so who on this site has gotten placements through PMP so far?

[j.troup]

@biggrome

good lookin out man, you just sprinkled some game right there. after thinking about it i could totally see her doing all the stuff you said cause her sister is like that. I think if i had a cool $80 i could do all i wanted to do for a few more years.

I just think that making $60k to do what you would do for free plus get a little fame would be kinda cool.

You gotta remember, that's 60k BEFORE taxes. And health insurance. and mortgage payments. And water bill. And car insurance. And student loan payments. And Cable bill. And credit card bills.


When I first graduated college, I was making 50k. And my monthly bills were 1500. That was just basics.


Then I got a house. And the student loans kicked in. And I got a better car. And a few credit cards. And 2 cell phones. And a vacation time share. And a motorcycle. And a better cable package. And higher speed internet.


And my monthly bills are 3000.


Start adding all those things in there, and that 50k becomes uncomfortable REAL QUICK.


I didn't get back to "comfortable" until I hit 75k, back in 2009.



Now, I'm getting back to my original comfort level, I kinda got out of control with the spending for about a year or so.



But yeah...60k sounds like alot of money, until you realize that you have to actually pay BILLS out of that


Cuz I'm like Rome. I like to live nicely, and have money to still take my lady out to eat on a regular basis, buy whatever I wanna buy, plus get the nieces and nephews nice gifts for their birthdays, Christmas, etc.

 

[mobeatz]

@biggrome

good lookin out man, you just sprinkled some game right there. after thinking about it i could totally see her doing all the stuff you said cause her sister is like that. I think if i had a cool $80 i could do all i wanted to do for a few more years.

I just think that making $60k to do what you would do for free plus get a little fame would be kinda cool.

$80 for 4 years?

Where you guys living at?? USA? Mexico? LOL

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Give a woman too much time on their hands and they'll find something to do with it.

women don't respect mushy and I do know a lady that doesn't work and her husband works and he gets no respect.

Get your kids tested no matter what, it's going to run around $450. You just want piece of mind.... especially if the woman doesn't work. Don't trust those Walgreen's testing kits and ish for $40. Get the real deal testetestsss.


NEVER! argue with a woman face to face, ish will go downhill in 0.2 seconds. You have to leave and call back to the crib and scream it out over the phone. You just have to, it's the new rule. If you have kids, don't call your woman names AT ALL! If you've been drinking, you have to put on your track shoes and walk out of the crib and take your phone with you. Your neighbors will call the cops and if you've been drinking... they're going to look at you funny

every blue moon, this guy makes incredible posts...

 

[joey tunez]

$80 for 4 years?

Where you guys living at?? USA? Mexico? LOL

oops i meant $80k! my bad! lol

 

[Nakitabenjamin]

None. In 8 years of producing, I've only had one song recorded.

I don't think you understand my question.
I'm talking about music you produced generally, not just your music itself.

 

[biggrome]

every blue moon, this guy makes incredible posts...

We agree on a lot of things except music.

I remember your contributions to the off topic threads about women. Not all women are the same... but they all have similarities.

Hate my music but don't hate me.

I know more about women than I do music, lol. I've traveled the world and they do not change.

Things are changing in womens minds with these "reality shows" though... young dudes are in trouble. Snooki is a name.

If you are not currently in a GOOD !!!! relationship... be worried.


Sometimes... I don't want to post on here, lol and let people just run the course. No one has to put stock into anything I post.

Let your woman NOT WORK... see what happens.

Don't get your kids tested... see what haters say behind your back (mostly her girlfriends that know her better than you do)

Ehh.... people aren't that different.... everybody likes Lex Luger shyt just as much as I do, you just won't admit it. Kanye and Jay Z had no bizznesss near that HAM ish though .... wtf?


Oh yeah, Bad Girls Club is going to phugg yo ish UP! it's the NEW Women Lib for young ho's... best thing you can do is to up your playa game to the Nth degree... because nuccaz now are 30 steps behind...

I would tell mf's what to do... but I'd get blasted by 15 people.

The word wisdom is like WIZARDRY now, nobody respects experience, lol.

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You gotta remember, that's 60k BEFORE taxes. And health insurance. and mortgage payments. And water bill. And car insurance. And student loan payments. And Cable bill. And credit card bills.


When I first graduated college, I was making 50k. And my monthly bills were 1500. That was just basics.


