Rewire Vs Bouncing To Disk Sound Quality Video

[DaNOC]

What i'm arguing is REWIRING gets better sound quality than bouncing NOT BECAUSE your bouncing to WAV (because your recording to wav in pro tools so why would i argue that) - but because the pro tools sound engine is of higher quality than the reason engine.

Brother you just said it yourself, you said PT SOUND ENGINE (CONVERTOR/ALGORITHIMS) ARE SUPERIOR TO REASON ENGINE lol so guess what when you rewire into PT what's going to happen if PT sound engine is superior to Reason? LOL It's going to jump in sound quality not meaning rewiring is better than wav bouncing lol I just told you, my wav sound LOUDER not CHANGED from when I had it in Reason and bounced to PT, because the convertors/algorithims in the 002Rack is better. This is why we all go to PT so it can have the sheen on it lol Now I don't even have to go to PT I can stay in Record because the board is top quality and Props said it is. So is Props lying?

 

[malki]

that was pretty scientific too i might add

 

[malki]

Brother you just said it yourself, you said PT SOUND ENGINE (CONVERTOR/ALGORITHIMS) ARE SUPERIOR TO REASON ENGINE lol so guess what when you rewire into PT what's going to happen if PT sound engine is superior to Reason? LOL It's going to jump in sound quality not meaning rewiring is better than wav bouncing lol I just told you, my wav sound LOUDER not CHANGED from when I had it in Reason because the convertors/algorithims in the 002Rack is better.

no your still going in your computer, not through the racks converters. converters dont make a difference in this case. i didnt just hear loudness, neither did the other people who agreed with me. and these other people are just as credible sources as me

 

[malki]

if i just heard loudness it would have NULLED ITSELF OUT


as in

YOU WOULNDT HAVE HEARD ANY SOUND AT ALL WHEN I REVERESED THE POLARITY

watch this video on nulling:

http://www.screencast.com/users/peeder/folders/tutorials/media/c0571b50-ffeb-4aab-b0c5-699a9dd1ac01

 

[malki]

Now I don't even have to go to PT I can stay in Record because the board is top quality and Props said it is. So is Props lying?

in 1492 british scientists said that the world was flat. were they lying?

 

[DaNOC]

no your still going in your computer, not through the racks converters. converters dont make a difference in this case. i didnt just hear loudness, neither did the other people who agreed with me. and these other people are just as credible sources as me

Malki I would hope people's computers is hooked up to their studio monitors in order to hear this drastic change. Again bro can you prove wav audio bouncing loses audio quality. That's all that matters right now. I aready agreed to rewire, I said it's HOT! but it's not for me and it takes to much time when I can get the same quality! Oh even more, I am not using Reason anymore, you are I have a totally different board now, modelled after the SSL 9000K. See I know how to work a real SSL board, I can take one kick and make 9 kicks from that one, using that board. This is why they went to the extreme so one doesn't have to leave the enviroment. so again can you prove wav bouncing loses audio quality.

 

[say it terror]

cool test. thanks for spending the time to put this up. i've read arguments before about the advantages of rewiring and this test helps clears things up a little. although the settings for the test aren't exactly the "strictest", i believe them to be more realistic and therefore maybe more accurate in actual general practice.

i do think though that this topic will go the way of the record one and just become a clash of personalities instead of a discussion.

yo malki in the record thread i thought you were wrong but i now admit that you are probably correct.

 

[malki]

cool test. thanks for spending the time to put this up. i've read arguments before about the advantages of rewiring and this test helps clears things up a little. although the settings for the test aren't exactly the "strictest", i believe them to be more realistic and therefore maybe more accurate in actual general practice.

i do think though that this topic will go the way of the record one and just become a clash of personalities instead of a discussion.

yo malki in the record thread i thought you were wrong but i now admit that you are probably correct.

ok thanks man thats why i made this video.i know i probobly looked bad in the record thread, and its not in me to bash anything without making a thorough evaluation first. i just want to help people and i hope everyone can see this and contribute with an open mind. thanks for watching.

 

[malki]

Malki I would hope people's computers is hooked up to their studio monitors in order to hear this drastic change. Again bro can you prove wav audio bouncing loses audio quality. That's all that matters right now. I aready agreed to rewire, I said it's HOT! but it's not for me and it takes to much time when I can get the same quality! Oh even more, I am not using Reason anymore, you are I have a totally different board now, modelled after the SSL 9000K. See I know how to work a real SSL board, I can take one kick and make 9 kicks from that one, using that board. This is why they went to the extreme so one doesn't have to leave the enviroment. so again can you prove wav bouncing loses audio quality.

danoc i know you dont understand this, but one day it might hit you what im saying. this is something i found out through long days of working with reason. im not a newcomer to this **** man. dont try to change the subject or change the argument. i just proved my case, point blank

 

[DaNOC]

in 1492 british scientists said that the world was flat. were they lying?

