Submit Your Tracks and Get a Video Response from Pro Producers!

[biggrome]

On another note, I can't get this damn picture to be larger. It's for biggrome (OMP):
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Thanks, lol. I don't wanna e-fight. I just wanted to state my usual skeptical opinion when it comes to things that involve me parting with my money.

A fool and his money.... you know the rest.

Funny pic though.... lolololol! (not for the reason you think though)

If you get put on, holla at me. I got hot lava blazin' fiya son.

Hope the site gives the people the value for their money.

No hate / just debate... do the damn thang BlazeTraks n 'nem....

 

[Ron H. Bt Co_founder]

I just find it funny how industry producers are resorting to alternative revenue streams that are designed to milk the dreams of the up and comers. Don't they understand the majority of us are not focused on "Getting On" anymore? The traditional music industry is no longer profitable for people like us. We represent a new way of thinking. A generation of entrepreneurs whose innovations will save the music industry.

I also find it funny how people with one, two, three or four posts TOTAL come out of nowhere to defend this website. Or should I say promote? You can't kid a kidder. Anyone who understands the value of their work and how scarce music money is, can obviously see the desperation in this "Dark-Child-Is-Going-To-Put-Me-On" "Sell-You-A-Dream" service.

This is no more than a scheme to make money off ambitious and uneducated producers.

This is no more than another BeatPal.com style e-promo tour...and we all know how that ended.

Whats up Dot. This is just an option, a backdoor so to speak to get to the source. Like someone said a few pages back. Do u honestly think Darkchild needs to milk $150 at a time from a few people every week. He is super paid! But he does have a label, a production co., a pub co., so he needs talent so his businesses can grow.

I wish you luck in whatever it is you are doing to make your career flourish, if u want to try another approach, try blazetrak. If you are not happy, you get a full refund. So how do you lose?

Thank you

 

[biggrome]

How many songs do they review for the $150 Ron?

There are long posts in this thread... I didn't read them all. Just a few.

I think most people think the price is steep, that's the first thing that jumps out. People were submitting to Bishop Lamont for $99 though.

If people have the money and the dream is strong enough, I guess they'll do it. I can't speak for what the next man will do.

How many songs reviewed for the $150?

 

[Ron H. Bt Co_founder]

So let me ask you guys a question, who WOULD you pay for?

Who is worth it to you?

50 cent
Jay-Z
Rick Rubin
Beyonce
Clive Davis
Bono
Diddy
Wayne etc.

You can actually request these people on our site, and if we get enough requests we will try our best to secure them

 

[j.troup]

And Troupe, if you are happy with the direction your career is going, and you are getting paid, and doing what you love to do, then you probably don't need to use the site to find other opportunites. We might even ask you to be pro on our site so you could advise others on how you are being successful and offer some opportunity if you have any.

Yes, very satisfied with the business I'm building.


And actually I am opening up opportunities within my publishing arm in 2010. I'm solidifying details with additional clients as we speak.





Here's the thing though...Why not a subscription model??


$150 for ONE track. Just ONE. So in essence, that ONE track has to represent your ENTIRE talent range, your ENTIRE catalog, your ENTIRE EVERYTHING.



So why not go with a subscription model? Seems to be working for other sites who have similar structures, goals.

 

[j.troup]

So let me ask you guys a question, who WOULD you pay for?

Who is worth it to you?

50 cent
Jay-Z
Rick Rubin
Beyonce
Clive Davis
Bono
Diddy
Wayne etc.

You can actually request these people on our site, and if we get enough requests we will try our best to secure them

I think what has people skeptical, is that they are basically buying a lottery ticket...


BUY A CHANCE THAT DARKCHILD MAY LIKE YOUR TRACK, FOR $150!!!!



That's almost what it comes across as...for $150, you can buy 10 minutes of <insert music star here>, for the possibility that they'll put you on, and it lead to fame and fortune.


For $1, you can buy a Mega Millions ticket, for a chance to win $250 Million.