Then I got a house. And the student loans kicked in. And I got a better car. And a few credit cards. And 2 cell phones. And a vacation time share. And a motorcycle. And a better cable package. And higher speed internet.


And my monthly bills are 3000.


Start adding all those things in there, and that 50k becomes uncomfortable REAL QUICK.


I didn't get back to "comfortable" until I hit 75k, back in 2009.



Now, I'm getting back to my original comfort level, I kinda got out of control with the spending for about a year or so.



But yeah...60k sounds like alot of money, until you realize that you have to actually pay BILLS out of that


Cuz I'm like Rome. I like to live nicely, and have money to still take my lady out to eat on a regular basis, buy whatever I wanna buy, plus get the nieces and nephews nice gifts for their birthdays, Christmas, etc.

Another grown azz man has spoken.

Remember that I didn't always make what I make now but I always knew I could (it's the reason I left the military when even strangers were telling me - there's nothing out there)... actually I feel underpaid based on how much I'm relied on at my job.

... and since everybody calls me old, lol. How long do you plan to live, how much time do you plan to waste, are your at least a little bit smart? Who are you more special than?

Your life is nothing to play with. Maybe your parents didn't tell you that. Thinking you're better than Lil B isn't going to pay you shit.

Don't listen to a mf on a messageboard because I have wack music and am old and don't know ish and have no placements, lol.

I live a nice life without solely relying on music.... and I still do music.

It's not a put down that music doesn't pay my bills. My job buys me better music gear than most people's SoundClick sales... when I walk into Guitar Center, I walk out with something.

Damn I feel old because I have shit, lol. I'll take feeling old though.

 

[JayLip]

When I first graduated college, I was making 50k. And my monthly bills were 1500. That was just basics.


Then I got a house. And the student loans kicked in. And I got a better car. And a few credit cards. And 2 cell phones. And a vacation time share. And a motorcycle. And a better cable package. And higher speed internet.


And my monthly bills are 3000.


Start adding all those things in there, and that 50k becomes uncomfortable REAL QUICK.

You almost described my situation IDENTICAL!!! (no vacay time shares/motorcycle) Recent MSU grad breadwinner with a wife and student loans.

 

[SmokinAces]

What about people that would be more than happy making 60k (or even 30k) if it meant doing something they truly love? Let's be honest, most people IN AMERICA are not making a lot of money. And most people are working jobs they can't stand. Why not get paid, even if it's not millions of dollars, and be able to support yourself off what you love? People should concentrate more on quality of life rather than standard of living sometimes. In my honest opinion, if people weren't so worried about what you're supposed to be making and what you're supposed to have according to society's standards, the world would be a better place.

BTW, this is not a shot at ANYONE. Just adding to the dialogue.

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When I first graduated college, I was making 50k. And my monthly bills were 1500. That was just basics.


Then I got a house. And the student loans kicked in. And I got a better car. And a few credit cards. And 2 cell phones. And a vacation time share. And a motorcycle. And a better cable package. And higher speed internet.

Honest question, and I mean NO disrespect, but do you need all that? I mean honestly, they are nice perks (except the house. That's just smart), but could you have lived AND BEEN HAPPY more importantly without the time share and super cable package? (and why do you need 2 cell phones lol?

 

[j.troup]

What about people that would be more than happy making 60k (or even 30k) if it meant doing something they truly love? Let's be honest, most people IN AMERICA are not making a lot of money. And most people are working jobs they can't stand. Why not get paid, even if it's not millions of dollars, and be able to support yourself off what you love? People should concentrate more on quality of life rather than standard of living sometimes. In my honest opinion, if people weren't so worried about what you're supposed to be making and what you're supposed to have according to society's standards, the world would be a better place.

BTW, this is not a shot at ANYONE. Just adding to the dialogue.

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Honest question, and I mean NO disrespect, but do you need all that? I mean honestly, they are nice perks (except the house. That's just smart), but could you have lived AND BEEN HAPPY more importantly without the time share and super cable package? (and why do you need 2 cell phones lol?

Thing is, most people can't make 30,000 doing what they love. They are making $30,000 doing a job that they HATE, just so they can finance doing what they LOVE.