Well the British, either they were dumb as a rock or just pulling our legs. They Ku****es and Egyptians already knew world was round, and I believe the Akebulan(African) people before I believe the Brits. Oh I am good with history too so don't sleep! lol That has nothing to do with this, stay on topic.


Now back to this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV <--------

Popularity
Uncompressed WAV files are quite large in size, so, as file sharing over the Internet has become popular, the WAV format has declined in popularity. However, it is still a commonly used file type, suitable for retaining “first generation” archived files of high quality, for use on a system where disk space is not a constraint, or in applications such as audio editing, where the time involved in compressing and uncompressing data is a concern.

More frequently, the smaller file sizes of compressed but lossy formats such as MP3, ATRAC, AAC, Ogg Vorbis, Musepack and WMA are used to store and transfer audio. Their small file sizes allow faster Internet transmission, as well as lower consumption of space on memory media. However, lossy formats trade off smaller file size against loss of audio quality, as all such compression algorithms compromise available signal detail. There are also lossless codecs, such as FLAC, Shorten, Monkey's Audio, ATRAC Advanced Lossless, Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, TTA, and WavPack, but none of these is yet a ubiquitous standard for both professional and home audio.

The usage of the WAV format has more to do with its familiarity, its simplicity and simple structure, which is heavily based on the IFF file format. Because of this, it continues to enjoy widespread use with a variety of software applications, often functioning as a 'lowest common denominator' when it comes to exchanging sound files between different programs.

In spite of their large size, uncompressed WAV (though that format can be different from the Microsoft WAV) files are sometimes used by some radio broadcasters, especially those that have adopted the tapeless system. BBC Radio in the UK uses 44.1 kHz 16 bit two channel .wav audio as standard in their VCS system. The ABC “D-Cart” system, which was developed by the Australian broadcaster, also uses a non-compressed format to preserve sound quality, and it has become more economical as the cost of data storage has dropped. In the system of “D-Cart”, the sampling rate of WAV files is usually at a 48 kHz 16 bit two channel, which is identical to that of the Digital Audio



That's another source, plus my ears, I have already said, I have not seen a change in audio quality. I dare someone to prove wav format bouncing lose audio quality just 1% I dare anyone to prove this wrong. Do I need to putup more proof? your vid didn't prove wav lose quality either.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

Am I the only one in this thread that realizes the 14:2 mixer effects the sounds put in it as Propellerhead has stated themselves?

Including it in one bounce and excluding it from the other is the equivalent of me comparing an export with FX on with a dry export.

I'm sure I'm just a hater for stating the f**king obvious that even Propellerhead admits.

I'm not sure on the 6 channel mixer. But I am sure you could easily retest running an instrument directly thru "Audio output 1 & 2". If this argument means that much to you. Or, leave the mixer on and run reason to a single stereo track when reWired.

What loses me after that is if they do sound different, isn't one being "better" left to preference? While you're at it, Why not try it in Logic and Sonar as well?

i'm not saying this to counteract what your saying, just because it's the same thing as the argument that "MPC Sounds better" or "Harware sounds better".

If you really want to prove your point, the compromise of human error must be removed. your test was full of it. I really hope you are right so you can somehow feel victorious. It matters that much to you, just test correctly. lol.

I think I'm just factually correct up here so often that people jump bandwagons to try to make me wrong when I've yet said the quality is the same, but simply that your test was 100% factually bogus.

 

[malki]

That's another source, plus my ears, I have already said, I have not seen a change in audio quality. I dare someone to prove wav format bouncing lose audio quality just 1% I dare anyone to prove this wrong. Do I need to putup more proof? your vid didn't prove wav lose quality either.

danoc man, are you that hardheaded or are you just trying to beat a dead horse. or did you just not read my responses? i dont even feel like typing any more go back to the previous page and read my previous response to the same question.

 

[DaNOC]

danoc i know you dont understand this, but one day it might hit you what im saying. this is something i found out through long days of working with reason. im not a newcomer to this **** man. dont try to change the subject or change the argument. i just proved my case, point blank

Malki here we go again, You seem not to let this go. if one doesnt agree with you you get all salty. Now my thing is where just one place have I got off topic? show me? you're the one thats talking about Brits, what the hell do they got to do with wav bouncing and rewire? I am on topic. Ask anyone I always stay on topic. I don't understand? No, what I want you to do is prove wav bouncing lose audio quality and you keep yappin but you're not proving anything. I also know it's easier to use and FASTER! I dare anyone to challenge me, I will prove in a video, Quality superb, easier and faster, I DARE ANYONE AND ANYONE WHO APPROVES OF YOU WITH WHAT YOU SAY!

Listen I am calling anyone out who thinks they can prove me wrong. Again show me wav quality is compromised and then I will say "MALKI YOU GOT IT".

 

[DaNOC]

danoc man, are you that hardheaded or are you just trying to beat a dead horse. or did you just not read my responses? i dont even feel like typing any more go back to the previous page and read my previous response to the same question.

