TonyG shyt on sites like PMP

[kahliljn]

yeah...i'm down man...let me know the conditions, it's whateva, a flip it sample or a perticular acapella or whateva...i gotta go to work i'll be back this afternoon....

Yeah we can do a remix, you can pick the song....Just pick something with a reasonable rapper....please no Jay-Z...lol..that ninja be all over the place

 

[MrJames851]

If a producer believes that the only route to success is to get major label placements then they can utilize some of the credible shopping companies such as Istandard, Dynamic Producer and Musicplacements which are based on the 'agent middle man' concept extended to the Internet.

I'm considering using one of those sites in addition to PMP, is there any one of those you think is best to use in the current climate?

 

[j.troup]

Rest of ur post is quality...and the **** placements thing was a paraphrase lol

Anyway, when u say PAID placements, u need to clarify for some ppl who don't fully understand. When ur dealing with an artist who is gonna get some airplay, then taking a hit on ur advance doesn't mean it's not a paid placement. Make sure your PUBLISHING is right because your advance is just a piece of your publishing given to you upfront.

Airplay means nothing when you signed away your publishing, for the $1000 advance...which is what's basically being required of rookie producers.

Diversification is key, but your money needs to come from somewhere. If "paid" placements are going out the window, like you say, then PMP loses it's value as well because what good would your R&C be to people who can't help you get money?

A site like PMP doesn't achieve it's value from the "promise of the paid placement". It achieves it's value from the MARKETPLACE concept. People pay to be apart of the marketplace, so they can sell beats to EVERYONE...not just majors.


Your R&C is more than "major placements". I have plenty of R&C with producers, artists, and business people, both major and minor, around the world...without major placements. It's about ADDING VALUE to your target market. If you're doing that, then your R&C will continue to increase, regardless of a major placement.

To me, publishing is very important so you need to get yourself in a position to be able to collect. Developing your own artist is pretty much a must. Having a side hustle of music made strictly for commercial purposes is a must. Reaching out and trying to get on major label records that will get you some nice publishing also doesn't hurt.

Developing your own artits with the hopes of a major label deal puts you right back in the same position. You work hard digging for gold, and then you put all your riches on a sinking ship.

That's beside countless other side hustle you can get into when involved in this industry and it's countless hustlers. Opportunities reveal themselves when you're out and about and networking with EVERYONE. Not just industry dudes. Talk to random ppl and at the right moment tell them what you do. They will tell you what they do or what their cousin's sister's uncle's friend does that's semi related. Exchange info, follow up, and see if u can get money together.

That's what the PMP is all about. Networking and exposure, to "get money together.


Honestly, it still sounds like you don't quite get it. You have tunnel vision focused squarely on the majors and the old way of doing business. Developing artists and putting out records simply doesn't work anymore.

 

[Noyzi]

i wonder how long it'll be before the majors stop making albums altogether...

 

[dwells]

Airplay means nothing when you signed away your publishing, for the $1000 advance...which is what's basically being required of rookie producers.

Is this what you meant to say? because, this is really wrong!!!!

1. now days you can get more from your performance royalties than your mechanical.

2. The $1000 advance is recoupable from royalties, usually mechanical. so you won't get any further monies until the advance is repaid. the money from BMI, SESAC, or ASCAP can be useful.

3. I've seen 'rookie' producers get alot more than a $1000 advance.

4. UNLESS IT'S A WORK FOR HIRE, YOU DON'T SIGN AWAY YOUR PUBLISHING. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU SIGNED A PUBLISHING DEAL, IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT IF YOU GOT A STACK FOR IT, YOU GOT HOSED. AND PUB DEALS ARE NEVER FOR EACH SONG, IT'S USUALLY A CATALOG THING.

 

[j.troup]

Is this what you meant to say? because, this is really wrong!!!!

1. now days you can get more from your performance royalties than your mechanical.

2. The $1000 advance is recoupable from royalties, usually mechanical. so you won't get any further monies until the advance is repaid. the money from BMI, SESAC, or ASCAP can be useful.