I'd be HAPPY to take more than HALF of a pay cut, if I could do music full time. But I gotta do this day job, cuz I can't quite support myself off music full time just yet. So I might as well make as much money as I can off the day job, while I'm working on music.


And asfar as I go, I can definitely live and be happy without my SUV, my motorcycle, my vacation spot, and my big screen TV.

But WHY?

Actually, right now, I work LESS than I did when I was making about half of what I make right now. I didn't have to do any more work to make more money in my day job...just had to make a jump to another company.


The convo was more about the realities of a salary. Money is comfort. Being broke is very, very stressful. Because life still happens when you're broke...you just have less money to take care of things that come up.


And I need 2 cell phones for music business and for personal. I don't like to mix the 2.

 

[biggrome]

What about people that would be more than happy making 60k (or even 30k) if it meant doing something they truly love? Let's be honest, most people IN AMERICA are not making a lot of money. And most people are working jobs they can't stand. Why not get paid, even if it's not millions of dollars, and be able to support yourself off what you love?

Because I have other people to support besides myself.

Kids get tired of pork n beans and hot dogs.

Wives like to be taken out to nice places.

... and I'm doing whatever pays the most, I don't like having droughts in between getting paid. It would be too stressful to have to have the kids share the last pack of Ramen because Daddy is waiting on his next placement. It would also be hella self-ish "I'm doing what I love... F y'all! Get a job!"

Different strokes for different folks. If people are fine rockin' potato sacks and flip flops more power to 'em. I hope their beats are hot enough to heat their home.

If everybody could do what they loved there would be no corporations or businesses at all. Everybody would work for themselves. I'm not the type to live off of a woman and play Hustle and Flow in real life.

Did you know that some people have to work at McDonald's just to have benefits for their family members? Sometimes it's not always about what YOU love.... your little brother and Grandma might need to hop on your medical and dental... and you just have to do what you gotta do. A lady her is still working and she's 70 years old. Her husband needs prescriptions... maybe she should get Fruity Loops and start grinding.

 

[SmokinAces]

Because I have other people to support besides myself.

Kids get tired of pork n beans and hot dogs.

Wives like to be taken out to nice places.

... and I'm doing whatever pays the most, I don't like having droughts in between getting paid. It would be too stressful to have to have the kids share the last pack of Ramen because Daddy is waiting on his next placement. It would also be hella self-ish "I'm doing what I love... F y'all! Get a job!"

Different strokes for different folks. If people are fine rockin' potato sacks and flip flops more power to 'em. I hope their beats are hot enough to heat their home.

Wow. I guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't taking shots at any one. Yes, if you have responsibilities, wives, kids, and such they come first. I didn't say be broke. NOWHERE IN MY POST DID I SAY "**** WORK, BE BROKE AND MAKE BEATS." It's just I feel some people have this attitude like either you're making millions off beats or you have to be the poor musician. That's not the case. People can make a decent living to support themselves. And honestly, nothing comes without sacrifice. If you love doing what you're doing, and you are able to do it, why not give it your all. There are millionaires who passed up on a more stable life at first to chase a dream that, at first did not make them much money. It's all about having faith in what you do and the effort you put in.

Plus, I think the fact that we as people look at making 60k a year as nothing or not enough says something about our society. I don't need a lot of extras. A place to lay my head, food on my table, and some good clothes on my back and insurance. You can live comfortably off 60K a year if you live smart and within your means. Granted you said you had a family so it adds a different element. But A SINGLE PERSON can't live, at the very least, decently off 60k? Come on now.

Don't get wrong. It's cool to want the extras. I WANT THE EXTRAS. But at the end of the day, I have a goal and a dream I plan to pursue and accomplish. That is most important to me right now. If that means sacrificing the luxuries now for something greater tomorrow, than I'll deal with that.

 

[biggrome]

Wow. I guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't taking shots at any one.

Plus, I think the fact that we as people look at making 60k a year as nothing or not enough says something about our society. I don't need a lot of extras. A place to lay my head, food on my table, and some good clothes on my back and insurance. You can live comfortably off 60K a year if you live smart and within your means. Granted you said you had a family so it adds a different element. But A SINGLE PERSON can't live, at the very least, decently off 60k? Come on now.

I read it, I wasn't taking shots at anybody either. Wtf? lol. I guess I'll use lots of emoticons from here on out. :rofl:

$60,000 a year as a single person "might" be okay somewhere other than where I live.

