propellerheads are soon gonna announce something new/ The Reason 5 thread

[Xabiton]

WORD...

i'm actually waiting to for the Propellerhead Record Power! BOOK to drop...supposed to have dropped a few days ago, but got delayed for some reason...

another thing i've noticed....

FP has BLOWN UP over the recent announcement of Rs v.5 & Rc v.1.5...MORE THAN ANY OTHER SOFTWARE UPDATE...

why does props seemingly get more "props" than any other company when it comes to new versions / updates???

if u havent noticed its the same 5 people talking about it all day long lol. It also helps that I have been directing everyone who makes a Reason 5 thread anywhere on FP to this thread. I personally find those Power books to be a waste of money all of the info in them is already printed in the pdf manual that comes with the programs for free. I bought Reason Power for version 3 and was pissed.

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This thread has got too much fanboyism to the point where its disgusting ,I understand you like a certain set of tools but dang lets be honest this update looks more like Reason 4.5 than 5.0, it looks like a update that they just started working on in the beginning of this year instead of an update they started right after Reason 4. I mean it seriously looks like a last minute update to cash in, there should have been way more effects plugins or at least all the effects from the synths as separate modules in Reason plus a few more ,with native beat slicing and sample chopping and time-stretch. Plus a real step sequencer and 64-bit and midi out, but I'm foreal this fanboyism is not whats helping Props out in the long run ,it's like the "yes man" telling you your stuff is hotter than it is when in fact its not that hot ,this type of stuff is keeping them stagnant and complacent in their comfort zone. I know very talented cats that stopped using Reason because it no longer was an attractive option with all the other choices of software out these days.

And don't tell me "your not creative enough to use Reason" or "this is not for you" or "we don't need these features" because I simply will respond by asking to hear your music ,because trust me if you have used Reason a long time and your making some respectable stuff and tired of doing "convoluted workarounds" then you will feel me ,people say limitations allow for creativity ,well thats the opposite for me now ,I have been making beats to the point where alot of features will not overwhelm me anymore. Again I like Reason and all but lets be honest here.

To be honest I love this update. Not everyone needs all of the things you are mentioning though. A lot of people are simply using Reason alone and making the most out of it. Will those features make anyone's music better? I don't think so and sure it might make some things easier but they are not really a NEED! No fanboyism on my part just an honest assessment. Now for your assessment to have any worth to it you would have had to use Reason 5. Have you? This update has improved my workflow a lot. Especially with onboard sampling, the sample editor and Kong. Now I just sample a loop into Reason on pad one in Kong copy it to a couple of pads and edit each sample individually just like i would on my Mpc.

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I cant agree with you at all, Audio in Reason is not a 4.5 feature...for reason users that's a huge update. Kong is not a 4.5 addition, something like that is not an update you give users for free. Blocks is a total work flow enhancement, its not candidate for a free update. Not a fan boy at all because I use a lot of different products in my studio, Reason is just one of them. I've been using reason for about 7 years now, I know the product pretty well, its not perfect and never will be. Someone will always have a different concept of how it could be better. I would say that if you cant find something positive from this update then you are being closed minded.

exactly

 

[mrgibbs]

its the same people aright out of those 5 complainers one is register user as well. and trust me i looked all throughout the board to confirm.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

The problem is some folk can use things, love them, and still see flaws while loving it so much they want simple things adressed for perfection.

Others are so bullheaded they think they know something everyone else doesn't or love the product more because they're complacent.

So is it more negative of an approach to want more, or be complacent?

We wouldn't be in the thread if we weren't fans of Reason. I'm told more often than not that I can make Reason do things others can't. I've got one of the most in demand Mastering templates for Reason, even been told that folk use it in ReCord.

I push limits with this sh*t daily.

I have the right to feel things are missing from it. We all do. If you don't know the ins and outs of the program how do you know what is/isn't missing from it? And some of you are saying it does shyt it doesn't which means folk speaking on the limitations may be a little more experienced in those areas than folk saying they're not there.

Just sayin.

