say it terror
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that was me who posted that i think. dubstepforum?
propellerheads are soon gonna announce something new/ The Reason 5 thread
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that was me who posted that i think. dubstepforum?
mrgibbs
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its amazing how many unregisterd users get roasted over there as well. i take it that your one of them and the person who wrote that comment is one as well. the funny thing there is respectable discussions on the props forum just know you better be a registered user before you try to make any request or negative comments because they will give a roasting of a lifetime and i respect that all that way.
Darko
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I bet props could put a recycle machine in reason 5.5 as the only new feature, charge $200 for the update and most people would be cool with that. $25 off for registered Recycle owners.
_SG_
It's All In The Beat
So if you're unregistered that means you either have no experience with reason or have pirated it?
Dismissing a criticism and not even giving it a chance, well that's just a great precursor for intelligent conversation!
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DaNOC
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:rofl: Exactly why I aint getting rid of my MPC lol I aint listening to dudes. There is good advice then there is ignorant. lol And I definitely aint giving up my hardware modules no way hosea!
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:rofl::rofl::rofl: Yo, I was over in the Props forum yo this dude told Props " All unregistered users shouldn't mix with us registered users, make them a forum where they can go into and not here. they are giving ideas and they aren't even registered, it's not fair yada yada " Man dudes are taking it serious lol haha:rofl:
say it terror
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funnily enough that quote he posted was by me on another forum. and i am a registered reason and record user...
my comment was directed at the blatant fanboyism that exists over on the propellerheads forum. it's like some of these people live in a tiny bubble or something where propellerhead can do nothing wrong. i think it was beatdocter who mentioned a bunch of yes men. well that's what the props forum is like.
if you're making music and you post it up and nobody is giving you any real proper constructive criticism, just pats on the back, then you're either a musical genius or you're only showing your music to a bunch of yes people.
so either propellerheads are faultless or the official forums over there have become so saturated with fanboys. take some time and visit some other music forums and you will see different attitudes towards propellerheads. some good and some bad. some people love the company while others hate it.
i think part of the problem of why the official props forum are so rampant with fanboys is because the props products are generally stable. there is no "technical problems" section in the forum because honestly it isn't needed. reason and record are incredibly stable. amazingly so. therefore there is little aggravation towards props on the forum at all. not many people have technical issues or anything like that. and while that's a good thing it has kind of led to the place moving into a weird propellerhead shrine zone.
the feature suggestions page is generally useless. as it seems that props don't listen to forum suggestions at all. and if they did listen to the forum suggestions then by the number of requests they'd be working on reason and record for the ipad.
i really love the products that propellerheads make. but the company is not without its problems. and its good to point these out so hopefully they can improve their products in the future. after all if reason and record were already perfect then there would be no need for any further updates.
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actually unregistered users are only allowed post in the general forum. although they can view the rest of the forums they cannot post there.
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dabeatdoctor1989
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yeah....I just googled "Propellerheads fanboy" to see if there was anyone who felt the same and that forum post showed up.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/propellerheads-record-don-t-call-it-a-daw-motherf-cker-t112776-40.html
Focused
Sound Designer/Educator
Well I got my beta tonight....if you are a reason user, this is a sick update, sorry....its still missing some things, but what it has add makes reason much more versatile and immediately satisfying.
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dabeatdoctor1989
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Smh!!!!You can guess all you want ,you don't know me and another thought ,that forum is way weaker than fp ,nobody talks about anything interesting but their worship and devotion for propellerheads ,I swear its like a cult over there.smh
Xabiton
Cupcake God
that is very true. its hard to say anything subjective about Reason over there. I dont see that so much here. Just a lot of disagreement. Hell I got flamed in a thread there because I have my hardware listed in my sig and people were saying wtf u got that stuff for you dont need it you got reason. The thread wasnt even about that.
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Im a registered Reason user and I have been roasted there more than once. Often time for no reason at all.
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if its a .5 update that means its free lol
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dabeatdoctor1989
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My point exactly ,thats why I don't even post there ,its like everything has to be praise to their software ,a few times cool but they take it to another level and its beyond annoying.
Xabiton
Cupcake God
what product forums arent like that though? Cakewalk is. Cubase is. Im sure Ableton is though I havent been on in years. It was last time I was on. I have never been on the FL forums but I can only imagine the shrine that site has become due to how FP was say 5 - 6 years ago when it was full of FL fan boys. It comes with the territory.
