WTF! Texas Board Of Education Declare Hip Hop Is Not A Cultural Movement

[Live a Dream]

Do y'all think calling the white house 'white house' is racist? lol

 

[JeanLukPigheart]

yessir

there is a neverending struggle for race superiority..

But what is that super-race called, 'cause last time I looked, dumb people come in all colors (well, Jews and Asians are all super-smart). LOL

so money means jack shyt when it comes to what is real value..morals has no pricetag..ethics has no pricetag...knowledge has no pricetag..respect has no pricetag but greed does and changing information in text books for no fukn reason other than animosity,grudgefulness or guilt,is clearly a greed for power.

I agree with you, except for that one point.
In this day and age, ONLY knowledge has a price tag.

You and I know people with family businesses who didn't make shyt happen, while I know KIDS (I mean 12-13 year old) who teach advanced Java techniques to people running multi-million/billion businesses.............because they know what they are talking about.

Henry Ford:

"I am looking for men who have an infinite capacity to not know what can't be done."

and

"You can't learn in school what the world is going to do next year. "

LOL

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

there is a neverending struggle for race superiority

so why are so many people in denial about that fact and the fact about WHICH RACE (white or non-white people) wants to be eternally "superior" over the other???

..just like this neverending war or terrorism or war on drugs...

and why are people in denial about WHO THE VICTIMS ARE with those "wars"???

war on terrorism = non-white "middle easterners"

war on drugs = non-white "black" people

war on immigration = non-white "mexicans"

 

[GST]

because they use words like 'terrorists' instead of 'niggers and ppl that ain't white'..'drugs' instead of 'the niggers who use and crowd the jail system for selling them,thereby inflating our state and local taxes'..just like 'abortion' and 'birth control pills' were code words for 'black population control' but that didn't workout like they'd hoped either

ppl will not wake up until it affects them personally..there wasn't a war on drug until Tom and Rebecca found dope in little Billy's sock drawer..they didn't put a stop sign on that particular corner til 3 kids got hit and killed by someone speeding...spanking your kids wasn't a problem until white folks chidren started killing their parents...it goes on and on

 

[Dot_Robinson]

In all honesty, I simply don't care. The people who pushing for a more conservative tone in these texts books are the same people who still don't understand Hip-Hop itself. To argue something so obvious would be a waste of breath. Just turn on your TV. The power of Hip-Hop is everywhere and it's influence is far reaching.

 

[2nice]

at the end of the day, the fact is that these dudes in texas are not academics, they're ideologues. most real academics in the country have taken anthropology and musicology and recognize that rap is obviously an important american "cultural movement" even if they don't like it.

thing is, real academics like harvard/columbia professors, don't write elementary/middle/high school textbooks, and in public schools the textbook industry has been dominated by non-academic ideologues for a long time, because it is such an ideologically sensitive subject: it's what we're teaching the kids. so naturally all the people who feel the strongest about their ideology are going to try to stake a claim on the decision-making process behind textbook content.

but the fact is that you can't rewrite history from the position of a frustrated texan working at the board of education. sure, you can influence what people get taught. but when people like that try to rewrite history itself, real academics jump all over them.

that's why, when you get to places like harvard or columbia (where i went), and when you learn from *those* teachers, they will use words like "imperialism" that are getting erased from texas textbooks. because, in this case for example, "imperialism" is what actually happened -- "expansionism" (the texan alternate) is just a whitewash.

 

[Voss25]

Some of us just ain't torn up because teaching starts at home. My 2 year old daughter already knows more "black history" than she'll learn in a classroom. Some folk don't rely on the gov't to do sh*t for them. I do feel bad for kids that won't learn sh*t anywhere but in a classroom or corner, but even if the ciricullum was there, they're the type that don't learn it anyway...

Again, I feel that's a very selfish way to look at it. I know you're not using these words, but what you're basically saying is: "Oh well, my kid's gonna be fine. Fvck everybody else."

My mother has been a caregiver for the last 12 years. She takes care of people's kids who don't have the time to do it themselves cuz both parents work, go to school, are disabled, or whatever. What I saw in the kids was that the majority of the parents neglected to teach them much of anything.

They learned way more from my mother than from their own parents. This was evident in the way they acted and things they said on Mondays (when they had spent time with their parents for 2 straight days) as opposed to Thursdays or Fridays when my mother had taken care of them for a few consecutive days.