I give a f**k either way. I'm getting the Reason 5/Record 1,5 combo upgrade because it's a good deal. Nothing impressive, but as a Reason user, I upgrade yearly. I still miss the sequencer from 3 because I'm such a fan i can tell you auto coloring of duplicate tracks and the ability to add notes in realtime playback with mouse clicks we a big part of my workflow that is now missing! I'll prolly never even open Record. Tried it, hate the GUI, didn't like the overall sound, and have Pro Tools and plugs I invested in that I can do without in the beat making process from start to finish, but need for engineering an entire song. If you can't respect that, you have no business calling yourself an engineer. No program can do everything, but you're gonna prefer one to another. Pro Tools is my preferred recording/engineering tool. What did you do up till now when a client wanted Autotune? What about audio restoration tools like Noise Cancellation? Advanced delay techniques?

We all use things differently. No one has the right to think anyone has a "right" or "wrong" technique and have not right to want more or be complacent.

I'm cool w/using only Reason for beats like I was once cool with only using an MPC 2000XL with 16mb ram to make beats. Like I was once cool only using an MC303 Groovebox to make beats. Like i was once cool using an Alesis SR-16, $99 Casio Keyboard, and 1 button Gemni Samplee hooked up to a Fostex 8 track to make beats. Hell, Like I was once cool using only MTV Music Generator on PS1 to make beats. That don't mean any of these things I was cool with were perfect and above critique. Reason is no different.

And i'll still be more excited about ReCycle 3 if they include MP3, WMV, ect. import and REAL timestretch to tempo.

You dudes overprotective like you programmed the shyt. This ain't windows 7 and it won't your idea, lol.

Not meant to start beef. Just needs to be said.

 

[kb420]

How many moderators does this forum have?

 

[DaNOC]

Wow great post yallz.

 

[mrgibbs]

The problem is some folk can use things, love them, and still see flaws while loving it so much they want simple things adressed for perfection.

Others are so bullheaded they think they know something everyone else doesn't or love the product more because they're complacent.

So is it more negative of an approach to want more, or be complacent?

We wouldn't be in the thread if we weren't fans of Reason. I'm told more often than not that I can make Reason do things others can't. I've got one of the most in demand Mastering templates for Reason, even been told that folk use it in ReCord.

I push limits with this sh*t daily.

I have the right to feel things are missing from it. We all do. If you don't know the ins and outs of the program how do you know what is/isn't missing from it? And some of you are saying it does shyt it doesn't which means folk speaking on the limitations may be a little more experienced in those areas than folk saying they're not there.

Just sayin.

I give a f**k either way. I'm getting the Reason 5/Record 1,5 combo upgrade because it's a good deal. Nothing impressive, but as a Reason user, I upgrade yearly. I still miss the sequencer from 3 because I'm such a fan i can tell you auto coloring of duplicate tracks and the ability to add notes in realtime playback with mouse clicks we a big part of my workflow that is now missing! I'll prolly never even open Record. Tried it, hate the GUI, didn't like the overall sound, and have Pro Tools and plugs I invested in that I can do without in the beat making process from start to finish, but need for engineering an entire song. If you can't respect that, you have no business calling yourself an engineer. No program can do everything, but you're gonna prefer one to another. Pro Tools is my preferred recording/engineering tool. What did you do up till now when a client wanted Autotune? What about audio restoration tools like Noise Cancellation? Advanced delay techniques?

We all use things differently. No one has the right to think anyone has a "right" or "wrong" technique and have not right to want more or be complacent.

I'm cool w/using only Reason for beats like I was once cool with only using an MPC 2000XL with 16mb ram to make beats. Like I was once cool only using an MC303 Groovebox to make beats. Like i was once cool using an Alesis SR-16, $99 Casio Keyboard, and 1 button Gemni Samplee hooked up to a Fostex 8 track to make beats. Hell, Like I was once cool using only MTV Music Generator on PS1 to make beats. That don't mean any of these things I was cool with were perfect and above critique. Reason is no different.

And i'll still be more excited about ReCycle 3 if they include MP3, WMV, ect. import and REAL timestretch to tempo.

You dudes overprotective like you programmed the shyt. This ain't windows 7 and it won't your idea, lol.

