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j.troup said:
You're not entitled to anything that you sign away.

It goes like this....


Label - "We'll use your song as a single, but we want 100% of your publishing. If you don't agree, we'll give this $2500 check to a producer who will agree. So either take this check and get on the album, or don't. Your choice."

Rookie Producer - "Okay. Where do I sign?"


It's that simple.


Just because you get a check, doesn't mean you HAVE to get your publishing.
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Like D. Wells said, it's about leverage at that point. You gotta think about your long term career and be honest with yourself. Did you just write the next Umbrella or the next album filler whatever joint? If you got a smash, you can get diff ppl to bid for it, thus gaining leverage which allows you to negotiate a better deal. If nobody wants your track except one cat, and he/she doesn't really even give that much of a ****, then what the hell do you have to lose? No one else wants it anyway. Use the credit to get a better deal next time man.

And I don't have tunnel vision homie, I was trying to stay on the topic of the thread. It's you guys that keep going here and there with the posts.
 
I like going here and there. plus some people here are way to serious, and still don't know what's up. this is funny to me.
 
work for hire is a NO NO! that means you dont get credit for nothing. I wouldnt do that unless the check was right. Signing off your publishing isnt rare at all. Sometimes we gotta make sacrificial moves to get better position on the board to make BIGGER MOVES.. but I would only do it with certain labels. With a big placement you get major exposure and STRIPES.. if you noticed.. some of these big producers are not that good.. but they got the credits.. so they can charge what they charge. Im not saying all but most big labels are more worried about the NAMES that are featured on the album rather than the quality of the music so you gotta be prepared to make sacrificial moves in order to charge what you're really worth in the future. Me personally ..i dont hold on to my beats like they were the last beats i will ever make... i know tomorrow ima be a better producer than i am today.. and thats with everybody.. so really that sacrificial move is nothin if you belive in yourself... that aint gonna be the last beat you make and certainly not the best if you keep at it...
 
Charli Brown said:
work for hire is a NO NO! that means you dont get credit for nothing. I wouldnt do that unless the check was right. Signing off your publishing isnt rare at all. Sometimes we gotta make sacrificial moves to get better position on the board to make BIGGER MOVES.. but I would only do it with certain labels. With a big placement you get major exposure and STRIPES.. if you noticed.. some of these big producers are not that good.. but they got the credits.. so they can charge what they charge. Im not saying all but most big labels are more worried about the NAMES that are featured on the album rather than the quality of the music so you gotta be prepared to make sacrificial moves in order to charge what you're really worth in the future. Me personally ..i dont hold on to my beats like they were the last beats i will ever make... i know tomorrow ima be a better producer than i am today.. and thats with everybody.. so really that sacrificial move is nothin if you belive in yourself... that aint gonna be the last beat you make and certainly not the best if you keep at it...
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I use to think like that...until I realized how 'little' power labels have nowadays. The power is now in the hands of the people. You no longer have to sale yourself short in order to position yourself. The people are simple...deliver a great product and we'll reward you with our business.

Once, we as producers, redefine what success is in this business, we'll notice how vast the reach of the people are, and when that happens, we'll notice how many doors are actually available to us that are NOT major label controlled.
 
^^right because theres money in the indie world too! but thats when you just happy with makin a livin and not MAKIN A KILLIN.. aint nothin wrong with it.. me personally.. i need that major label gwop.. and i know talent alone aint gonna get me there.. if you ask any of these people gettin major money theyll all tell you.. only if you knew the things ive had to go through to be here...
 