DiaboliC
New member
I remember those days Xabition
I couldn't stand FL users at all
I couldn't stand FL users at all
DaNOC
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LOL ^^^ that is funny lol
mrgibbs
New member
im going to say this again if you dont like the reason update dont' purchase and continue to use exactly what you been using. the updates won't make anyone music better. including mine. they put a lot of tools in place for alot of workflow enhancements. but want more devices than workflow enhancement go out and spend your money on vst and 3rd party plugins and stop complaining. first the complaints went from the reason upgrade to the forums lol. i mean like dog if you dont like something don't use it. its that simple can we please get back to the software itself. this thread is going elsewhere now. you guys want the whole world in reason, now lets say the props do that and compromise there stability you going to complain and say "reason aint as stable as used to be i like the old reason better". cats is going to be backtracking statements left and right. you already know what reason has to offer the same way you know what every other daw on the market has to offer. use your brain and get creative. i love logic, i love cubase, i love them all for seperate reasons. you guys need to do the same and stop crying.
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neverenoughfunk
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just curious...
what did you guys that swear by reason use before: Dr. OctxRex, Blocks, Nuptune, Sampling Input and Kong...
when we talk about the Record/Reason update not everyone uses this combination the same. it also seems like "most" in this thread own Reason and/or Record and use it. the same way individuals believe that this is a "geat" update there are other who do not and are disappointed. i feel we have the right to be disappointed and voice our opinion just like the ones who "love" the update.
where some thinks that the Record/Reason workflow is straight forward i think it is allot of work to get what you want to do done. not all Reason users are sound designers. there are some individuals who just want to sit down and make music without all the clicking around in the app.
lets look at each major update:
Dr. OctoRex - there are some who never used Dr. REX therefore this update would not be so great to this type of individual. if you are Dr. Rex user this update must be "great".
Blocks - in theory Blocks is a nice feature but there are tons of hip hop producers that take a 4 or 8 bar loops of the drums, bass, etc parts and copy these loops for the entire song and delete clips for the drops and build ups. so in this case it may be better to cut/paste these parts than us the Block function.
Neptune - the T-Pain effect is damn near dead. how many producers/beatmakers actually record vocals. what did an individual use before Neptune. i know there are some creative ways to use Neptune but in how many songs/tunes can you actually use that/those effects.
Sampling IN - not every Reason user samples therefore this feature only caters to samplist.
Kong - there are going to be some who will really utilize Kong but "i" feel most will just use presets or download other individuals patches for Kong.
from my point of view to some these updates may be "great" but to others they are a little disappointed. there are individuals that have decided to sell their copy of Reason/Record because the update was not what they thought was coming down the pipe.
again, it comes down to preference. what an individual prefer.
personally reason/record is ideal to load onto a lappy and use a scratch pad tool. to others it may be their full production setup. who to say who is right or wrong on how they will use a product.
in conclusion, if an individual thinks X product is "great" and want to voice their opinion about it that is cool. i also think that individuals who are no so keen with a product has a right to voice their opinions too. in other words agree to disagree.
i think if you do own Reason 4 you should update whether you like or not. as musician/producers/beatmakers as a community we should support innovative companies because by supporting them it makes the other companies step up to the plate...
in other words we all win...
what did you guys that swear by reason use before: Dr. OctxRex, Blocks, Nuptune, Sampling Input and Kong...
when we talk about the Record/Reason update not everyone uses this combination the same. it also seems like "most" in this thread own Reason and/or Record and use it. the same way individuals believe that this is a "geat" update there are other who do not and are disappointed. i feel we have the right to be disappointed and voice our opinion just like the ones who "love" the update.
where some thinks that the Record/Reason workflow is straight forward i think it is allot of work to get what you want to do done. not all Reason users are sound designers. there are some individuals who just want to sit down and make music without all the clicking around in the app.
lets look at each major update:
Dr. OctoRex - there are some who never used Dr. REX therefore this update would not be so great to this type of individual. if you are Dr. Rex user this update must be "great".
Blocks - in theory Blocks is a nice feature but there are tons of hip hop producers that take a 4 or 8 bar loops of the drums, bass, etc parts and copy these loops for the entire song and delete clips for the drops and build ups. so in this case it may be better to cut/paste these parts than us the Block function.
Neptune - the T-Pain effect is damn near dead. how many producers/beatmakers actually record vocals. what did an individual use before Neptune. i know there are some creative ways to use Neptune but in how many songs/tunes can you actually use that/those effects.
Sampling IN - not every Reason user samples therefore this feature only caters to samplist.
Kong - there are going to be some who will really utilize Kong but "i" feel most will just use presets or download other individuals patches for Kong.
from my point of view to some these updates may be "great" but to others they are a little disappointed. there are individuals that have decided to sell their copy of Reason/Record because the update was not what they thought was coming down the pipe.
again, it comes down to preference. what an individual prefer.
personally reason/record is ideal to load onto a lappy and use a scratch pad tool. to others it may be their full production setup. who to say who is right or wrong on how they will use a product.
in conclusion, if an individual thinks X product is "great" and want to voice their opinion about it that is cool. i also think that individuals who are no so keen with a product has a right to voice their opinions too. in other words agree to disagree.
i think if you do own Reason 4 you should update whether you like or not. as musician/producers/beatmakers as a community we should support innovative companies because by supporting them it makes the other companies step up to the plate...
in other words we all win...
mrgibbs
New member
i was using reason, record, recycle, logic, pro tools, audacity whatever i needed to to get the job done i have no time to complain when im getting paid for my work. these cats just love to complain.