3. I've seen 'rookie' producers get alot more than a $1000 advance.

4. UNLESS IT'S A WORK FOR HIRE, YOU DON'T SIGN AWAY YOUR PUBLISHING. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU SIGNED A PUBLISHING DEAL, IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT IF YOU GOT A STACK FOR IT, YOU GOT HOSED. AND PUB DEALS ARE NEVER FOR EACH SONG, IT'S USUALLY A CATALOG THING.

I'm talking about #4.


If you sell your publishing, then you don't get any performance pub. Or mechanical. Or any other pub.

 

[dwells]

If you are doing a work for hire, then you don't get an advance. when you do a work for hire, the person is buying the song outright. it is heir song from then on. they can place the song and get credit for what ever. in the eyes of the law they made the song.

But you don't receive an advance, it's more like a fee. and work for hires are not normal for rookies. they are used when the 'rookie' is a pain and don't have their business in order.

 

[stokeI]

Airplay means nothing when you signed away your publishing, for the $1000 advance...which is what's basically being required of rookie producers.

this won't happen if you have a good manager,right?

 

[dwells]

this won't happen if you have a good manager,right?

It depends on what you want, and your LAWYER. Work for hire can be a good thing, but that depends on what you and your lawyer decide to do.

 

[j.troup]

this won't happen if you have a good manager,right?

Not true.


The only way it won't happen is if you don't sign it. All your lawyer and manager can do is negotiate. But they can't MAKE people put the song out if you don't agree to their terms.


"If you don't play ball, I'll find someone who will."



It's said all the time.

 

[j.troup]

If you are doing a work for hire, then you don't get an advance. when you do a work for hire, the person is buying the song outright. it is heir song from then on. they can place the song and get credit for what ever. in the eyes of the law they made the song.

But you don't receive an advance, it's more like a fee. and work for hires are not normal for rookies. they are used when the 'rookie' is a pain and don't have their business in order.

You're the one brought up work for hire, not me.


If you sign away your publishing for a check, radio play doesn't matter.



That was the point.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Developing your own artist is pretty much a must.

does that mean that it's best to "sign" the artist that you are "developing"?

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

Exchange info, follow up, and see if u can get money together.

but isn't it true that the more people that you work with, the more ways profit has to be divided, disagreements become more prevalent, & people don't hold up their end of the deal?

wouldn't it be wiser to just do most of the work yourself so that you have full ownership, receive full credit, and avoid people that might potentially slow down your progress?

 

[dwells]

You're the one brought up work for hire, not me.


If you sign away your publishing for a check, radio play doesn't matter.



That was the point.

I still don't understand what you meaj.

How would you sign away your publishing? except for a work for hire?
just cashing an ADVANCE check won't effect your publishing, actually if you got an advance check you are entitled to publishing.

 

[j.troup]

I still don't understand what you meaj.

How would you sign away your publishing? except for a work for hire?
just cashing an ADVANCE check won't effect your publishing, actually if you got an advance check you are entitled to publishing.

You're not entitled to anything that you sign away.

It goes like this....


Label - "We'll use your song as a single, but we want 100% of your publishing. If you don't agree, we'll give this $2500 check to a producer who will agree. So either take this check and get on the album, or don't. Your choice."

Rookie Producer - "Okay. Where do I sign?"


It's that simple.


Just because you get a check, doesn't mean you HAVE to get your publishing.

 

[FuGiTiVe_beatz]

For someone who's posts are full of too many I THINK's and no I KNOW's, you sure talk alot of sh!t.

You're not even a member of the site. When was the last time you even WENT to the site?? So how all of a sudden did you become such an expert at wha goes on behind the scenes at PMP, and what producer manages what account??



And don't you have some business you should be attending to? Why you so worried about what one dude said about another dude??


If you handling your business, you ain't got time to worry about what boils down to hoe-ass-nigga-ness.

I wish someone would smacc this nigga down off his suburban high horse. He's an old ass man with a receding hairline on the internet typing head to people who aren't even aggressive at him... WHAT A GUY!