Not every household is going to have parents who will teach their kids properly. Not every parent is even qualified to teach anyone anything because they themselves aren't properly educated. Especially young parents.

So Deranged, although your child is lucky enough to have parents who will take the time to bring them up right, does a child who isn't as privileged not deserve a proper education?

You should really go and watch that frog video I posted earlier, if you haven't already.

ppl will not wake up until it affects them personally..there wasn't a war on drug until Tom and Rebecca found dope in little Billy's sock drawer..they didn't put a stop sign on that particular corner til 3 kids got hit and killed by someone speeding...spanking your kids wasn't a problem until white folks chidren started killing their parents...it goes on and on

QFT

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

because they use words like 'terrorists' instead of 'niggers and ppl that ain't white'..'drugs' instead of 'the niggers who use and crowd the jail system for selling them,thereby inflating our state and local taxes'..just like 'abortion' and 'birth control pills' were code words for 'black population control' but that didn't workout like they'd hoped either

exactly.

drugs = chemical warfare on non-white people.

jails = economic warfare on non-white people

abortion / birth control = genetic warfare on non-white people

H.I.V. / A.I.D.S. = biological warfare on non-white people

ALL OF THESE THINGS I HAVE OUTLINED DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT NON-WHITE PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

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I feel that's a very selfish way to look at it

exactly what i thought when i read what dog said...

 

[Voss25]

I've been saying this, but here is one member of the board pretty much admitting it:

As Cynthia Dunbar, another Christian activist on the Texas board, put it, "The philosophy of the classroom in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next."

Read that again.

Cynthia Dunbar wrote a book called "One Nation Under God" and in it she bashes liberals, non-Americans, non-White Americans, non-Christians and refers to herself and others like her as "beacon of hope in a lost and dying world."

She also said:

“this battle for our nation’s children and who will control their education and training is crucial to our success for reclaiming our nation.”

RECLAIMING? You mean reverting to a White Christian nation? A "pure" nation?

I wonder if she has Hitler on her Facebook friends.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

"beacon of hope in a lost and dying world."

and that's the thing.

too many people nowadays act like racism is a thing of the past...they want to act like it's an isolated incident whenever it comes up.

see, the main thing that most people fail to understand is that if the people "in power" are racist, then we have a much bigger problem on our hands than we even realize.

not enough people have connected the dots for themselves yet...why?

for mainly two reasons:

either they have been lied to their whole lives throughout school, and have been pointed away or deterred from learning the truth about how things have been set up and why

or

they are already somewhat aware of these things but are too AFRAID to say anything on a large scale...because they don't want to jeopardize material things & how certain people will view them.

 

[O'Neal]

All music is art to me.

I dont consider it a money maker, a movement, street music, or any other non-sensical bulls**t.

Music is just audible paintings.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

"there are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting." - The Buddha

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Be the change you want to see in the world

quoted for truth...

 

[biggrome]

Older Black people laughed at and didn't like Hip HOP for a long time when it came out... they eventually came around. Well some of them.

PANTS ON THE GROUND !!! PANTS ON THE GROUND !!!! LOOKING LIKE A FOOL WIT CHO PANTS ON THE GROUND !!!

That's still what most of the world thinks about Hip Hop and Hip Hop Culture...

I don't let my kids listen to much Hip Hop music. They listen to Black Eye Peas and stuff that close to Hip Hop. If they never learn anything about Tupac or Biggie, I won't be mad at all.

Not sure what positive impact on society they had...

They can learn about Chuck D and Common though...

Maybe they should have a chapter dedicated to Uncle Luke, Trick Trick, Gucci Mane, Remy Ma, Eazy E, New Boyz, etc.

"Ok class, turn to page 83 and we're going to discuss a Hip Hop anthem from Uncle Luke and the 2 LIVE CREW, first can anyone in the class finish this lyric for extra credit... it goes... HEAD!, BOOTY! AND **** ! - who knows the rest?"

".... ummmm... what cho mama like?"

"THAT'S CORRECT! How did you know that and tell your Daddy to call me"

 

[GST]

I thought it was 'HEAD!..HEAD!..AND MO' HEAD!' ?

