Urei vs. Bozak vs. Rane

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As a Rane owner, I will be happy to square off with you...

A lot of the wavemusic heads know an incredible amount, but they are also VERY biased. What they always neglect to mention is that the 2016 sounds cleaner than the Bozak or Urei. I did not say better. I lust after the bozak sound too. However, for what I do with my mixer, I find it the best to use for the following reasons:

1. I know that the sound coming out is about as close to possible as the source.
2. I have channel EQs, which while not necessary, are very fun.
3. I know that Rane will break their backs to take care of me if it goes down. I know that Bozaks and Ureis are field-replacable, and I envy that, but this is the next best thing, and free...
4. I KNOW that quality replacement parts are and will be available for a long time coming.

Really, the only things that I do not like are the fact that I have gain controls instead of balances, and not much control over the effects loop (but I do not use effects, so no reason to whine). People can speak badly about the Rane all day, but when used correctly (which I must question if some of those people are doing), the sound, output, and reliability are all great. Also, the I/O options on the Rane spank either other, especially when you consider the fact that you can matrix with channel EQs. All three are killer mixers, and I would be happy with any of them, but I do not think the Rane deserves all of the flak it gets. Does it sound like a Bozak? No. But does it sound REALLY clean (and good in my opinion)? Yes.


EDIT: I say as many of us as possible get together one day and just have an audio deathmatch. Mixers, TTs, carts, speakers, amps, vinyl/CDs, effects, and the like.
 
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Peasant Nikon said:
As a Rane owner, I will be happy to square off with you...
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No need. I just said I am glad to own a Urei. I never said the Rane was bad. In my opinion, to each his own. With that said I think the Urei sound is the best I've heard.
 
Not trying to be a jerk, just taking an opportunity to talk with another rare rotary owner.... Have you ever heard a Bozak in good condition. It is like heaven on DJ earth. In my opinion, it blows away pretty much anything else, Rane, Urei, etc. They just got that mixer right...
-Peasant Nikon
 
I only know of two other people in my city with rotary mixers. One has an MP 2016 and the other has an MP 2016 and a Urei 1620. I hear Dj Deeps mixer is good also. I want to hear a A&H Z6.
 
those guys crack me up. too intense, way too intense, but they certainly have picked something great to be passionate about.

ts
 
...a crucial question that keeps bothering me is whether or not you'd actually hear any of the sonic differences the guys on wavemusic are ranting about if you're just using the Rane at home in your personal studio. i monitor my mixes at home through a JBL PA stack driven by QSC and Samson amps - a great setup to rock a party with but completely inaccurate when compared with a pair of good studio monitored.

i'm starting to want a 19" rotary, becuase of the audio quality as well as the fact that I'm starting wonder if EQ's on every channel are as neccessary as I've always thought. but why bother going into massive debt for a Urei if i'm not going to hear that difference at home? it's not like i'm going to buy such an expensive mixer and then drag it out to clubs and raves....

just a thought

-s
 
..//..whether or not you'd actually hear any of the sonic differences the guys on wavemusic are ranting about if you're just using the Rane at home..//..
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Well, both Scott Fitlin and Craig (Shorty) have said themselves that you'd most likely NOT hear any difference whatsoever at home - it's when you A/B the units on a large system that the differences show really well. So for strict home/studio use - don't worry, the MP2016 will outshine yer Pioneers and Vestaxes anyway.
 
Get the Rane

Catnap,

Get the Rane. A few reasons.

1. You can actually run out and buy one. No nonsense trying to buy some (possibly) restored 30 year old unit from eBay with no warranty or recourse if you get ripped off.

2. Rane's warranty is considered pretty damn good.

3. It's not that expensive compared to other high end mixers. Consider skipping the EQ extension for the short term if you can't afford both immediately.

4. No matter what those lunatics on Wavemusic say, a lot of major clubs use the Rane, including one of the busiest and largest clubs in the United States (Club Space in Miami), so even if you play out it's not like you'll be totally out of your element.