Swagger like a dagger! "Tucc ur Boyfriend In" a classic! lmao....

Someone please visit this niggas website so he'll stfu... I mean, damn. Seems like until one of his dreams come true we're gonna have to read his bullsh*t lies about his bullsh*t placements. If he was so talented he'd have a deal and if he was so smart he'd start a label. Until he accomplishes something worth respecting he's just an old ass mark with a dream... in the suburbs... JMO... LMAO....!!!!!

 

[j.troup]

I wish someone would smacc this nigga down off his suburban high horse. He's an old ass man with a receding hairline on the internet typing head to people who aren't even aggressive at him... WHAT A GUY!

Swagger like a dagger! "Tucc ur Boyfriend In" a classic! lmao....

Someone please visit this niggas website so he'll stfu... I mean, damn. Seems like until one of his dreams come true we're gonna have to read his bullsh*t lies about his bullsh*t placements. If he was so talented he'd have a deal and if he was so smart he'd start a label. Until he accomplishes something worth respecting he's just an old ass mark with a dream... in the suburbs... JMO... LMAO....!!!!!

Man I almost forgot about your rainbow coalition ass!


Guess with ur return, there's no need to fill that "president of the j.troup fan club" position anymore.

Welcome back! Feel free to contribute your knowledge to the conversation.

Oh wait...you did.


Nevermind. Carry on.

 

[dwells]

You're not entitled to anything that you sign away.

It goes like this....


Label - "We'll use your song as a single, but we want 100% of your publishing. If you don't agree, we'll give this $2500 check to a producer who will agree. So either take this check and get on the album, or don't. Your choice."

Rookie Producer - "Okay. Where do I sign?"


It's that simple.


Just because you get a check, doesn't mean you HAVE to get your publishing.

dude this is a work for hire.....there is no advance. that's all you get. sounds like you were hosed. You need to learn more about publishing and what an advance is.


For everyone else, this is a perfect example why you need to do homework on the people you are dealing with and why you need to have a real entertainment lawyer. and why you need to be humble and have your business in order before you you enter the environment. also keep in mind it is a leverage game, if you don't have any, you don't have any.

 

[Voss25]

does that mean that it's best to "sign" the artist that you are "developing"?

Simple answer would be yes. There are a lot of factors in deciding exactly what you're making them sign however. A lot depends on how much you can do for them in house and how much out sourcing you need to do.

but isn't it true that the more people that you work with, the more ways profit has to be divided, disagreements become more prevalent, & people don't hold up their end of the deal?

wouldn't it be wiser to just do most of the work yourself so that you have full ownership, receive full credit, and avoid people that might potentially slow down your progress?

Yes, but 50% or 30% of something is better than 100% of nothing. It would be wiser to keep more publishing, but not necessarily to do all the work yourself. When you become in demand, you'll have more opportunity than you can handle anyway. Split the pie, let everyone eat, and overall, you will eat more.

Besides, creating a team will keep you sharp. You can bounce ideas off eachother and light a fire under each other's asses instead of getting beat block and becoming lazy. I think music made by ppl jamming usually comes out hotter than **** made by 1 person.

There's a lot of other reasons why reaching out and working with your supposed "competition" is actually a good thing, but I don't feel like typing anymore. Just know that being a greedy muthafugga isn't good for your longevity.

 

[Dot_Robinson]

You're not entitled to anything that you sign away.

It goes like this....


Label - "We'll use your song as a single, but we want 100% of your publishing. If you don't agree, we'll give this $2500 check to a producer who will agree. So either take this check and get on the album, or don't. Your choice."

Rookie Producer - "Okay. Where do I sign?"


It's that simple.


Just because you get a check, doesn't mean you HAVE to get your publishing.

I recently experienced a situation similar to this. Someone offered my team and I a contract that was, dare I say, disrespectful. Needless to say we politely ****ted on that contract...and the person who offered it for that matter. You have to stay on your P's and Q's.