Also, you have to consider that what you're cool with may not be what everybody else is cool with. So I wouldn't say that other people should be happy with the "basics" because they may have been used to the basics and want more. There was a former NFL player on Real Sports complaining that he only makes $500,000 a year now after football... I know I would be happy with that but I can't tell him that he should be happy with it.

I don't do that dreaming thing either where I blue sky everything and say all I need is a studio apartment and my laptop and AKG's and I'm fine... I want everything I'm capable of getting plus some more.

:rofl:

This was not taking shots at anyone (sad that I have to type that)

 

[iambase]

"I just need financial freedom... if music aint gonna get it then eff music... i will get back to it when I am financially free."

That's what I tell myself everyday... tough choice though.. Music is fun. But fun doesn't full stomachs.

I just need a placement, or something to prove that i'm involved in either telecom, media and/or technology more than the other guy. Somthing I can put on my resume that wouldnt sound too amateurish. I honestly don't see me as a musician when I'm old. But having Mike Carren's career for instance would have been nice.

 

[j.troup]

"I just need financial freedom... if music aint gonna get it then eff music... i will get back to it when I am financially free."

That's what I tell myself everyday... tough choice though.. Music is fun. But fun doesn't full stomachs.

I just need a placement, or something to prove that i'm involved in either telecom, media and/or technology more than the other guy. Somthing I can put on my resume that wouldnt sound too amateurish. I honestly don't see me as a musician when I'm old. But having Mike Carren's career for instance would have been nice.

That's what I'm working on right now. Not even Jimmy Iovine was a record producer forever.

 

[SmokinAces]

I read it, I wasn't taking shots at anybody either. Wtf? lol. I guess I'll use lots of emoticons from here on out. :rofl:

$60,000 a year as a single person "might" be okay somewhere other than where I live.

Also, you have to consider that what you're cool with may not be what everybody else is cool with. So I wouldn't say that other people should be happy with the "basics" because they may have been used to the basics and want more. There was a former NFL player on Real Sports complaining that he only makes $500,000 a year now after football... I know I would be happy with that but I can't tell him that he should be happy with it.

I don't do that dreaming thing either where I blue sky everything and say all I need is a studio apartment and my laptop and AKG's and I'm fine... I want everything I'm capable of getting plus some more.

:rofl:

This was not taking shots at anyone (sad that I have to type that)

My fault for speculating. Yes I can't tell someone how much they should be comfortable making. But isn't it sad that we live in a society where WELL over 50% of the population makes less than 46k a year (that's joint income btw) but a man can complain about making 500,000. Excuse me, but that seems skewed a bit.

As far as the "dreaming" bit. Yes I still dream. But I am actively working to accomplish those dreams. I'm not just "blue skying" everything. And I too want everything I'm capable of plus more. But am I willing to sacrifice my dream, my passion, the thing that I wish to do the most? No. I can live in a studio apartment with my shit as long as I know I am working towards something I care about and feel passionate about.

 

[j.troup]

My fault for speculating. Yes I can't tell someone how much they should be comfortable making. But isn't it sad that we live in a society where WELL over 50% of the population makes less than 46k a year (that's joint income btw) but a man can complain about making 500,000. Excuse me, but that seems skewed a bit.

As far as the "dreaming" bit. Yes I still dream. But I am actively working to accomplish those dreams. I'm not just "blue skying" everything. And I too want everything I'm capable of plus more. But am I willing to sacrifice my dream, my passion, the thing that I wish to do the most? No. I can live in a studio apartment with my shit as long as I know I am working towards something I care about and feel passionate about.

Yeah, I'm willing to do that. But I don't have to. So why would I?


The higher you go up the chain, the less you have to work, really. And the MORE time you have to pursue your dreams.


If I had a job making like 30k, I'd probably be working so hard at the damn job, that I wouldn't be able to do anything but sleep. I wouldn't have time to chase my dreams.


Not only that, chasing my dreams costs MONEY, and I wouldn't have any money to do that...cuz I'd be spending all of my money on EATING and having a place to SLEEP.


Moving up the chain actually gives you more flexibility to chase your dream.


That's why I finished college and got a good job BEFORE I started the whole dream chasing thing.


It's working out great for me so far. I can chase my dream, AND live how I want to live.



Don't be broke if you don't have to.