Charli Brown said:
^^right because theres money in the indie world too! but thats when you just happy with makin a livin and not MAKIN A KILLIN.. aint nothin wrong with it.. me personally.. i need that major label gwop.. and i know talent alone aint gonna get me there.. if you ask any of these people gettin major money theyll all tell you.. only if you knew the things ive had to go through to be here...
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It all comes down to the individual. My team and I are content with making a living, although, making a killing would be nice as well. But our main priority is doing business ethically. We believe in fair and balanced compensation. If major labels cannot supply us with a deal of that nature, then we are determined to find it else where or create a lane for ourselves. The majority of my teammates are already making 100k+ from lucritive career choices, so we're not in a hurry to sale ourselves short...if at all. So it most definitely comes down to the individual.
 
dwells said:
people here are way to serious, and still don't know what's up. this is funny to me.
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I couldn't agree more... :cheers:

I can't believe I just read the entire post..LoL. (skimming through some of tha drama, of course)

I just wanted to shout out a big thanks to all the people who are on this site educating others, you are a blessing. Without you some people wouldn't have a pot to piss in. (Myself included) Class is in session.


I learned a few things (and judging by F_or_deaf's responses he learned alot too LoL!! I know you're saving all this s*it right? peace bruh!:cheers:)

-The review-

1. The way you can make money in the recording industry is changing and if you don't understand that and change your schematic before it does, you might as well take a number and grab a seat.

2. Invest in yourself. If you don't how do you expect others to invest into you?

3. The web is one of the BIGGEST tool's available. It will help spread you around without (hopefully) spreading you thin.

3. EGO's can set you back.

4. Its best to leave business to the professionals and leave feelings in your pocket. (opposite your money)

5. Its very very important to educate yourself (yes, do your homework) but don't mistake book smarts for street smarts (book=reading street=doing)

6. Peep game from the ones who are out there DOIN IT NOW. There are blueprints to success. (Remember they was once in your position and most have been through many changes in the weather to get where they are now) peeping what they did can actually help you save some time on your road to (what you consider) success.

7. Different strokes for different folks- What works for some, might not work for others.

8. Peep game but don't focus too hard on what the next man is doing, that might just slow down your progress....

-There's plenty more but who am I to tell it? (I'm just that grey fifty in tha pic...LoL)

....With that being said I'm gonna end this with a quote that sticks in my head and I hope it does in yours:

Progress and change can only occur from doing new things and innovating, dreaming the impossible and reaching for the stars...

Peace-
 
dwells said:
dude this is a work for hire.....there is no advance. that's all you get. sounds like you were hosed. You need to learn more about publishing and what an advance is.
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You're funny. I'm just gonna leave it at that.



dwells said:
For everyone else, this is a perfect example why you need to do homework on the people you are dealing with and why you need to have a real entertainment lawyer. and why you need to be humble and have your business in order before you you enter the environment. also keep in mind it is a leverage game, if you don't have any, you don't have any.
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You're absolutely right. And mine stays on point. He's great.
 
Voss25 said:
Like D. Wells said, it's about leverage at that point. You gotta think about your long term career and be honest with yourself. Did you just write the next Umbrella or the next album filler whatever joint? If you got a smash, you can get diff ppl to bid for it, thus gaining leverage which allows you to negotiate a better deal. If nobody wants your track except one cat, and he/she doesn't really even give that much of a ****, then what the hell do you have to lose? No one else wants it anyway. Use the credit to get a better deal next time man.

And I don't have tunnel vision homie, I was trying to stay on the topic of the thread. It's you guys that keep going here and there with the posts.
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And the ENTIRE point that I'm trying to impress upon people is that AS A ROOKIE, YOU HAVE NO LEVERAGE!!!!!!!!


You could have a smash of a song, but as a rookie, you have no leverage. So it's very possible, and even likely in this climate, that you'll get Deebo'd out of your song...and your publishing.


So as a rookie, it's becoming increasingly improbable to attain the track record (defined as major label placements) to build the LEVERAGE so that you can ESCAPE THE RAPE...WITHOUT BENDING OVER...ALOT.


That's all I'm saying. There is more MUSIC BUSINESS outside of the major label system than there is within the major label system. You have to be creative in your business strategy in order to recognize those oportunities and capatalize on them.


