, all bills covered, clothing money, gas money, car maintenance money, cell phone bill, expanded cable, grocery money, gift money, money for gear, regular upkeep money (haircuts, hairdo's for everybody - nails n ish), gym memberships for the entire family, lawnmower gas money, rakes n ish, leaf blowers, and about 100 other things - Xbox games, Xbox subscriptions for everybody that plays, the actual Xbox's, TV's in every room, cable in every room, furniture (not banged up) in every room, hot tub maintenance, household appliance replacements + maintenance.... if you can cover those with beat selling money then you the mf'n man in my book.

My job covers all of that and I still have money to blow. So the "where's your placement" stuff... is laughable because I'd be doing music without Twitter, Track Dumps, Dynamic Producer or any of that... because I've always been involved in some aspect of music since I wrote my first rap.
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And there it is right there. "Producers" somehow think that being on the Fabolous mixtape, and being on the Rick Ross album, and having a Gold Plaque automatically equate to millions of dollars.


But if TLC, who sold 10 million albums, only took home like $30,000 a piece off their deal, then how much do you REALLY think these producers are making who are landing these "major placements"??


Great, they get 6 major placements in a year, that get them $5000 each, and then they might see another $30,000 on the back end.


They've just made $60,000. And after taxes are paid, and lawyers get paid, they'll be lucky to have $30,000.


That's BARELY a living right there. And don't have a wife and kids on top of that. You gon have your Platinum Plaque, in your cube, and the Cable Call Center, answering people's questions about why BET is so blurry.


People seem to respect FLASH when they need to be respecting SUBSTANCE.

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Like, a platinum plaque, sitting on the floor next to your futon, in your studio apartment, doesn't really impress me.
 
j.troup said:
They've just made $60,000.
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That ^^^^ is not a living to me.

Most people look at placements as an achievement and they are but so is that 1st place ribbon they won in the kindergarten track meet. If the placement didn't do anything but give them bragging rights on a messageboard, I don't know if I'd put too much weight on it. If it spring-boarded or jump started an actual career in music... then that would get props. Just my personal opinion.

Placements are great and I won the spelling bee in the third grade. Let that marinate.

It's almost like saying "I had the baddest chick in my High School..." and now she's married to somebody else with 3 kids and a rich husband.

No hate on placements but if you've spent the money and don't have anything to show for it but a new MPC... quit braggin'. lol - this is starting to sound bad.
 
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3.) Troup, I know you are a FP vet, and a very trained/talented producer from the music I've heard of yours. Why go so hard on ol gurl for giving honest feedback? She even gave the "not hating, just sayin" disclaimer. It seems like on this site, if you don't have a supporting comment, don't say anything. The "digitally muted" comment was funny tho lol. Just sayin, you've always done a good job of not getting engaged into the e-thuggery like Rome seems to deny, but still participate in. People respect that.

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I can't state my opinion on his track? Honestly her voice does need a little tweaking here and there. Her voice sounds standoffish from the beat. It's like having two separate recordings that don't go together you know what i'm saying? That is why i'm telling him to correct the problem. Putting reverb and vocal compressor on her vocals will do the trick.

Don't get me wrong, he is talented. I did not say he sucks. The song could be a lot better in my opinion. Not a lot of niggas can create a beat with a melody hock to it. In my opinion, he did a good job coming up with a melody hock/lyrics to that song. What I don't really hear is a HIT SONG. It's a very simple song for a simple chick. I can tell from hearing her vocals is that her vocal ability isn't up to part in this type of track. She has somewhat of powerful voice. There was no spice into her voice in this song because he forgetting to add the special ingredient to her voice to make her voice pop out nicely. What could make this song even hotter is if he did more to the chorus. In the chorus, she could add ablids into it, or she could had harmonize the chorus instead of singing THAT PART solo. Forget about the chorus, where's the ablids??? THE ABLIDS IS MISSING. IF THERE WERE MAD ABLIDS IN IT, THAN IT BE HOT. The song needs more "POW" to be a hit song.

I not really into mainstream music now days. I'm more into the groovy type of vibe, with extremely hot melody hocks, and with a nice/soothing soultry voice. Now days music is missing it's edge, especially with R&B music now days. Everything is sounding the same when it comes to POP, HIP HOP, and R&B. Even college rock too.
A hit record is more than just a catchy song itself. You have to draw people into the feeling of the music.