See where I'm coming from?



When it comes to this music thing, some people are VERY naive, and will whore out their unborn children to get a whiff of stardom...other people are VERY suspicious of anything, because they have been burned before.


The former are generally the dreamers...the people that wanna get "put on". The latter are usually the serious musicians, who put time, effort and money into their chosen career paths.

 

[mobeatz]

This site may be interesting for performing artists, singers, groups, rappers.

But I don't see why a producer/songwriter would pony up just to get an opinion.

We have: FP(FREE) Youtube(FREE) and many more sites.

PMPworldwide, is not free but it looks like they cast a wider net, meaning more A&R's, labels.

Plus doesn't it make more sense to pitch to A&R's rather than producers?

Any how good luck with it.

 

[biggrome]

other people are VERY suspicious of anything, because they have been burned before.

Raises hand, happened to me...

Probably won't happen again. (Envisions MJ's Say, Say, Say vid)

 

[dwells]

Ron, what's up. I know what you are trying to do. I thank you for it. but the way you are doing it is back failing. people are broke. I don't know Rich personally, but his former manager and I are cool. his name is Brooke, I think. I'm terrible with names. and I lost dudes number. so I can't check. but back to the point.

People are going to thing that you are trying to scam them until they know otherwise. you need to get success stories. people who won form the site. I'm responsible for a few wins. I helped create Writing Sessions, Live Radio, The Premier A&R Showcase, The FIRM, and a few other projects. Right now, we have 3 radio singles that we (The FIRM) are responsible for in one way or another. (Luda's "How Low", Kells "Superman High", and Kells "Echo") not to mention several several placements (but placements don't really matter, singles do). Hell we are responsible for 4 placement on Kells album alone, and all from new producers, some this is their first placement. There was a reason why I was thanked on Kells albulm (Shameless plug, check the liner notes). My main focus is too find new muisic and get it out. so I know what you are trying to do. but you need several success stories for people to put up cash. and regular placements may not do it, not for $150. you need radio singles, several of them, from unkown producers to do it. but in the mean time if you cut the price, you might do fine.

I know you are Rich's brother, that will open doors, but it's up to you to keep them open. I know too many brothers of so and so's, that are failing. But I also know several brothers who are doing quite well because they used that open door to open other doors.

I also know charging a buck fiftey will filter out alot of bullshyt music. it will. but sometimes it will filter out some really good music at the same time. especially right now when everybody is starving, not hungry.

anyway I wish the best of luck to you and your projects

 

[Ron H. Bt Co_founder]

How many songs do they review for the $150 Ron?

There are long posts in this thread... I didn't read them all. Just a few.

I think most people think the price is steep, that's the first thing that jumps out. People were submitting to Bishop Lamont for $99 though.

If people have the money and the dream is strong enough, I guess they'll do it. I can't speak for what the next man will do.

How many songs reviewed for the $150?

Bigrome, whats up homie? Let me point out that everyones price is not $150.....we have prices that range from $20 up to several thousands to spend the day with someone. For example Jimi Kendrix is offering an in person studio session at Quad in NYC. That is a whole day, 3 songs, airfare included.
is there not value in that? How about Ryan West (nominated for 5 Grammys) he is offering a 3 hour 1-1 engineering training for $350. Do you know how much he charges a major for 3 hours to mix a Rhianna record???

If you dont see value in that, then u probably never will.


It all depends. most of our clients are very specific in what they ask for, for example, "send me 3 min mashup of some of your tracks, or send me a song or track for a specific artist. You can only submit one piece of media, but last time i checked...a lot of stuff can fit into 1 file (thats a tip for u).

The thing you guys have to understand is the from a company perspective we NEED you to get on, or get a deal, or get work. If none of you make it, then we fail and the company fails. We will try everything we can to get you in the game.

