Soul Sampling vs. Jazz Sampling

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Hey FP...I've got a dilemma and was wondering if anyone has some advice.

I've been making sampled beats for a decent amount of time now and I can make some hot ish off soul and rock samples (I think they're much more similar than people think they are). However, everytime I try my hand at some jazz it always turns out like garbage.

I'll be grooving out to a jazz record and spot a hot couple bars, but I can never seem to make it sound as fresh in a track. It's kinda frustrating because those relaxed, chilled out jazz sampled tracks are some of my favorites.

Thoughts?
 
Jazz can be hard because its hard to find the tempo of it they mostly play what they FEEL so they dont always stick to the metronome. Its gonna b hard to get it to sound better better than the original record but if u practice at it u could possible get something good out of it. I dont really sample jazz so i cant help u out too much but im trying to get into it. ALSO if u have some good jazz songs i would suggest finding breaks and choppin the Hi hats or other precussions out of them. THEY MAKE HIP HOP TRACKS SOUND ALOT BETTER IMO
 
Jazz is my Ish all day everyday, the old stuff tho, not no smooth jazz ish...
 
play to your strengths or just practice. u dont have to be good at sampling everything. I can make some dope tracks out of Country, 80s pop, jazz, and soul but I cant touch rock it doesnt work well for me
 
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i feel you pain dog...im not too well with the jazz either but i dont have a wide selection...
 
i dont know why theres much of a problem unless your sampling free jazz. Jazz has structure just like any other music, chop your samples according to how the drums hit and everything will fall into place no matter what genre of music your sampling from.
 
providing the song has drums yes and also depending on how long some of the notes are i cut on notes
 
i perfer soul so much better the musical landscapes on the soul records r jus crazy and lovely to fukkwith
 
i do chop on beat...but the way im used to manipulating soul records just doesnt work on jazz. im figuring it must be some difference in the fundamental scales of each genre
 
Jimini said:
i would say chop it more, because most jazz songs are not on beat, and they switch up a lot. but if u chop it correctly, u can make it happen.
check out the jazz sample that i used.
>>>> https://www.futureproducers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208355
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Damn that was fresh.
And just to continue with the sharing of jazz beats, check this out: http://www.******.net/audio/2611329bdbc152/

I never used to be able to get anything good out of jazz but I think I can do it now... just keep trying.

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you dont need to nessecarily chop on the drum hits, but I meant chop your samples into quarter bars. There's almost never a need to chop smaller then quarter notes unless your doing some primo ish. It keeps things small so that you can rearange them tight and also small enough that when you timestretch them, the sample will be on point with your tempo.
 
best advice i can give on sampling jazz: listen to a song you like that samples jazz, suggestions: anything jazzy by pete rock, premo, dilla, find the original sample, a lot of them are listed here: www.the-breaks.com , and then try to recreate the beat, you'll be surprised how much you can learn.
 
A Sample is A Sample

Yeah Jazz Soul its all great. Jazz you have to find the right place to chop. But that's The Same With All Sampling.
 
I had the same problem u had except the opposite. I started sampleing from Jazz and had problems going to soul. The best advice I can give you for jazz is to start off chooping in whole bars then moving on to smaller pieces. ALso what type of jazz are you sampling? Classic 30's jazz is very difficult to sample but gives great results when figured out. Start with fusion and latin jazz easier to find the grooves on there and brings some good resuslts.
 
I sample jazz tunes all the time man. I don't get into any of that fusion; I like the classics and the 40's bebop, some stuff after that like Miles Davis.
For horns I usually try to suck the drums and bass out with eq. Otherwise there's plenty of open upright bass, drum fills and solo piano out there.
 
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