Underground rappers are weak to me.

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MrWonderful said:
OP is a loser with no taste in hip hop.

Check out K-Rino he pisses all over your favorite rapper, you won't be able to handle his lyrics and shun them away.

But it's really you who is wrong.
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This thread ain't bout old school rappers though, so I don't know how you thought this post was relevant.

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IPM Music said:
Well, I can tell you're not into Hopsin. And that's cool. You're into 2 Chainz? That's cool too. But don't tell me "everyone" wants to hear 2 Chainz, or that I want to hear 2 Chainz, coz I don't. Depending on your tastes, mainstream music can either get it right or wrong. True, those records are tailored to attract as many people as possible. BUT, that doesn't automatically validate it as "better" than anything else. That's left up to us, the listeners.

Even sales #'s are skewed... Put $50,000 of promotion behind Hopsin's next album, and who knows what could happen for him... If he has the right look, or a catchy hook in a could-be hit single, that's all he'd need (possibly).
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Well to me, Hopsin COULD very well be a big rapper, but he needs to change his attitude.

He's got the skill and he definitely CAN be a good producer when he wants. He's got some dope beats here and there.

The problem is that his desire to come across as so rebellious and so 'enlightened' is ultimately what ****s him over in the end. I ****s with Raw because he wasn't on that overly preachy/arrogant shit on that album. But after that, he became intolerable to listen to.

His new music is just filled with so much bitterness. I mean, yeah, Raw was the same way, but he didn't have this overinflated sense of importance to go along with it. He knew he was just another nigga with the ability to rap. Now he thinks he's rap game Jesus Christ and I just can't take him seriously when amongst his first targets are teenage girls that ****ed 'bad guys' instead of him and teenage guys that just party and drink all the time. And it's not even like he's addressing them in some insightful way, he's literally yelling at them and berating them on what ****ups they are.
 
This shows the level of respect that you have for underground artist!!! But
Guess What!!!! I Understand!!! I love underground artist!!! Sorry!!!!

Not everyone thinks like you!!!
 
And let me add I also can't stand when an artist have their "moment in the sun" and wait until they're falling off to all of sudden start talking about the ills of the "evil" music industry and how the game is foul, etc...you wasn't saying none of that when you had your Top 10 hit being played around the world and you was balling but now that those checks slowed up and your overhead is eating you alive and the IRS is on the other line....
 
Hopsin's flow sounds like a watered down Eminem impression to me. I realize that this post adds nothing to the overall conversation... Just an observation.
 
I honestly don't like Hopsin for various reasons but your generalization about indy rappers is terrible.

First off Tech9 breaks all your rules. And then you say "yeah but he has a following"

Yeah well you have to start somewhere dude. If you think about it tech9 has been doing it over a decade and early on he was more brash then he is now. So do you retroactively give Tech a pass?

Honestly labels will make you make sugary bullshit to pass off as music

Most artists in the underground don't give a **** about being a saviour. There off in their world and not giving a regard for the current state of the industry.

and honestly you DONT have to play in the game to run the game.

Kendrick, your example, WAS signed to Aftermath directly previously for a couple years. They never explained why he left. BUT he never released ANY music. MAYBE he wasn't satisfied with what they were feeding him. They LET him go

He goes and sells 2 albums VERY well with TDE and toured VERY well. Because he was doing it REALLY well and was WELL received universally. They LET him make the album he wanted to make.

Honestly I DOUBT the label saw it going any where near gold. They let "The Recipe" float out there forever with no push and no video. Then they let swimming pool float out there forever too. They finally started pushing his album singles after universal acclaim and surprising first week numbers and so finally the drake single and Kill My vibe FINALLY got love.

So Kendrick had to play OUTSIDE the game to finally convince the label to just do him. Otherwise he would have ended up like Big KRIT, B.O.B., or J.Cole's first album.
 
I'll be honest a lot of these "underground rappers" are just as terrible on the mic as the "mainstream" rappers they
try to criticize and ridicule.
It's the equivalent to producer who can say this, that and third about Kanye, Swizz Beats, Dre etc.
but when it comes down to it they have yet to and most likely won't have significant contributions to
a local rappers album let a major label placement.

With that said there are some genuine talents in the underground, guys that stand head and
shoulders above the rest, while most of them are just "microphone hero's" if you will.
They're the equivalents of the guy who stays in Guitar Center playing on the amps
for free.

With that said "Underground" includes a wide variety of rappers.
Whether that means you're a backpack rapper or a trap rapper
or what have you.
 
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Legal Dollaz said:
And let me add I also can't stand when an artist have their "moment in the sun" and wait until they're falling off to all of sudden start talking about the ills of the "evil" music industry and how the game is foul, etc...you wasn't saying none of that when you had your Top 10 hit being played around the world and you was balling but now that those checks slowed up and your overhead is eating you alive and the IRS is on the other line....
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I see what you did there lol. Completely agreed.

When it comes down to it, there are pretentious and elitist artists on both sides of the fence. I ABSOLUTELY HATE when 'underground' artists use their 'authenticity' as an excuse for being unoriginal and talentless. Same goes for 'mainstream' artists. Seems like cats don't get that deep music doesn't have to be joyless and easygoing music doesn't have to be thoughtless. The real problem isn't confined to a sub-genre or a label that we put on artists, the problem is lazy, uncreative, untalented artists getting any sort of positive spotlight. The problem is that we create extremely niche categories for these artists and then use them as excuses for why these artists are wack. That is, rather than judging artists by their creativity and their ability to create thought provoking, enjoyable material....
 
Hmmh, I should try to sell a beat tape for $100 a piece. lol.
 
ThaRealKapone said:
I see what you did there lol. Completely agreed.

When it comes down to it, there are pretentious and elitist artists on both sides of the fence. I ABSOLUTELY HATE when 'underground' artists use their 'authenticity' as an excuse for being unoriginal and talentless. Same goes for 'mainstream' artists. Seems like cats don't get that deep music doesn't have to be joyless and easygoing music doesn't have to be thoughtless. The real problem isn't confined to a sub-genre or a label that we put on artists, the problem is lazy, uncreative, untalented artists getting any sort of positive spotlight. The problem is that we create extremely niche categories for these artists and then use them as excuses for why these artists are wack. That is, rather than judging artists by their creativity and their ability to create thought provoking, enjoyable material....
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Thats why Wu-Tang will always be the best, their music was actually fun,the lyrics were amazing and they hide some real shit in their rhymes(my clan increase like black unemployment).
Why cant anyone even TRY to do that? Make your money guns molly & hoes songs, but try to write better maybe? and maybe like i dont know, get your own flow, maybe?

On the other side the Nas wannabes who wanna rap about nothing but politics, Star Wars, or just rhyme big words with big words. This would be okay if you had your own flow & style & your producer had his own sound. or would even imitate the less used styles of the 90s, but no, it HAS to sound like DJ Premier. If not, its mainstream, or something-else-thats-not-real-hip-hop. And you cannot make a song that has any hype, its not real hip hop.
 
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