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MrDuke said:
Tara Conner - are you kidding me...

Mr. Duke, if she had a request for you to submit to her for the opportunity to SEE her in person, you would do it. I know I would! I think it's funny when people hide behind their machines typing a bunch of b.s. (cough legal, cough pennies).
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Its really not that hard to understand the model
 
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Ron H. Bt Co_founder said:
I completely disagree with half of your response. First of all (and I mean no disrespect when I say this), But none of our pros would probably consider you competition. And your word "competition" is very misguided and tunnel visioned. All of our Pro's have labels, publishing companies, production companies, record companies and other businesses that NEED OTHER talented people for them to succeed. Its not a 1 man show. And what better way to build your brand then to be associated with a BRAND NAME. Who has the better chance of making it?

Cat A....Doing what all you guys are doing now (Im not knockin the hustle by any means)...

Cat B....Gets on Darkchild's team and has DC cosign for him to the millions of fans DC already has? Gets introduced to all the major players in the game as the new kid on the block, gets work just by being with DC.

How do you think most of the Big named cats got big???

Who put Rich Harrison on?
Who put Bryan Michael Cox on?
Who put Darkchild on?
Who put Dallas Austin on?
Who put Kanye West on?
Who put Danja Handz on?

Do your homework kid before you start spitting about how to make it this here production game.

Thank you.
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First off don't assume everybody that post on this site is a "Future Producer" or even a producer at all. Lesson one is do your proper research on the online community your targeting your product/service so you dont come off as foolish as you do right now. Contribute some knowledge and wisdom to the message board community out of respect before peddling. You can save all the 'industry' online fronting homie and get real with what it is

And as I said yes they're your (producer) competition, if you want to sell the position of "your just a little nobody, u should be lucky to even have a talk with the big dawgs' that's cool for the PROSUMERS who are just glorified fans of the game not for 2010 business - minded music entrepreneur that knows its about building your own success, not looking for a lifesaver...from the sinking titatanic. My challenge to them (not you) still stands
 
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Bipso Beatmasta said:
Ok, first of all, it's quite CLEAR who is representing their BUSINESS on this forum and who is WASTING TIME on this forum dropping false knowledge (cough legal, cough dollarz). You have over 900 posts and I have yet to find a post related to your business. Perhaps, you may need to go to the "Future Philosophers" forum and get educated on how to drop some real knowledge. Do you truly know anything about the music business/industry? How can you judge someone who has in fact achieved a level of success and you haven't? You will still be here 900 posts later while others who understand "opportunities" will be much further along. That's just my two cents (well in your case, dollars)!
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Hey its the return of the '6' post guy lol. Don't get up tight and lose your cool because in regards to me dropping 'false knowledge' you wont get 1 PERSON (with over 20 posts that it) on this message board to agree with you. You don't know me so the rest of your statement means nothing but if TRULY want to get into the music biz knowledge as it relates to the REALITIES of the current state of the music business (not outdated Donald Passman quotes or 1998 pre-internet talk) then lets go
 
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Legal Dollaz said:
First off don't assume everybody that post on this site is a "Future Producer" or even a producer at all. Lesson one is do your proper research on the online community your targeting your product/service so you dont come off as foolish as you do right now. Contribute some knowledge and wisdom to the message board community out of respect before peddling. You can save all the 'industry' online fronting homie and get real with what it is

And as I said yes they're your (producer) competition, if you want to sell the position of "your just a little nobody, u should be lucky to even have a talk with the big dawgs' that's cool for the PROSUMERS who are just glorified fans of the game not for 2010 business - minded music entrepreneur that knows its about building your own success, not looking for a lifesaver...from the sinking titatanic. My challenge to them (not you) still stands
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So don't assume that people who actually have a desire to produce are on futureproducers.com, in a thread titled, "Submit to a pro producer etc etc". Am i better off going to futureneedlepointers.com? Let me know! You sound a little silly on that one, but thats cool.

I am contributing knowledge, i came here to dispel any misconceptions about my company. I did not start the post, one of your peers did (remember that) I am providing a different route and idea of how to go about things. I explained everything, why it works, how it works, how it benefits you, the pros AND cons, top to bottom. How about you try this, before you criticize something and call us a fraud on something that you have never tried or experienced, stop trying to try to force feed your LEGAL DOLLAZ opinion on people, because it has no basis or merit. How can you form an opinion on something you are ignorant about? You can't, and if you do, that clearly shows how ignorant you truly are.

Take a step back from yourself...Try the website out...come back, then state your opinion on your experience...now u have a basis to speak on. Until then...you are just a skeptic with no real knowledge of the situation.
 