No not hard headed intelligent. PROVE WAV QUALITY IS COMPROMISED WHEN BOUNCING! Your vid did not show that bruh. I read your whole post. did you read mines?

 

[malki]

Am I the only one in this thread that realizes the 14:2 mixer effects the sounds put in it as Propellerhead has stated themselves?

Including it in one bounce and excluding it from the other is the equivalent of me comparing an export with FX on with a dry export.

I'm sure I'm just a hater for stating the f**king obvious that even Propellerhead admits.

I'm not sure on the 6 channel mixer. But I am sure you could easily retest running an instrument directly thru "Audio output 1 & 2". If this argument means that much to you.

What loses me after that is if they do sound different, isn't one being "better" left to preference? While you're at it, Why not try it in Logic and Sonar as well?

i'm not saying this to counteract what your saying, just because it's the same thing as the argument that "MPC Sounds better" or "Harware sounds better".

If you really want to prove your point, the compromise of human error must be removed. you test was full of it. I really hope you are right so you can somehow feel victorious. It matters that much to you, just test correctly. lol.

lol allright man youve got a point. but the thing is, you cant effectively rewire using the 14:1 mixer because it only has 1 output for 14 stereo channels, so you actually are REQUIRED to bypass the mixer when rewiring if you want each sound on its own track.

bringing me back to the point of rewiring over bouncing because of the increased quality when you bypass the mixer.

and you absolutely cannot make a beat in reason without a mixer UNLESS you rewire. and thats where it stands right now.

 

[DaNOC]

danoc man, are you that hardheaded or are you just trying to beat a dead horse. or did you just not read my responses? i dont even feel like typing any more go back to the previous page and read my previous response to the same question.

I have giving you 3 sources, here is the third

Definition:
WAV - Stands for Waveform Audio Format. This is a high-quality audio file type generally used for applications that require high quality, such as CDs. WAV files are uncompressed, and therefore take up some disk space, unlike MP3s or AACs, which are compressed.

Because WAV files are uncompressed, they contain more data and produce better, more subtle, and more detailed sounds.

http://ipod.about.com/od/filetypes/g/wav_definition.htm <---proof

Did you see what he said "MORE DETAILED SOUND" and it's uncompressed, how in the world do you lose audio quality if it's uncompressed? lol ctfu lol

 

[malki]

Malki here we go again, You seem not to let this go. if one doesnt agree with you you get all salty. Now my thing is where just one place have I got off topic? show me? you're the one thats talking about Brits, what the hell do they got to do with wav bouncing and rewire? I am on topic. Ask anyone I always stay on topic. I don't understand? No, what I want you to do is prove wav bouncing lose audio quality and you keep yappin but you're not proving anything. I also know it's easier to use and FASTER! I dare anyone to challenge me, I will prove in a video, Quality superb, easier and faster, I DARE ANYONE AND ANYONE WHO APPROVES OF YOU WITH WHAT YOU SAY!

Listen I am calling anyone out who thinks they can prove me wrong. Again show me wav quality is compromised and then I will say "MALKI YOU GOT IT".

why do you keep trying to change the subject. lol i already proved my case man. whatever your trying to say doesnt mean **** i already proved rewiring > bouncing.

that was the argument. point blank period. you tried to do this "wav" file argument last time and i told u you were changing the subject, you always do this. lol

 

[malki]

just 1 more time so you catch it

What i'm arguing is REWIRING gets better sound quality than bouncing NOT BECAUSE your bouncing to WAV (because your recording to wav in pro tools so why would i argue that) - but because the pro tools sound engine is of higher quality than the reason engine.

Now i'm pretty sure the mixer has something to do with it as people pointed out, it changes the sound a bit, and by me bypassing the mixer via rewiring i heard a difference, and i actually heard this difference before bouncing out of reason. I was making the beat in reason, then i opened up pro tools to finish it and the minute i connected my instruments to the rewire device the sound quality increased a noticable amount.

thus telling me rewire is better because theres no way to make a beat in reason without using the mixer UNLESS YOU REWIRE. so there it is.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

lol allright man youve got a point. but the thing is, you cant effectively rewire using the 14:1 mixer because it only has 1 output for 14 stereo channels, so you actually are REQUIRED to bypass the mixer when rewiring if you want each sound on its own track.

bringing me back to the point of rewiring over bouncing because of the increased quality when you bypass the mixer.

and you absolutely cannot make a beat in reason without a mixer UNLESS you rewire. and thats where it stands right now.

That's all I said 1st page that got the "f**k deRanged" squad supportin you because they have that much distaste for me being right and knowing sh*t, then you fed off the energy and ultimately admit I was right.

And you can rewire a sing stereo chaneel using the mixer. You an engineer right? I ain't gotta explain it. open a stereo track in Pro Tools and figure it out when you click on "Rewire>Reason R and L Stereo"

 

[malki]

whatever your writing about losless wavs mean nothing when they come from the reason enviornment.


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