My problem with new school music is that it doesn't make you want to get up and dance your ass off. There is no originality with todays music. It's very repetitive. Not into the instrumentation in the beat. Sounds like 80's POP music mix with 90's techno. That's how it sounds like. It's almost like dubstep music, but with a hip hop beat.
 
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Rome can you throw me a yearly amount that is considered living for me (no im not being sarcastic im really tryna set a goal). Currently no kids (no plans for any for another 5 years) a girlfriend (plans for marriage in about 3). I would rather she not work.
we live in seattle (you know how expensive that is.

what would be a considered living?
(again not being sarcastic).
 
Nakitabenjamin said:
I can't state my opinion on his track? Honestly her voice does need a little tweaking here and there. Her voice sounds standoffish from the beat. It's like having two separate recordings that don't go together you know what i'm saying? That is why i'm telling him to correct the problem. Putting reverb and vocal compressor on her vocals will do the trick.

Don't get me wrong, he is talented. I did not say he sucks. The song could be a lot better in my opinion. Not a lot of niggas can create a beat with a melody hock to it. In my opinion, he did a good job coming up with a melody hock/lyrics to that song. What I don't really hear is a HIT SONG. It's a very simple song for a simple chick. I can tell from hearing her vocals is that her vocal ability isn't up to part in this type of track. She has somewhat of powerful voice. There was no spice into her voice in this song because he forgetting to add the special ingredient to her voice to make her voice pop out nicely. What could make this song even hotter is if he did more to the chorus. In the chorus, she could add ablids into it, or she could had harmonize the chorus instead of singing THAT PART solo. The song needs more "POW" to be a hit song.
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My thing is, you need to apply all of that to YOUR music.



The hook on that song is at least 2-3 part harmony...because I did the harmonies myself. So if you don't hear that, then your ear is broken.


And there are adlibs all over that hook.


You should probably listen harder.




Everybody knows how to make a hit record, but nobody makes a hit record.



How you gon tell someone how to clean their house, when your house look like HOARDERS?
 
j.troup said:
my thing is, you need to apply all of that to your music.



The hook on that song is at least 2-3 part harmony...because i did the harmonies myself. So if you don't hear that, then your ear is broken.


And there are adlibs all over that hook.


You should probably listen harder.




Everybody knows how to make a hit record, but nobody makes a hit record.



How you gon tell someone how to clean their house, when your house look like hoarders?
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read my shit again. The chorus is straight, but wheres the ablids. My songs are hits, i know a hit song when i hear one.
 
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joey tunez said:
Rome can you throw me a yearly amount that is considered living for me (no im not being sarcastic im really tryna set a goal). Currently no kids (no plans for any for another 5 years) a girlfriend (plans for marriage in about 3). I would rather she not work.
we live in seattle (you know how expensive that is.

what would be a considered living?
(again not being sarcastic).
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I don't consider $60,000 living when you have a set up like I do. I created all of the expenses myself but I can't see going without anything I have now.

There are a ton of factors that decide how you're going to live.

- The price of your home
- The price of insurance on your cars
- Your car payment amount
- How much cable TV do you need (I have all of the movie channels and sports packages)
- How much outside entertainment / dining do you need (do you like concerts and festivals?)
- How much are you trying to save
- Do you / your woman have expensive taste
- Who in your family hits you up for money


There is no figure I can throw out that would accommodate every situation. Some people live a "lesser" lifestyle and mine is by no means "lavish" but I find those people without car insurance sometimes, asking to borrow sometimes, not able to go places they want to go sometimes, trying to "go up" on a bottle sometimes... and they live in apartments and don't have two kids. I know they rake in around $45,000 or in that ball park but for me... I'm a compulsive buyer - if I see something I want, I want to be able to get it. So far so good so I'm basing half of my stance off of being able to have what you want when you want it. With that said... I also don't want much and the stuff I do have I keep in excellent condition. I still have cassette players from the 90's in my garage that work like new!

The next part you didn't ask for but I'm throwing it in anyway. Rest of FP better listen up, lol. It's not meant to be a lecture or anything, just some ish I've seen happen a few times. It's take or leave it type ish. You know what you're doing though but I'll post it anyway.

