something about tupac

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OsamaPigLatin said:



But there is no greatest. Basicalmente.
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That's cool, I can't argue against that opinion eventhough I feel different.
 
OsamaPigLatin said:
Nyggas who know how to read will have observed that



A. I never stated who I thought was the greatest because there.....is no greatest. I know who's I'd CONSIDER to be the Top 5 and even the Tope 3...my choices, but I'll never call them THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST EVER. That's just irresponsible...responsibility is something that nyggas know something about.


B. No one ever argued that the world will not remember Pac....in fact a very long time ago I myself said on FP that Pac has to be considered one of the greatest because courses are taught on his writing, he has his name written on the sides of villages in Africa, and he had material for all walks of life.

Oh And C. YOU HAVE TO factor in that PAC's music fueled the beef so you can't separate his flaws from his music. You'd have to be one ignorant individual to say otherwise and if you do then you have no respect for this hip hop thing period. Until one of you either invent time travel or you learn how to raise the dead then there's nothing more to really discuss. Musically the man was A GREAT....not THE GREATEST. Same could be said for B.I.G or whoever else you'd like to vote on.







But there is no greatest. Basicalmente.
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I don't agree, but I respect that opinion. I've already stated mine, so I'll leave it at that. Peace.
 
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OsamaPigLatin said:

Oh And C. YOU HAVE TO factor in that PAC's music fueled the beef so you can't separate his flaws from his music. You'd have to be one ignorant individual to say otherwise and if you do then you have no respect for this hip hop thing period. Until one of you either invent time travel or you learn how to raise the dead then there's nothing more to really discuss. Musically the man was A GREAT....not THE GREATEST. Same could be said for B.I.G or whoever else you'd like to vote on.
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No matter whether Pac's music fueled beef or social change...it was good music. Meaning something i can pop in my cd player and listen to, and be impressed. Music can be good music no matter what kind of message it sends. Shyt i don't agree with most of hip hop artists message but i will listen and when applicable....deem it good music.
I'll worry about potential social impact of good music when i have a real way to influence it...till then i just listen to what the influencers put out.

By the way i called you monday, and you never called me back dog!!! lol
 
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alric said:
let's try and break down this non-cohesive jumble....



did you not even read the previous posts? its obvious you HATE Tupac. Your disdain is evident in these and past posts where you even go so far as to suggest Tupac's whole career was a gimmick. Ignorant.

https://www.futureproducers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=47018553#post47018553





You were in, what, 5th grade when Pac died? You barely have the intellectual tools to even write a cohesive paragraph now, I very much doubt you were apart of any serious discussion when you were 10/11 years old.





Again, did you not read the previous posts? One of the things that constitute Tupac as the greatest was his amazing ability to successfully make songs of different subjects.

If you want to post average, and even horrible, gangster tracks look no further than your own soundclick page.

http://www.soundclick.com/thestreetsweeperfamily





I don't even understand what this is suppossed to mean.You should have more respect being a wannabe rapper and producer. Tupac was 18 when he released his first album.


You're better off making posts asking R&B producers if they have sex to their own music.

https://www.futureproducers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142824


now go hide under a rock, don't post in this thread anymore, unless you want to be further ridiculed and make yourself look even more ridiculous than anyone on this board could.
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puffedoutproductions said:


No matter whether Pac's music fueled beef or social change...it was good music. Meaning something i can pop in my cd player and listen to, and be impressed. Music can be good music no matter what kind of message it sends. Shyt i don't agree with most of hip hop artists message but i will listen and when applicable....deem it good music.
I'll worry about potential social impact of good music when i have a real way to influence it...till then i just listen to what the influencers put out.

By the way i called you monday, and you never called me back dog!!! lol
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LOL! Hold on for a sec...



I think I should start arguing that Jay is THE GREATEST to ever do it.



Who's the only rapper to drop a 3x platinum album on the day that terrorists flew a plane into skyscrapers in his own hometown? He sold over 400,000 that week while the country was still in mourning.


Who had the top selling album at the end of the last millenium? You know that umm...we'll have to wait another 994 years to see who accomplishes that feat next.


Who's the only rapper to change an entire country's wardrobe with one line?


Sales consistency? Please....We won't even talk about the sold out shows.

Social impact? Fashion influence? Slang usage? Some would swear that Jay came up with Fo Sho, izzle, and that "Philly whisper".


His career as a whole....remarkable. There isn't another rapper in history who's achieved what he has.





Ha...he still isn't the greatest. And I just checked my messages on THAT phone u bastard. No I'm being dead serious...I don't check my messages for shyt. It's probably best to send a text message because I use it all the time...so I'll be sure to come across yours in there. In fact, I'm cleaning up again so hit me up on AIM.
 
There's alot Tupac has achieved that Jay hasn't. So far he leads in millions ahead of Jay as far as album sales. He accomplished much of that after his death. He also accomplished much of that when he was alive, when hip hop wasn't mainstream, before it was reduced to a marketing tool to attract the urban market, whcih Jay-Z had a hand in.

Social impact? Please. His posthumous albums outsell new, hot artists. There are Tupac sightings to this day! Even a thread dedicated to it here on the boards!


But yeah, Jay-Z is tight too.
 
OsamaPigLatin said:


Who's the only rapper to drop a 3x platinum album on the day that terrorists flew a plane into skyscrapers in his own hometown? He sold over 400,000 that week while the country was still in mourning.


Who had the top selling album at the end of the last millenium? You know that umm...we'll have to wait another 994 years to see who accomplishes that feat next.


Who's the only rapper to change an entire country's wardrobe with one line?