DiaboliC
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Exactly ^ while your complaining about software I'm using it
And making music
You kids should go all hardware like old hardware and then come back to computers
You would never complain again
And making music
You kids should go all hardware like old hardware and then come back to computers
You would never complain again
mrgibbs
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^^^ exactly my brother exactly. most of us that don't complain come from that era of making music so we appreciate what we have. you can make music without clicking aroudn in the app just get refills for your sounds and go in. i can make at 5 beats a day no problem some days its 3 but normally its 5. the thing with me is when i first started i used to complain, and it was because of my lack of knowledge and lack of skill, so what i did i bought books, i read tons of books on music piano skill, music theory all of that not just the web. i actually went out and printed the pdf file of reason and record just to get a better understanding of things. because software was different from hardware for me when i first started in the software game, reason was my first piece of software so for me its sacred. like most people who first equipment was the mpc. all the stuff i wanted to do i realized i can do in reason as far as music was concerned now vocals was a different story. once i realized i coudl record vocals in reason or sample directly into reason i went a different route and still incorporated it with reason. reason is just like hardware turn it on it just works no bugs or nothing to workout . just make music and have fun. i think people got more wrapped up in the technical side of things instead of making music. now some people say don't have time to sound design. sound designing is part of making music, that why you have tons of people asking all these thread how did you make a certain sound. as soon as you turn a know whether its a release, attack or decay that's sound designing.but you know cats need to really look at what they have before complaining.
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neverenoughfunk
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first thing individuals need to understand is people have different work flows.
how much time do you put into your keyboard skills?
can you play any of the hanon exercises (both hands)?
in all the keys (both hands)?
how about play all the different modes with both hands in all keys?
do you need to play to be able to create/write a song?
NO!!!!
but there are some who enjoy the musicianship more than features...
where some individuals design sounds there are other who enjoy the art of musicianship and use their apps strictly as a tool to get their musicianship across...
what i find is individuals are insecure about their setups (need acceptance) and actual musicianship skills. they can talk all day about this app and those features but the actual musicianship (imo) is more important than what setup an individual has.
mr. gibb you have 100 GB of refill that you seem to be proud of, well i use dedicate sample libraries. if i want bass there is trilian. if i want drums there is stylus rmx. if i want synth there is omnisphere, horns chris hein horn vol I/II/garritan jazz & big band, guitar there is electri6ty, string EWQL/GPO, etc...
is my setup the best in the world?
NO!!!
it is the setup for me. not too much mousing around compared to Reason/Record (imo)...
the key to all this music sh!t is understanding your tools. individuals prefer different tools, different manufacturers, etc. if you like Reason/Record and can design sound that is great but just because these things excite you does not mean that it has to excite the next man. what excites is that groove, harmony and melody. if my tools helps me get my ideas across i am a happy camper. the same way you are happy with your tools...
where as large sample based instruments are not for some the same hold true for Dr. OctoRex, Blocks, Neptuen,Sampling Input and Kong...
the point is who is to say who is right?
use what you have/like and make it happen...
a pretty simple concept if you ask me....
p.s. i still think recording vsti live into Record is ass backward...
how much time do you put into your keyboard skills?
can you play any of the hanon exercises (both hands)?
in all the keys (both hands)?
how about play all the different modes with both hands in all keys?
do you need to play to be able to create/write a song?
NO!!!!
but there are some who enjoy the musicianship more than features...
where some individuals design sounds there are other who enjoy the art of musicianship and use their apps strictly as a tool to get their musicianship across...
what i find is individuals are insecure about their setups (need acceptance) and actual musicianship skills. they can talk all day about this app and those features but the actual musicianship (imo) is more important than what setup an individual has.
mr. gibb you have 100 GB of refill that you seem to be proud of, well i use dedicate sample libraries. if i want bass there is trilian. if i want drums there is stylus rmx. if i want synth there is omnisphere, horns chris hein horn vol I/II/garritan jazz & big band, guitar there is electri6ty, string EWQL/GPO, etc...
is my setup the best in the world?
NO!!!
it is the setup for me. not too much mousing around compared to Reason/Record (imo)...
the key to all this music sh!t is understanding your tools. individuals prefer different tools, different manufacturers, etc. if you like Reason/Record and can design sound that is great but just because these things excite you does not mean that it has to excite the next man. what excites is that groove, harmony and melody. if my tools helps me get my ideas across i am a happy camper. the same way you are happy with your tools...
where as large sample based instruments are not for some the same hold true for Dr. OctoRex, Blocks, Neptuen,Sampling Input and Kong...
the point is who is to say who is right?
use what you have/like and make it happen...
a pretty simple concept if you ask me....
p.s. i still think recording vsti live into Record is ass backward...
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