 

[2nice]

Older Black people laughed at and didn't like Hip HOP for a long time when it came out... they eventually came around. Well some of them.

PANTS ON THE GROUND !!! PANTS ON THE GROUND !!!! LOOKING LIKE A FOOL WIT CHO PANTS ON THE GROUND !!!

That's still what most of the world thinks about Hip Hop and Hip Hop Culture...

I don't let my kids listen to much Hip Hop music. They listen to Black Eye Peas and stuff that close to Hip Hop. If they never learn anything about Tupac or Biggie, I won't be mad at all.

Not sure what positive impact on society they had...

They can learn about Chuck D and Common though...

Maybe they should have a chapter dedicated to Uncle Luke, Trick Trick, Gucci Mane, Remy Ma, Eazy E, New Boyz, etc.

"Ok class, turn to page 83 and we're going to discuss a Hip Hop anthem from Uncle Luke and the 2 LIVE CREW, first can anyone in the class finish this lyric for extra credit... it goes... HEAD!, BOOTY! AND **** ! - who knows the rest?"

".... ummmm... what cho mama like?"

"THAT'S CORRECT! How did you know that and tell your Daddy to call me"

man if they try to sanitize hip hop in the textbooks and make it seem like its all about consciousness, mind-expanding, and social awareness, and let's just erase anything like biggie or 2pac that has a trace of angst -- man that is some lame whitewashing.

sure, for the kids, we have to keep things appropriate to an extent. we have to bleep out the curse words, and with something like hardcore rap, if you bleep out the curse words you will lose half the song. true. so you watch what you play for them until they get old enough. but at a certain point, this whole approach of being so selective is just causing kids to be sheltered.

also the attempt to shelter kids from gangster stuff (mind you, some of the best rap *ever* has been gangster rap), is also conflated with this other dynamic: that some non-child music listeners start to dream up a mistaken, false dichotomy, between lowbrow and highbrow hip hop. i don't buy into the notion that some rap artists are more "cultured" than others (or if they are, i don't think it matters at all). of course some rappers are smarter than others, but not across entire subgenres -- it's not like all southern rap is dumb and all underground conscious rap is intelligent. dudes from UGK (southern) are much smarter musicians than someone like esoteric (boston underground). and when people make these high-rap/low-rap distinctions, it's about more than just smarts, it's about the overall energy of the music... of course everyone in the mainstream, all the outsiders who dabble in some hip-hop listening, will want to sound more "cultured" by approving of the tame, polite stuff and rejecting anything with attitude. 2pac, bone thugs, onyx? who cares if its good, that's *thug music*!! it promotes violence!! it's going to infect our children with social disease!! noooo! change the channel... Lite-FM or something!!

as soon as i have kids and they are old enough to hear curse words, i'll let them listen to 2pac. and i will *disallow* them from listening to schmaltzy lite radio stuff: "kids this **** is lame, and the only people who listen to it are the people who *have* to listen to it because they are shopping at the time and they never turn this **** off at the grocery store." screw the tame music, i'll let them wild out with some 2pac, wu tang, hendrix, or alice in chains, if they feel like it. and meanwhile i'll make sure they do well in school, which is *far* more important than what media they are exposed to or sheltered from.

and dude, u aint sure what positive impact on society biggie and 2pac had? i don't know, if you are such a legendary artist that you inspire thousands upon thousands of people to take up the artform themselves, i'd call that the gift of inspiration, or the gift of motivation. and of those thousands of people who take up the craft, don't u think that sort of constructive use of their time might be beneficial to their growth and habits? thanks to biggie and 2pac, thousands of kids and young adults have a creative outlet that they are not only willing but eager to commit their time to. that's a HUGE contribution so society. rapping about *anything* and reaching that many people with the inspiration, goes a lot farther than writing about peace and flowers and reaching ten percent as many people. not to mention, 2pac has many lyrics that speak to social awareness.

 

[biggrome]

I thought it was 'HEAD!..HEAD!..AND MO' HEAD!' ?

That's taught in the sex ed class not the history class.