Sales consistency? Please....We won't even talk about the sold out shows.

Social impact? Fashion influence? Slang usage? Some would swear that Jay came up with Fo Sho, izzle, and that "Philly whisper".


His career as a whole....remarkable. There isn't another rapper in history who's achieved what he has.
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Well you typed all that but you didnt say anything about the QUALITY of his MUSIC...just his cultural impact. Which may or may not be as great or better than Pac's. Using that logic though one could argue for 50 cent as one of the GOATs!! lmfao where's Quiet Storm for some comic relief when you need him!

He has had a great career though. And has made some very good music, with assistance from great producers and the great emcee's he bit. **** he flip's the old dudes lines better than they did, often enough.



OsamaPigLatin said:


And I just checked my messages on THAT phone u bastard. No I'm being dead serious...I don't check my messages for shyt. It's probably best to send a text message because I use it all the time...so I'll be sure to come across yours in there. In fact, I'm cleaning up again so hit me up on AIM.
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ok..i don't see you on aim now but i'll holla when i do....aight i'll text next time then
 
Ummm.....





I was REALLY being sarcastic. I mean....REALLY.

EDIT...sarcastic is the wrong word. let's just say I know better than to think he's the greatest.
 
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OsamaPigLatin said:
Ummm.....





I was REALLY being sarcastic. I mean....REALLY.

EDIT...sarcastic is the wrong word. let's just say I know better than to think he's the greatest.
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Oh lol damn its hard to catch that shyt on the internet sometimes especially when muphuckas say that same shyt everyday and mean it!

Well i knew you were making a hypothetical arguement, but i didnt catch the sarcasm in the WAY you were making your arguement.
 
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alric said:


Tupac's music will outlive his that of his peers and will be regarded as the best in his genre and in music in general.
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hellllllllll no.
In rap, yea. But Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach in classical, DJ teisto in trance, Micheal Jackson in pop, Beatles in rock, Elvis in country, Mariah Carey in rnb, Benassi in techno. All those people are great.

2pac is the greatest in rap and will always be remembered, but that is just an wrong. respek
 
EmanOn said:
LMFAO see Pac is IMMUNE to wrong doing on this board....50 Cent Rules!!!
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Thats certainly not the case. Pac did a lot of wrong; let's not forget that he was a street nigga.

And that's another reason why I like him, b/c at the end of the day he was just like everyone of me and my people.

Unlike others who have the power to incite socio-political changes (most notably Kanye West), Pac never detached himself from the hood. A few of my guys in East Point told me the story of a time where they heard Pac was standing on the corner in the middle of the f*cking hood, asking where some sh*t is poppin at (mind you he was a musical icon and very wealthy at the time). Chillin in pool halls and cribs in the hood getting blunted and drunk with 100's of poor folks.

Pac did plenty wrong, and while it's good to know and understand that it does not deter from the legacy that he has left behind. MLK slept with 100's of other women, but that does not undermine his accomplishments. I'm not equating Pac to MLK, but he had the potential to be that, and it's sad that he was assassinated before he had the chance to do so.

In the legal field of contracts, we call it preventative law; alleviating problems before they are allowed to develop. The government practices this on a much different scale; i.e. slaying the leaders of oppressed peoples to prevent unification and rebellion. And putting a stranglehold on the world's most finite and precious natural resources to prevent the growth of nations and retain dominance. As I said before, Pac was a lot bigger than most of you think.

Pac said plenty wrong, but he understood that and voiced it eloquently; case in point..
"They say my ghetto instrumentals, are detrimental to kids, as if they can't see the misery, in which they live."

I'm really done posting this time. Geo and sociopolitics are a little too far over the heads of some children on this board, who only read the first two sentences of a post, and respond with unarticulated garbage.

Peace
 
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MVP said:


hellllllllll no.
In rap, yea. But Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach in classical, DJ teisto in trance, Micheal Jackson in pop, Beatles in rock, Elvis in country, Mariah Carey in rnb, Benassi in techno. All those people are great.

2pac is the greatest in rap and will always be remembered, but that is just an wrong. respek
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hellllllll yes. He deserves to be mentioned among those names. Respek.
 
in my opinion he is the greatest, i'm only 21 but feel i can say that.

i judge him on alot of things mainly
influence, record sales, and of course the music, he's made a lot of classic tracks - keep ya head up, i get around, temtations to name a few.

to those who don't rate him, why do you think he's on every other music channel everyday, in the source and vibe magazine every other month, and talked about constantly on the web, in are social life, and on television.

at the end of it all his death probaly did make him bigger , but only because we don't no what we have until its gone !
gone in the phisical form anyway, his spirt lives on, so does the music ( it will be timeless)

i also heard he's not finished, i heard the last origanal release comes out this year.
 
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mr producer said:

to those who don't rate him, why do you think he's on every other music channel everyday, in the source and vibe magazine every other month, and talked about constantly on the web, in are social life, and on television.
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so is paris hilton
 
sure but paris did'nt loose her life 9 years ago,
anyway you know what i mean.
 
i know Elvis is mostly rock, but he did some country as well. I think of 2pac as the greatest in rap, but im saying dont forget the other genres. We could only rate people in the genre of music they made music in. Thats was the point of the post. And when you say he is the greatest in all genres u are taking out a lot of people and cant even compare them right. respek
 
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BJv said:


I think most people who were into hiphop at that time and old enough to understand what was going on will tell you that your opinion sucks
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I don't know about what most people think, but I know that I was around and I think his opinion SUCKS.
 
Osama Pig Latin is the dumbest muthphucka on this board.


Jay the GOAT...LOLOLOLOLOL.
 
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