I am on your side in trying to get you to the source, you just have to hold up your end of the bargain and come correct with hot stuff....Dont bring any bubblegum BS....unless of course you are submitting to Miley Cyrus or someone who is looking for that (We will get Miley btw...lol)

 

[j.troup]

**** WARNING - OPINIONS AHEAD *****



I'm watching the Rich Harrison video where he's reviewing the cat ZAY T - TEAR IT UP.


It doesn't sound like a business opportunity is about to brew. It sounded like Rich was giving his honest opinion, but he was trying to stretch it out to make that 5 minutes, so that the user wouldn't feel like he was cheated.

Also, then he directed him to submit more on his MYSPACE page.


Really?


To me, if he was serious about hearing more of his music, he would have said "hey, I'll be in touch with you about how you can submit music directly to me, because I'm really feeling what you're doing"...

This seemed to be more of a "the song was cool, but let me throw him a lil bone so that he spreads the good word about my brother's site to all his homies..."


I'm gonna go and watch some of the other video's too.

 

[Ron H. Bt Co_founder]

Yes, very satisfied with the business I'm building.


And actually I am opening up opportunities within my publishing arm in 2010. I'm solidifying details with additional clients as we speak.





Here's the thing though...Why not a subscription model??


$150 for ONE track. Just ONE. So in essence, that ONE track has to represent your ENTIRE talent range, your ENTIRE catalog, your ENTIRE EVERYTHING.



So why not go with a subscription model? Seems to be working for other sites who have similar structures, goals.

We are actually researching the subscription model. The only thing with that is that we are dealing with highly successful and busy people with opportunities that come and go, so we are leary of charging a monthly or yearly fee when there me be downtime for a pro that u may be interested in. For example, Beyonce is on tour right now, so she not gonna be sitting in front of a pc looking for new producers....maybe 4 months from now she may have some downtime. You just lost out on 4 months of a prorated portion because the pro u wanted to submit to was on tour.

but we are looking into to answer your question.

 

[Ron H. Bt Co_founder]

**** WARNING - OPINIONS AHEAD *****



I'm watching the Rich Harrison video where he's reviewing the cat ZAY T - TEAR IT UP.


It doesn't sound like a business opportunity is about to brew. It sounded like Rich was giving his honest opinion, but he was trying to stretch it out to make that 5 minutes, so that the user wouldn't feel like he was cheated.

Also, then he directed him to submit more on his MYSPACE page.


Really?


To me, if he was serious about hearing more of his music, he would have said "hey, I'll be in touch with you about how you can submit music directly to me, because I'm really feeling what you're doing"...

This seemed to be more of a "the song was cool, but let me throw him a lil bone so that he spreads the good word about my brother's site to all his homies..."


I'm gonna go and watch some of the other video's too.

Actually, Rich told Zay T to hit him on myspace, not submit more. Zay T sent Rich a msg on Myspace, and Rich responded to and gave him his personal email address and to submit some tracks for Richgirl and Young Steff specifically via email (Not again on Blazetrak). He wasnt going to give out his info on the video cuz then everyone would see it. But he did say i will get in touch with you, which he did.

You should message Zay T on myspace and ask him about his experience and was it worth it to him, and what opportunity he was given and is now working on.

 

[joey tunez]

im seeing both sides on this, but how is this any different from pmp?
i remember there was a point where everyone was apprehensive about that site as well. there are producers who have gotten stuff off of it here and there (a good placement or two) but they use the same "look at the big name artist" technics as blazetracks does from the looks of it (see the track dumps, you never see the indy artist your REALLY going to be selling beats to on their). seems like basic marketing rather than any kind of trick.
it is kinda pointless to submit a track and $150 to hear a guy tell you whats wrong or right with your beat when jtroup does the same thing on industrysound for free.

 

[j.troup]

Actually, Rich told Zay T to hit him on myspace, not submit more. Zay T sent Rich a msg on Myspace, and Rich responded to and gave him his personal email address and to submit some tracks for Richgirl and Young Steff specifically via email (Not again on Blazetrak). He wasnt going to give out his info on the video cuz then everyone would see it. But he did say i will get in touch with you, which he did.