Not meant to start beef. Just needs to be said.

your post is well respected. alot more respected than others but like you said when a client requested autotune i would open up pro tools, or logic or cubase i have my choice. the problem that i have is alot of these users have other choices as well and they openly admitted it. so what with all the complaints if you have all of the other tools. my thing is reason can do what i need it to then i go another route but doesn't mean i bash reason. that like bashing the mpc because it's not a triton. or bashing a ssl because its doesnt have the same features as a harrison board. all of these software are different there are some features in logic that has never been in pro tools and vice versa but you dont see a million and one people complain like they do with reason. reason is in its own lane people dont want it to be in its own lane they want to compare it with every other software on the market. yet it has the least amount of features but everyone talks about it more than any other daw. that says alot about the software itself. props must be doing something right.

 

[say it terror]

nice post deranged. agree with most of it. especially the first line which i think is especially true. there is a difference between somebody who uses a product and loves it, yet can still see the flaws and a person who loves a product so much that they become a rabid fanboy who relentlessly defend the product.

the only thing i disagree with is recycle 3 having true time stretching. that isn't the point of recycle at all. recycle isn't a time stretching program. load up a break in recycle, slice it up, now load it into the dr. rex. when you send it to the track you are not sending an audio clip to the track. you are sending midi notes. the slices that you made in recycle dictate what sound will be triggered and when. recycle isn't really a time stretching tool at all.

 

[Focused]

I have no problem with people seeing flaws in products. I work in the Music instruments industry, we must see flaws in order to improve products. I do see a problem with people that cannot work beyond flaws and find creative solutions to flaws and shortcoming. All products in existence have shortcoming but I cant say that any of the products that are out today are incapacitated to the extent of being unusable. I think when people become that extreme with their criticism, it becomes more destructive. The point here is to build.

 

[DaNOC]

. I think when people become that extreme with their criticism, it becomes more destructive. The point here is to build.

Exactly and one word sums that up!


NEGATIVE!

 

[_SG_]

I have the right to feel things are missing from it. We all do. If you don't know the ins and outs of the program how do you know what is/isn't missing from it? And some of you are saying it does shyt it doesn't which means folk speaking on the limitations may be a little more experienced in those areas than folk saying they're not there.

Just sayin.

You dudes overprotective like you programmed the shyt. This ain't

Man you just hatin' man, so I'm gonna disregard most of your post and only focus on the things I want to argue with you about because I have a very narrow point of perspective and have already chosen my side. So yeah man, you just hatin' on reason, why don't you go to protools and play with your cpu hogging VSTs.

 

[mrgibbs]

Hahahahaa that was funny.

 

[say it terror]

it really wasn't funny. tbh it was kind of retarded.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

your post is well respected. alot more respected than others but like you said when a client requested autotune i would open up pro tools, or logic or cubase i have my choice. the problem that i have is alot of these users have other choices as well and they openly admitted it. so what with all the complaints if you have all of the other tools. my thing is reason can do what i need it to then i go another route but doesn't mean i bash reason. that like bashing the mpc because it's not a triton. or bashing a ssl because its doesnt have the same features as a harrison board. all of these software are different there are some features in logic that has never been in pro tools and vice versa but you dont see a million and one people complain like they do with reason. reason is in its own lane people dont want it to be in its own lane they want to compare it with every other software on the market. yet it has the least amount of features but everyone talks about it more than any other daw. that says alot about the software itself. props must be doing something right.

I think people's frustration comes from loving only using Reason but missing out on things they feel are simplistic. Especially when they feel they're essential tools for what they do. I can't say they're right or wrong, but I can say it's justified. You come to have expectations of a company. Props rarely let's me down because I know what to expect. But people will always want more.

If this update was nothing but more colors in the sequencer, a few new synth patches, and a screensaver, I'd be cool with it. Nothing is blowing my mind about it, but it is new tools for a program I love. I just hope they didn't change anything while adding onto it, and I'll be happy.

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I have no problem with people seeing flaws in products. I work in the Music instruments industry, we must see flaws in order to improve products. I do see a problem with people that cannot work beyond flaws and find creative solutions to flaws and shortcoming. All products in existence have shortcoming but I cant say that any of the products that are out today are incapacitated to the extent of being unusable. I think when people become that extreme with their criticism, it becomes more destructive. The point here is to build.

Totally agree. But this is an open discussion on the web. People are gonna disagree/agree with strong overtones rather than accepting opinions.