I just don't understand why people still think that placements are the end all, be all of music business. People in this thread are still basing their whole way of thinking, their whole mindset, their whole business strategy, EVERYTHING on the concep of MAJOR PLACEMENTS.


Major Placements are about to go the way of the 8 track tape. And so will your career aspirations if you don't start looking in other directions.
 
Charli Brown said:
work for hire is a NO NO! that means you dont get credit for nothing...

most big labels are more worried about the NAMES that are featured on the album rather than the quality of the music...

i dont hold on to my beats like they were the last beats i will ever make... i know tomorrow ima be a better producer than i am today...
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solid post!
 
Steve Hitta said:
I learned a few things (and judging by F_or_deaf's responses he learned alot too LoL!! I know you're saving all this s*it right?)
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j.troup said:
There is more MUSIC BUSINESS outside of the major label system than there is within the major label system.
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D.Wells: I know it's entertainment to you lol...i was referring to other ppl tho.

Charlie Brown: Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Make those baby steps up the ladder.....but I don't see what's wrong with a work for hire if you go in there with the mind frame of a session musician. It's extra money that you wouldn't have otherwise. Multiple streams of income is a good thing. You gotta negotiate the credit tho. Even if there's no publishing, that credit leads to more work.

Steve Hitta: Nice little summary! Lots more to it, but that's a nice start.

jTroup: Bro, can you look past the fact that rooks have no leverage? Look beyond that man. See the big picture. BTW, I'm not anti Indie, but you seem anti Major. DO BOTH! You don't have to pick sides. There's plenty of ppl that work within the major labels and still have an indie thing going at the same time.

You just seem bitter because the opps you were presented with were anal raping contracts. Like Jackpot and aGiven were talking about in a diff thread a while ago, everyone's situation is different. Good luck with your site. I wish you nothing but success.
 
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Voss25 said:
jTroup: Bro, can you look past the fact that rooks have no leverage? Look beyond that man. See the big picture. BTW, I'm not anti Indie, but you seem anti Major. DO BOTH! You don't have to pick sides. There's plenty of ppl that work within the major labels and still have an indie thing going at the same time.

You just seem bitter because the opps you were presented with were anal raping contracts. Like Jackpot and aGiven were talking about in a diff thread a while ago, everyone's situation is different. Good luck with your site. I wish you nothing but success.
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You can't look past the fact the rookies have no leverage, when rookies are looking at major placements as the only form of a viable career in music.

I do see the big picture. I'm not anti-major in the least. I'm anti FAILING. And the major label system as we once knew it is FAILING. So I'm anti people hanging their hopes and dreams on a system that is failing. I'm anti people being blind to what is ACTUALLY going on inside of the major label system.

I've been presented with some pretty fair opportunities as well. The last deal that I signed was very fair.

I'm very PRO being educated about the business, and very PRO making your own opportunities. I'm very PRO thinking outside the box and taking your own career into your own hands.


I'm very pro MAKING IT HAPPEN instead of waiting for someone to LET IT HAPPEN.


Because people are too busy trying to make themselves rich, to worry about making you rich.


I tell the artists I work with that all the time. I tell them flat out that I'm busy making myself a success...you want success? Then don't wait on me to give it to you, because it's not gonna happen. Make YOURSELF a success. Because I'm not gonna do it for you.

And they completely understand.



Other people need to understand that.
 
Voss25 said:
You gotta negotiate the credit tho. Even if there's no publishing, that credit leads to more work.
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are you saying that "credit" is more important than "publishing" in certain scenarios?
 
j.troup said:
people are too busy trying to make themselves rich, to worry about making you rich.

I tell the artists I work with that all the time. I tell them flat out that I'm busy making myself a success...you want success? Then don't wait on me to give it to you, because it's not gonna happen. Make YOURSELF a success. Because I'm not gonna do it for you.

And they completely understand.

Other people need to understand that.
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if you tell artists that, then what exactly are they working w/ you for if you can't make them a "success"?

isn't that why artists work w/ producah'z in the first place?
 
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