You should message Zay T on myspace and ask him about his experience and was it worth it to him, and what opportunity he was given and is now working on.

Okay...this is good. Success stories. That's the one thing that separates scams from legit business opportunities...Actually Success Stories (and not of the Amway type).



for being willing to address the skepticism in a professional, non-defensive manner.

Anytime you're asking someone to give up money (in amounts that are significant to them), you're come up against exactly what you're getting.


You're handling it well, and representing your company well.

 

[GST]

I was just about to say that..all this skepticism and shyt esp after big rome rolls on you and you still kept it professional...not one 'ebonically' infested post..didn't take anything personal and tell anybody to go fuk themselves..didn't once call anybody 'hater'..I still can't see it but if it's legit as you say and ppl prosper from this then I can't knock it

 

[Ron H. Bt Co_founder]

Okay...this is good. Success stories. That's the one thing that separates scams from legit business opportunities...Actually Success Stories (and not of the Amway type).



for being willing to address the skepticism in a professional, non-defensive manner.

Anytime you're asking someone to give up money (in amounts that are significant to them), you're come up against exactly what you're getting.


You're handling it well, and representing your company well.

No doubt, we expected some backlash, and we know we are treading in dangerous water, especially in this music business where everything seems shady. Its all about taking the time to educate, answer questions, alleviate concerns. We all want to be successful, we just created another way if what you are currently doing isnt working for you.

Also, we actually are not even a music site. We are an opportunity site! We are working on getting film producers, script writers, athletes, actors, Entrepreneurs, chefs, fashion designers, modeling agencies, and on and on. Imagine if you have business plan...would pay Donald Trump a couple hundred bucks for chance to have him evaluate it for you? I know we wish we could have done that when were trying to get this company off the ground. We needed a blazetrak to shop the blazetrak idea. HAHAHA

 

[biggrome]

I agree that Ron H kept his head.

Dwells had a good post.

Anyway, good stuff for being cool about everything. I'm pretty sure the site will gain it's rep based on it's service.

 

[dwells]

none taken...and a year from now u will probably still be doing mixtapes and posting on this site trying to figure out how to get heard by someone and get a deal.

no disrespect.

This is sooo funny! cause it's true, no disrespect to this quotes target. But people seriously think that doing mixtapes and myspace is the way to promote and get exposure. LMFAO. no they are not it is way too oversaturated, and takes too much damn time.

TAXI is a damn scam. seriously. I know many A&Rs. (hell if you are throwing an event and are looking for real A&Rs to paticipate. hit me up with the info. but you need a budget. you got to pay travel, food, per diem, and them to do it, and it can't be some bull**** event. and yes I expect middle man tax) But I never heard any music from taxi, nor anything about it from anybody from taxi. Taxi is a big scam.

Rockwilder? I never really heard of dude until he did his site. true I know what he did before, but dude's buzz wasn't/isn't that big. that site is good for him.

Most of the people the people in the industry who actually have the power to do something for you, you will not normally hear about them. artists usually don't have any pull, unless they are an asset, own of the labels marquees. Hell I bet only 1 or 2 people hear ever heard of Edgar Bronfman, if he was going to be at an event, you won't even consider it, who is he? but if say Yung Joc is there then you care. Me I don't give a fvck about Joc, but for Edgar (although I think he is the main reason why the industry is fvcked up) I would consider chopping off my small toe just to spend a day with the dude, to talk to him and see him in action, to talk to the peole he talks to.

Just because you haven't heard of someone, doesn't mean they aren't a force. and worth it.

 

[iambase]

For those who are wondering,

marquee artists : in a label it's the main artist... the one who got most of the advertising budget...

Jarule in the days of Murder Inc
50cent for gunit
Busta in the days of flipmode

etc etc...

most of the marketing budget revolves around those...

that's the marquee