But this quote is pretty much on point.

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Man you just hatin' man, so I'm gonna disregard most of your post and only focus on the things I want to argue with you about because I have a very narrow point of perspective and have already chosen my side. So yeah man, you just hatin' on reason, why don't you go to protools and play with your cpu hogging VSTs.

I use a Mac, i have no idea of what CPU hogging is, must be a PC thing.....







































Too soon? I been on a Mac like what? 2 weeks or so now?

 

[mrgibbs]

in todays time what software is really mind blowing these days. with what about these days you can do anything with music. these days im not mind blow'd by anything really.

 

[_SG_]

I use a Mac, i have no idea of what CPU hogging is, must be a PC thing.....

Well uhh techincally *snorts, pushes up glasses* any modern piece technology has to sort out it's computational duties and prioritize them accord-- Oh wait, that was a joke.

Not funny, to be honest it was rather retardedederer.

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these days im not mind blow'd by anything really.

How about this?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8fYB7m-PR8

 

[DaNOC]

I use a Mac, i have no idea of what CPU hogging is, must be a PC thing.....


Too soon? I been on a Mac like what? 2 weeks or so now?

:rofl:Wow that was to cool lol all you need now is the leather coat fling it in the air, turn around and walk away like Shaft lol hahah :rofl:

 

[Xabiton]

Who said it was ,the features I stated would not make Reason a Daw ,if you can use Record with it...more power to you ,to answer your question ,lack of variety of effects....hardware keyboards usually come with alot of different effects ,and midi out ,those are my only complaints since you said Reason 5 can chop samples and time stretch.

It sounds to me like you really want Reason to be more like a piece of hardware. I feel you I used to want the same thing. It took me a while to come to the realization that Reason is Reason and no matter how hard I try to make it like something else its just not it. After that I became very very satisfied with Reason. True it does not have the things the other daws do but really how many features do you need before you say ok I am just going to make some music. You have been using Reason for a while now if it is such a bad product why haven't you switched it up? I am far from a fanboy I didn't even like the Reason 4 upgrade like that. It didn't excite me much so I kinda get how you are feeling but I think youll appreciate this more for what it is after you get the update. Also the fx are good enough to get the job done. Its not like the fx are hindering people from making good music.

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If you used a lot of the old hardware back in the day, you really appreciate all the possibilities something like Reason offers. It used to be so much harder.

A men to that. Anyone who says Reason is limited doesn't truly know what a limitation is. Make a full album on a mpc 60 II and then get back to me about limitations lol

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You dudes overprotective like you programmed the shyt. This ain't windows 7 and it won't your idea, lol.

Not meant to start beef. Just needs to be said.

but I have wanted blocks, somethign like kong and live sampling into Reason for years and have requested it on the site more than once. So it was my idea lol

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How many moderators does this forum have?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

---------- Post added at 06:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:48 PM ----------

I have no problem with people seeing flaws in products. I work in the Music instruments industry, we must see flaws in order to improve products. I do see a problem with people that cannot work beyond flaws and find creative solutions to flaws and shortcoming. All products in existence have shortcoming but I cant say that any of the products that are out today are incapacitated to the extent of being unusable. I think when people become that extreme with their criticism, it becomes more destructive. The point here is to build.

agreed. There is no one perfect product out there. If there was everyone would use it. Reason is Reason other music programs are other music programs. You kinda use what works best for you.

 

[DaNOC]

A men to that. Anyone who says Reason is limited doesn't truly know what a limitation is. Make a full album on a mpc 60 II and then get back to me about limitations lol
.

LOL :rofl: Wow, no comment lol

 

[dabeatdoctor1989]

Post from someone else on another forum.ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hilariously true...
"although i still don't understand the overwhelming bad feeling that a lot of people have towards reason i must say that i absolutely hate the bastards that are the reason fanboys. has anybody here ever been over to the propellerheads forums? what a bunch of **** smokers. attempting to have a discussion over there is impossible."

 

[DiaboliC]

All programs are not mind blowing none

Live reason pro tools logic fl studio none are
Mind blowing to me at all

If I can I'd go back to my mpc 4000 and motif combo
Or mv8000 and Fantom x combo
But broke these days lmao

Hardware is amazing to me software is
Just back up lmao