Why Do Dr Dre's Drums Sound Louder Than Everything Else

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i didn't read all the posts but...

don't worry about the meters to much if your kick sounds good but the track is clipping according to pro tools or whatever program you use **** it... trust your ears... and yeah analog tape will definitely sound different than something digital... i've worked with a ssl 6000 (basically the same as the 4000 the 6000 is built for broadcasting) and although ssl compressors are pretty good if your kick sound isn't good to begin with it's not gonna fix it... try to layer your kick drum even if it is the same sound just as you would do to your vocal track to make it stand out more in the mix... try to compress one layer and add the original on top... try using signal generator with an expander to add some low... there are so many things you could try...
 
I was about to call the police... niggas bringing guns out over Dr. Dre...

*crazed look*

this shyt ain't right man... this shyt ain't right...
 
I can't believe nobodys mentioning those A/D converters, they go a long way in getting more thump. Rosetta Apogee is the truth.
 
chronic 2001 was record onto and mixed from tape... so no converters there...
 
E-ONE said:
chronic 2001 was record onto and mixed from tape... so no converters there...
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LOL

so the mpc's he used were analog, and so were the cd's that were pressed up?
 
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orjanbeats said:
LOL

so the mpc's he used were analog, and so were the cd's that were pressed up?
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Point is, when something is recorded into tape, mixed in that realm (analog) etc, it sure as hell sounds different from just recording **** from mpc to an straight digital realm.
 
1005 said:
Point is, when something is recorded into tape, mixed in that realm (analog) etc, it sure as hell sounds different from just recording **** from mpc to an straight digital realm.
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damn, are you sure that was the point? i could have sworn he said
E-ONE said:
so no converters there...
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Lol @ these tape arguements. Read the credits they mention pro tools on the chonic 2001 I do believe
 
KomplexBeats said:
smart use of panning and rolling off unwanted low frequencies from other instruments will allow your bass/kick to cut through the mix.
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Yup...people just don't understand how much BASS is on those snare and other percussion samples that they use.

Pull up a snare and then pull up a spectrum analyzer on your main output bus and play that snare, and just see how heavy the <250k frequencies are.

Then throw a high hat on and see how much bass is on that sample.


In my mixes, everything that is NOT a kick or a bassline, I bus to one channel, and roll everything off under 250k. That makes sure NOTHING gets in the way of the bottom end of my track.

Then, I throw an L3 on my final mix.
 
my personal method to make the kicks stand out is the beat building process. usually the kicks/snare percussion is worked around the instrumentation. . . but to get the kicks bangin. . . u need to apply the frame of mind to create the instrumentation around the kicks.

secondly work on your arrangments and panning.
picture your beat as an empy square room, and imagine your kicks/instruments as the furniture.

now imagine your setting up your new empty room. . . u cant just stack your tv on top of your table and put a desk ontop of that. the room would be clutered (muddy). everything has its place.

so as u arrange your room, u arrange the beat the same way. you place the tv in one corner, the table in the centre and the desk in the other corner.

the whole point is every sound needs its room. . . u cant clutter it. like i said, picture ur beat as a room, and just arrange everything so it fits perfectly.
also as you would use your eyes to arrange your room. . . you have to use your EARS to arrange your sounds. . . dont rely too much on the plugins and charts.

once your arrangements are right, you can then work on the eq's and compressions if necessary.

lol i hope i didnt confuse yall


p.s. if you really need a frequency and e.q chart holla at me.
 
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SMH@all this. Did I not post stuff straight out of Reason and off an MPC thru an M-Box to a Waves L3 that could arguably sound just as good?

You guys overestimate gear. 2001(made in '99) took full advantage of digital recording. That's why it sounded good amongst the competition at the time. I wish I still had my CD insert so I could scan it.

The only thing you need for a good mix is a good ear and a good monitoring chain. And get the idea that everything's ran thru an SSL board out your brain. Dre's situation...maybe, but think of all the professional tracks ever made and really think....you think every one of those's good quality was due to good converters, pres, or consoles? I'm sure about 90% of the good quality hip hop you hear were produced on crap setups even if they were recorded in big studios.

Not directed @ Troup and Real 8s inputs, you posted while I was posting.
 
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Damn i didnt know people were still hating on fruity loops?? Thats funny...they havent realized how dumb they make themselves look when they diss it? lol...well at least that'll give you a clue as to who dont know what the **** they are talkin bout and not to get advice from....
 
orjanbeats said:
LOL

so the mpc's he used were analog, and so were the cd's that were pressed up?
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would be really logical to use the spdif out (dunno if the mpc300 has one) connect it to a rosetta then to an ssl in? haha that's ****ing retarded

and yeah they burn the cd's from the computer in the studio?? hahaha


cd pressing is after the mastering stage i didn't say anything about not using converters in the mastering stage
 
E-ONE said:
would be really logical to use the spdif out (dunno if the mpc300 has one) connect it to a rosetta then to an ssl in? haha that's ****ing retarded

and yeah they burn the cd's from the computer in the studio?? hahaha


cd pressing is after the mastering stage i didn't say anything about not using converters in the mastering stage
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and your point is...?
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
You can't be serious...Let's do this.

Made completely in Reason, exported as a wav, converted to MP3, no outsourcing for 1 plug in effect. Same MPC snare too. As unbeleiveable as it may sound...this is called mixing. Equipment don't mean sh*t. I'm pretty sure Dre's not relying on an L3 to make his sound for him either.
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i know im super late on this but this mix is clean as hell deranged.
love those toms
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
SMH@all this. Did I not post stuff straight out of Reason and off an MPC thru an M-Box to a Waves L3 that could arguably sound just as good?

You guys overestimate gear. 2001(made in '99) took full advantage of digital recording. That's why it sounded good amongst the competition at the time. I wish I still had my CD insert so I could scan it.

The only thing you need for a good mix is a good ear and a good monitoring chain. And get the idea that everything's ran thru an SSL board out your brain. Dre's situation...maybe, but think of all the professional tracks ever made and really think....you think every one of those's good quality was due to good converters, pres, or consoles? I'm sure about 90% of the good quality hip hop you hear were produced on crap setups even if they were recorded in big studios.

Not directed @ Troup and Real 8s inputs, you posted while I was posting.
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man... why don't you stop playin already and type up a quick e-book: "How to Get Great Mixes in Reason" or even better "How to Get Great Mixes Using Only Software".

Sell it for $5 a pop... i gaurantee you you'd make some decent money.
 
World Wide said:
man... why don't you stop playin already and type up a quick e-book: "How to Get Great Mixes in Reason" or even better "How to Get Great Mixes Using Only Software".

Sell it for $5 a pop... i gaurantee you you'd make some decent money.
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Probably because there's no set formula, like he said you have to have a good ear.

Not saying my mixes are great, but they're done in reason, and they've gotten exponentially better over the years/months I've spent learning to make them better.

I really think mixing is too situationally variant to be as formulaic as people wish it was.

Peace,

-E.T.
 
E.T. Science said:
Probably because there's no set formula, like he said you have to have a good ear.

Not saying my mixes are great, but they're done in reason, and they've gotten exponentially better over the years/months I've spent learning to make them better.

I really think mixing is too situationally variant to be as formulaic as people wish it was.

Peace,

-E.T.
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Exactly. Each song takes a different approach. You can setup good templates as starting points, but everything ends up needing it's own touch.
 
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