5. I love mine, for no particular reason.
 
i thought that j. mark andrus' post was very interesting on how he produced the Naked Music 3 CD with cheap cables, etc.

these guys are WAY too into their sound systems. i thought i was an audio nut, but damn. i went to twilo once and i do have to say that the system there was pretty much tops, but geez, these dudes are for real.

and shorty needs to learn how to use a period.
 
I would say, 'try them out', but as most of you know, it is hard to get these three in a room. I think of the three main contenders are the Bozak, Urei, and Rane. The Xone is simply too much money (can you believe we at FP are saying something is too much $???), and none of the other mixers seem to be contenders yet. The Urei will cost you more than either of the others. I am more of a fan of the Rane and the Bozak than the Urei, but all three are amazing boxes. You really can't go wrong.
-Peasant Nikon
 
where did the V6 land in this discussion?

is it not even regarded by these high end guys?
 
david lee said:
where did the V6 land in this discussion?

is it not even regarded by these high end guys?
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they had a chance to listen to it once, but it was hooked up to some outboard Vestax EQs, thus invalidating any review, in their opinion.
 
david lee said:
these guys are WAY too into their sound systems. i thought i was an audio nut, but damn. i went to twilo once and i do have to say that the system there was pretty much tops, but geez, these dudes are for real.
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Well you have to keep in mind, sound is what these guys do for a living. I've heard the Twilo system, not at twilo though, at Club Shelter. It was the best sound I'VE heard. It is a PHAZON system.
 
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Well you have to keep in mind, sound is what these guys do for a living. I've heard the Twilo system, not at twilo though, at Club Shelter. It was the best sound I'VE heard. It is a PHAZON system.
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...a digital system, which incidentally these guys don't rate at all.

I have massive respect for their knowledge, it is, as you say, what they do for a living, but I find these guys aren't really listening to what modern DJ's want. All this stuff about 'the less stuff in the signal path the better the sound' is all well and good, but how many DJ's do you lot know that don't use channel EQ's/effects/filters?..
 
I don't use EQ, FX or filters. If I could afford it, I'd have belt-driven Linn turntables with Koetsu cartridges as well, hooked up to Class A amps and Klipschorn speakers.
 
a little OT:
I live in Germany and the sound systems here are all more or less crappy; I went into 2 clubs saturday night; one had Pio CMX/DJM 3000 and some kind of RCF-speakers, the other one had a behringer DX 1000 mixer and JBL eons;

needless to say, where not only myself had more fun - and as far as I know nobody considers the DJM 3000 as first choice when it comes to sound

and one more thing these wave people are right: nothing is more boring than these "turning out the bass while mixing" - if you do this all the time "why is it called beat-mixing then?"
 
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...a digital system, which incidentally these guys don't rate at all.

I have massive respect for their knowledge, it is, as you say, what they do for a living, but I find these guys aren't really listening to what modern DJ's want. All this stuff about 'the less stuff in the signal path the better the sound' is all well and good, but how many DJ's do you lot know that don't use channel EQ's/effects/filters?..
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OK, time to expain the Wave guys. Wave Music is owned by Franois Kevorkian. FK was one of the three DJ's at the famous BODY & SOUL parties in NYC. These guys are the original DJ's as well as the modern DJ's. Before there were EQ's, effects, filters, these guys would make there effects with two copies of records. Then you have to keep in mind they live in NYC. NYC along with Chicago is were dance music came from. You have Larry Lavan at Paradise Garage. You had Litttle Louie Vega in the later years of 54 and then at Sound Factory. They have and still use Urei's, Bozaks, Ranes, and more recently A&H V6's. They know that sound is more important then being able to turn a bass nob or press a botton and get a flang. But then maybe its just an NYC thing, cause every real club has a rotary mixer in it. I use a Urei. I also have a DJM-3000. and that thing is just a piece of ****.
 
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Francois K, however, is really into effects right now, and he uses Allen & Heath Xone62 and 464 mixers. He's also got a laptop and a couple of CDJs hooked up - but he does it really well! He knows how to use all that stuff.
 
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