Bipso Beatmasta said:
MrDuke said:
Tara Conner - are you kidding me...

Mr. Duke, if she had a request for you to submit to her for the opportunity to SEE her in person, you would do it. I know I would! I think it's funny when people hide behind their machines typing a bunch of b.s. (cough legal, cough pennies).
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I think its funny when people with 6 posts suddenly appear out the blue trying to co-sign their own site under false pretences and then get upset when someone calls out their fraudulent moves. You deny it??
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Ron H. Bt Co_founder said:
So don't assume that people who actually have a desire to produce are on futureproducers.com, in a thread titled, "Submit to a pro producer etc etc". Am i better off going to futureneedlepointers.com? Let me know! You sound a little silly on that one, but thats cool.

I am contributing knowledge, i came here to dispel any misconceptions about my company. I did not start the post, one of your peers did (remember that) I am providing a different route and idea of how to go about things. I explained everything, why it works, how it works, how it benefits you, the pros AND cons, top to bottom. How about you try this, before you criticize something and call us a fraud on something that you have never tried or experienced, stop trying to try to force feed your LEGAL DOLLAZ opinion on people, because it has no basis or merit. How can you form an opinion on something you are ignorant about? You can't, and if you do, that clearly shows how ignorant you truly are.

Take a step back from yourself...Try the website out...come back, then state your opinion on your experience...now u have a basis to speak on. Until then...you are just a skeptic with no real knowledge of the situation.
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Everybody has the right to critize anything they want first off. As far as calling your business a fraud I never said that once, I simply said that the priority for a producer should be branding within the consumer target rather than his competition period end of story. Same thing I would tell a independent label thats in search of major distribution...at this point in the music business it would make sense for them to focus on their consumer than the major label because they are the ones that spend money on you. Basic logic. If you disagree then break your points down
 
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Ron H. Bt Co_founder said:
Why does Blazetrak work for them? Because it SHRINKS that pool down to a few thousand who are serious, better, more equipped, and READY, and see the value and opportunity in front of them, rather then complain about how hard it is to get a break. It allows them the chance to focus on the submission because good or bad, its not a waste of time, money, resources or effort anymore, because they are getting a fee....which equals quality responses
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makes perfect sense.
 
History Lesson for you Legal Dollaz:

How B.Cox got in the game:

http://www.blazetrak.com/bcoxstart.html click the 3rd video on right hand side

If you would like me to save you the trouble of watching the video, here is the summary:

He surrounded himself with people who were already successful...he got in with a camp with connections and knowledge on who to know and what to say, he was "NURTURED, TAUGHT, MENTORED".

Is this the only answer? of course its not, but its clearly A answer, and Blazetrak gives you a direct link to people who can provide this for you and are willing to for the right people. Is it guaranteed, of course not, its an opportunity just like any other opportunity. There is a COST to everything...opportunity cost (ECON 101) choosing to do one thing can cost you the opportunity of doing something else.....Marinate on that.

One thing for sure...the best way for someone who isnt successful to become successful is for someone who already made it to show them. If you got a room of unsuccessful people trying the same unsuccessful tactics getting the same unsuccessful results (just a general statement) what do you get? Someone needs to break the cycle and bring someone in who been there done that.
 
Let's Go

Legal Dollaz said:
Hey its the return of the '6' post guy lol. Don't get up tight and lose your cool because in regards to me dropping 'false knowledge' you wont get 1 PERSON (with over 20 posts that it) on this message board to agree with you. You don't know me so the rest of your statement means nothing but if TRULY want to get into the music biz knowledge as it relates to the REALITIES of the current state of the music business (not outdated Donald Passman quotes or 1998 pre-internet talk) then lets go
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Ok, Let's Go! Why would I want anyone to agree with me? That's your first mistake. You are seeking approval of others on this forum by purposefully misinforming them on knowledge you don't have. 95% of your posts (Since November 2007) are either putting up a bunch of random statistics or bad mouthing other websites. So, that's two years of you posting worthless B.S.

So, here I come as the "newbie 7th post guy" searching for real knowledge on a forum called "Future Producers" and I run across the "900th post guy" with the assumption that he has some valuable information. Then I review his previous posts knocking others and their ventures and think to myself, "what's his venture? what's his business?"...hmmmm..there is none.

Then I read how he is the firm believer in not selling out and being independent, but then post "Billboard" as one of his top 5 favorite websites. That's interesting since Billboard focuses on high profile professionals (PROsumers), the same people he keeps knocking on this site called Blazetrak. Then I learn that even Blazetrak was in Billboard. So I figured it out. It's plain and simple. The 900th post guy is ranting about Blazetrak and high profile professionals who BOTH have been on his FAVORITE website and he has not even been considered. Aww..so sorry.