 

[SmokinAces]

Okay let me say this. I'm not trying to down Troup or Rome's success's in life. If you are living comfortably and doing your thing more power to you guys. And trust, I have my struggles going on but I don't plan on being broke forever. But I think this idea of you must be stable and have a good job that pays over 60k in order to pursue music is a little off. If that was the case, there would be A LOT of artists that did not exist right now. Hell, a lot of business men and women wouldn't be popping right now. Some people have left jobs that paid very well to pursue something they had a passion for. Some lost tons of money, moved back in with parents, got rid of cars, got a smaller house or apartment and did what they had to do to make their goals a reality.

As far as not having time to chase the dream, I was in the military. While deployed in Afghanistan, after working 12, 16, 20 hours on shifts, guard duty, my actual job (intel), etc, I still would go back to my room and work on my craft for HOURS.

I guess all this comes to a post I saw a while back. How much and what would you sacrifice for this. Now, I understand for a guy like me who doesn't really have much to lose it's easier to say **** it. But still...

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Did you know that some people have to work at McDonald's just to have benefits for their family members? Sometimes it's not always about what YOU love.... your little brother and Grandma might need to hop on your medical and dental... and you just have to do what you gotta do. A lady her is still working and she's 70 years old. Her husband needs prescriptions... maybe she should get Fruity Loops and start grinding.

Trust fam. If anybody knows about doing what you have to do for the fam, I know. But at the end of the day, YOU are the only one that has to live YOUR life. That's how people end up with resentment and hatred towards their own family members. And what if you going after what YOU want can be a benefit in the future for not only your living family but also for generations to come?

 

[iambase]

That's kind of selfish...
And honestly, it's either work so that you get a super nice pay and reinvest.
Or go full time but pray because you will prolly end up flippin burgers part time and eat pasta all day everyday.

And in today's industry, I'm reeeeaally not sure you can afford to be broke. At the very very least to improve your gear. (it's DIY big time nowadays, from engineering to promo)


And resentment/ hatred toward your own family ? oww C'mon son. Only people who are lying to themselves and throwing their own faults onto others would resent their family. you can have regrets for yourself okay... that can be understandable.


Everyone is thinking of making music and then getting successful. Why not trying to get successful first, or at least to give oneself more opportunities ?

 

[SmokinAces]

That's kind of selfish...
And honestly, it's either work so that you get a super nice pay.
Or go full time but pray because you will prolly end up flippin burgers part time and eat pasta all day everyday.

And in today's industry, I'm reeeeaally not sure you can afford to be broke. At least to improve your gear.


And resentment/ hatres toward your own family ? oww C'mon son. Only people who are lying to themselves and throwing their own faults onto others would resent their family. you can have regrets for yourself okay... that can be understandable.

It's messed up but trust I've seen it happen. Maybe not pure hatred bit of a strong word. And not me personally.

And yes I know that the statement came off selfish. But does that make it any less true? You are the one who is going to have to deal with the decisions you make head on. In my opinion, the more you put into becoming a better and happier person, the better it is for everyone.

 

[JeanLukPigheart]

The higher you go up the chain, the less you have to work, really. And the MORE time you have to pursue your dreams.

That's true to some extent, but you are missing a variable.
We hear people talking about "making it" or "hitting the jackpot".
But a majority of those who won the lottery went broke or are significantly LESS happy than people who didn't.

Now with work, it's similar. Those who "hit the jackpot" chase that feeling.
It's better to have Top10 hits on a regular basis than to have a #1 hit...........and disappear after that.

Back to the point I was trying to make about "making it".

Some people don't think there is a "finish line". They actually LOVE what they do and find new goals whenever they "hit".
Take Michael Jordan. Was a ring enough? Did he play less or worse after they beat the Lakers in 1991? No.
So it's not necessarily true that they work less, when they achieve more. For some, it's loving their work (and not caring for the results that much), some are extremely competitive and ambitious and some are simply greedy and just wanna be better than the "next man".

I think being ambitious is the "core" to being happy AND successful.
Reaching your goals and thinking "I made it!" will almost guarantee that you will feel LESS happy after said goal is reached.

You haven't heard a man with a 100feet-yacht almost crying when he talks about his "neighbor", who just bought a 110feet-yacht.
"Success" is strange. It only satisfies those who don't care that much.