That not having your woman work thing is not going to fly. Give a woman too much time on their hands and they'll find something to do with it. Things you won't like and when the bills stack up and she can't contribute - you'll look at her funny because UPS and Fed Ex trucks will still be dropping off shoe boxes and leather jackets. Plus that will give them a convenient way to pack on the pounds and watch THE VIEW and not clean up until 15 minutes before you come home. This isn't the 60's where hot apple pies sit on the windowsill waiting for you to get home. I can cover everything without my wife having to work... and I tried it, I thought it was a nice gesture. I had to shut it down. The STATISTICS are too in favor of them getting used to NOT WORKING and if the ish hits the fan... they'll tell you that YOU need another job. You have to keep a tight reign on your woman and never get too mushy, lol. Sad but that's the way it is. I've been married for a MINUTE... my friends are divorced (and still want their ex's back... most of their ex's moved on to dudes with more money lol).

... women don't respect mushy and I do know a lady that doesn't work and her husband works and he gets no respect.

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Go easy on the kids thing. 2 max. Daycare for a newborn is $1000 a month easy. Similac and Pampers $25 a can $30 a pack and they last ALMOST a week... on a good week. Babyfood, strollers, clothes that last a month... ehh.... BUT!!! NOTHING BEATS KIDS! NOTHING IN THE WORLD! Kids LOVE their parents until their parents F it up... the spouse or girlfriends just like the other person a lot. There's a huge difference and anybody that's got a good relationship with their kids will tell you that I'm telling the truth...

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Get your kids tested no matter what, it's going to run around $450. You just want piece of mind.... especially if the woman doesn't work. Don't trust those Walgreen's testing kits and ish for $40. Get the real deal testetestsss.

... had both of my kids tested... didn't tell my wife though. Stats show that 1 million men are taking care of kids that aren't their own.

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NEVER! argue with a woman face to face, ish will go downhill in 0.2 seconds. You have to leave and call back to the crib and scream it out over the phone. You just have to, it's the new rule. If you have kids, don't call your woman names AT ALL! If you've been drinking, you have to put on your track shoes and walk out of the crib and take your phone with you. Your neighbors will call the cops and if you've been drinking... they're going to look at you funny.


Oh, back on the money thing... never set out to look for a house... ALWAYS look for a house. You can probably find one for cheaper than what people are paying for apartments. Sometimes people have to sell their homes quickly because they have to leave the state to take care of sick family members, sometimes older people pass away, all of that. If you wait to look and be like - I make enough to buy a house, I'll start looking... well, you probably already missed 10 good deals! by waiting. My Father in law bought a house with a pool for less than $100,000 and it's bigger than mine... the guy that had it died and my Father in Law wasn't looking for a house... he just kept his eye open and BAM! there one was that didn't need any work except the pool needed to be cleaned. ALWAYS LOOK or else you're throwing money down the drain. People hear that all the time.... but it's true.

^^^^^^^^^ ALL O DAT IS TAKE OR LEAVE IT ADVICE... It's not meant to offend anyone.



.... and in a cheaper city $60,000 a year is probably fine but for Seattle.... nah.
 
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My bad, i had to listen to the whole song again. I couldn't play the song from my quote, but i can play it from your comment since I have to go back 3 pages ago.

The song is kind of forgettable. That is why it's important to have a hit song in your hands.

I just listen to it again and i hear everything. Ablids are good, just needs more pow to give me goose bumps. SHE NEEDS TO GO PATTI LABELLE ON THE ABLIDS. I CAN'T FEEL THE PAIN/PASSION IN HER VOICE ON THIS AT ALL. The chorus part is find. I just can't figure out why i not feeling this song on the first time i heard it.

WHEN I SAY PATTI LABELLE, I MEAN SHE NEEDS TO GO HARD ON THE ABLIDS.
 
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@biggrome

good lookin out man, you just sprinkled some game right there. after thinking about it i could totally see her doing all the stuff you said cause her sister is like that. I think if i had a cool $80 i could do all i wanted to do for a few more years.

I just think that making $60k to do what you would do for free plus get a little fame would be kinda cool.
 
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