So, if it only takes me 7 posts to point out the reality of the situation, I have wasted far less time than the 900 post guy who has wasted 2 years posting b.s.! Let's Go!!!!!
 
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From what I see, correct me if I am wrong.

Someone pays a professional for feedback on a record. Okay feedback is a form of consulting. So for only a $150 I can get a cheap consultation session from one of the top people in the industry!

It's not about getting a deal, it's about consultation from industry professional.

It's really a good deal. You can try to hire a consultant, but some one at Darkchild's level will cost you about $5000 a month. and most of the time a minimum of one month. So $150 is cheap, really cheap. plus you got video for you to keep going back to review. It's really a great tool, with alot of potential.
 
Bipso Beatmasta said:
Ok, Let's Go! Why would I want anyone to agree with me? That's your first mistake. You are seeking approval of others on this forum by purposefully misinforming them on knowledge you don't have. 95% of your post (Since November 2007) are either putting up a bunch of random statistics or bad mouthing other websites. So, that's two years of you posting worthless B.S.

So, here I come as the "newbie 7th post guy" searching for real knowledge on a forum called "Future Producers" and I run across the "900th post guy" with the assumption that he has something valuable information. Then I review his previous posts knocking others and their ventures and think to myself, "what's his venture? what's his business?"...hmmmm..there is none.

Then I read how he is the firm believer in not selling out and being independent, but then post "Billboard" as one of his top 5 favorite websites. That's interesting since Billboard focuses on high profile professionals (PROsumers), the same people he keeps knocking on this site called Blazetrak. Then I learn that even Blazetrak was in Billboard. So I figured it out. It's plain and simple. The 900th post guy is ranting about Blazetrak and high profile professionals who BOTH have been on his FAVORITE website.

So, if it only takes me 7 posts to point out the reality of the situation, I have wasted far less time than the 900 post guy who has wasted 2 yearsing b.s.! Let's Go!!!!!
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I know your not really serious are you? You gotta be kidding at this point seriously lol
 
B.Cox really excelled in the game because he his a smart dude, and a really nice person. Bryan is one of the most polite people I have ever met.
 
Sorry for this post being totally unrelated to the thread, but...
Legal Dollaz, I've been wanting to ask you a question if you don't mind. You've talked about how money's going to be the new filter. What would you suggest a young cat (who's not looking for a come up or to be put on "coz his beetz are phat and he wants a maybach":p) do in this day and age, business wise. I'm working on perfecting my craft (a process that only ends at death imo), but on the business side, what should an 18 year old with little money do?
 
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Legal Dollaz said:
I know your not really serious are you? You gotta be kidding at this point seriously lol
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You're at 928 posts now! Are you waiting to get to 1000 before you say something worthwhile??? Come on dude.
 
The biggest flaw in Legal Dollaz's argument is that he is assuming that other producers are COMPETITION

What about collaboration and cooperation? These two concepts are becoming way more viable in a knowledge / service based economy than under previous, industrial based economies.

Its about collaboratively increasing the size of the cake rather than your own individual slice.

I'm not saying Legal Dollaz's view is "wrong", its just that its the "competitive" view of industry, while Blazetraks sees it through a "collaborative" lens.

Two different ways of doing things, no objectively right way - best to agree to disagree on this one.
 
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Ron H. Bt Co_founder said:
How do you think most of the Big named cats got big???

Who put Rich Harrison on?
Who put Bryan Michael Cox on?
Who put Darkchild on?
Who put Dallas Austin on?
Who put Kanye West on?
Who put Danja Handz on?
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TRUE.

but (for example) "time to quote some scripture" in Russell Simmons' book Do You!, he emphatically states on pg. 102: "no one is going to put you on. Please understand that. Your hard work is going to put you on. Not another person"

in my opinion, Legal is sayin' what Russell is sayin', PUT YOURSELF ON.

which, in a way, kinda goes counter to the Blazetrak philosophy.

$.02
 
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Ron H. Bt Co_founder said:
Where here one for you Legal Dollaz that has 4000 posts who agrees with the concept.

Time to think out the box...
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No agree to what you said about myself not about your business. I really don't care about your business one bit BUT I will put out there that in a time where your dealing with a business model in dire straits (you agree or disagree??????) I believe the so called 'big dawgs' can come up with a real business solution as oppose to just hustling off of their brand to up and coming COMPETITION (yes I will repeat it again because basic logic).
 
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