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as soon as i have kids and they are old enough to hear curse words, i'll let them listen to 2pac. and meanwhile i'll make sure they do well in school, which is far more important than what media they are exposed to or sheltered from.

and dude, u aint sure what positive impact on society biggie and 2pac had? i don't know, if you are such a legendary artist that you inspire thousands upon thousands of people to take up the artform themselves, i'd call that the gift of inspiration, or the gift of motivation. and of those thousands of people who take up the craft, don't u think that sort of constructive use of their time might be beneficial to their growth and habits? thanks to biggie and 2pac, thousands of kids and young adults have a creative outlet that they are not only willing but eager to commit their time to. that's a HUGE contribution so society. rapping about *anything* and reaching that many people with the inspiration, goes a lot farther than writing about peace and flowers and reaching ten percent as many people. not to mention, 2pac has many lyrics that speak to social awareness.

Yeah, I GET AROUND and GIMME THE LOOT inspired millions.

You know you can inspire / influence people to do negative things right?

Right now somebody's daughter is shaking in front of 10 dudes while "How low can you go" plays. I don't need my daughter listening to that.

You don't have kids and from what you said - you should never have kids unless you have a stash of bail / abortion money.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

Again, I feel that's a very selfish way to look at it. I know you're not using these words, but what you're basically saying is: "Oh well, my kid's gonna be fine. Fvck everybody else."

My mother has been a caregiver for the last 12 years. She takes care of people's kids who don't have the time to do it themselves cuz both parents work, go to school, are disabled, or whatever. What I saw in the kids was that the majority of the parents neglected to teach them much of anything.

They learned way more from my mother than from their own parents. This was evident in the way they acted and things they said on Mondays (when they had spent time with their parents for 2 straight days) as opposed to Thursdays or Fridays when my mother had taken care of them for a few consecutive days.

Not every household is going to have parents who will teach their kids properly. Not every parent is even qualified to teach anyone anything because they themselves aren't properly educated. Especially young parents.

So Deranged, although your child is lucky enough to have parents who will take the time to bring them up right, does a child who isn't as privileged not deserve a proper education?

You should really go and watch that frog video I posted earlier, if you haven't already.

I'm "selfish" for taking time to raise my kids that I could be using for personal gain if I prioritized it above family? Lol. How many men can say they raise their kids without lying to themselves. Some who live in the same home as them can't, but "i'm selfish". I'm sure some of the folk bent out of shape about sh*t getting taken out of their kids books go days/weeks/months without seeing theirs. You trying to make excuses for others who put other things in front of teaching their kids by making me seem like the selfish one.

F**k some kid with a nanny. If he got a nanny, he can afford to get out of that situation in college when he sexually assaults a chick. He'll be aiight when that prostitute OD's in his hotel room while he's running for governor. You could at least give examples of kids who come home to nothing and have to fend for themselves cause their parents still ain't home....but that would be a waste of time, cause those guiys will already know enough about hip hop culture without it being in a school book.

I get you guys and your secondary agenda arguments, but theirs alread primary agendas at work, tertiary and quaternary agendas on blueprinted and on the drawing boards. You can't do sh*t but lace up your boots and make sure your sh*t is in order. Most bumpin gums can't say they have control over anything. I can at least say i have it over my home knowing all the same sh*t y'all soap box preaching without it making me blink twice. I've been in the "soapbox preacher's" shoes. Get real responsibility, and you learn to look out for your primary agenda, or you just going with the mainstream failing at saving the whole world while you could win at saving your surroundings.

But none of that will make a lick of difference from putting hip hop in a f**king school book. Hip hop's just as much the problem as the f**king school book. Lol.

 

[GST]

man plz

when mofos come to burn your shyt down,the only thing you can do is bust your gun and hope you can protect it..it ain't just about your world..it's about being aware of the dangers that could fuk your world up and preventing it

 

[MUSIKFIEND]

lol @ the people up here who grew up on hip-hop not wanting their kids to hear it & only focusing on the negative aspects of it as a reason. Do i want my TEEN learning about Gucci Mane, Unkle Luke, etc in school. Hell No!! Would i mind them learning about Chuck D, KRS One, Nas, etc., I wouldn't have a problem w/ that. If their teaching them about country, then they should teach them about soul & hip-hop as well. It's only right. Notice a lot of the sheltered kids always wind up the most f*cked up in the long run, lol.

 

[GST]

and it's not like they dedicate a whole chapter to hip hop music,do they? if anything,a couple paragraphs,right? it all correlates to black history which is American history,so it just seems like some really big hatin going on