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kb420 said:
I disagree. I like designing sounds too. What I don't understand is why limit your sound design to just Reason, or just vst's?????

Why not layer them both?????:):)
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I guess, there are people who are already contented on what they can do with their tools, and adding something new to them, would just doesn't make sense to their workflow. Also the CPU part, plays a big deal when it comes to VST also. And layering VSTs is really a CPU hogfest. And that's why some people stay in Reason.

I use Live and Reason, and the only VST synth that I use is Sylenth and some lite freebies. So that CPU overload and crashes is not my problem. I just don't wanna gamble. :)
 
neverenoughfunk said:
i have own Reason since version one too and know what is available in Reason...

i have looked under the hood of different types of combinator too..

grab a 6:2 mixer add a few sound devices with efx inserted and play with the the envolopes and filters. there is also a send on the 6:2 mixer.

if i spend time at it i could create sounds too...


what is the big deal?
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you just said the basic how good are you with cv routing and know what cv connections and what effect will happen how good are you with creating synths in thor. for you to say what's big deal leads me to believe that you doing the basics when combining sounds im not i tweak every knobs on these devices i'm routing cables to my needs. i love that feature i make more than just hip hop music in other genre of music doing those things is must.

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chelemasty said:
I guess, there are people who are already contented on what they can do with their tools, and adding something new to them, would just doesn't make sense to their workflow. Also the CPU part, plays a big deal when it comes to VST also. And layering VSTs is really a CPU hogfest. And that's why some people stay in Reason.

I use Live and Reason, and the only VST synth that I use is Sylenth and some lite freebies. So that CPU overload and crashes is not my problem. I just don't wanna gamble. :)
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cpu hogfest is the biggest complaint for some vst they hog cpu and the sound isn't that incredible.
 
chelemasty said:
I guess, there are people who are already contented on what they can do with their tools, and adding something new to them, would just doesn't make sense to their workflow. Also the CPU part, plays a big deal when it comes to VST also. And layering VSTs is really a CPU hogfest. And that's why some people stay in Reason.

I use Live and Reason, and the only VST synth that I use is Sylenth and some lite freebies. So that CPU overload and crashes is not my problem. I just don't wanna gamble. :)
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Well when I work in Reason, everything is Combinator. When I work in Live, everything is a Rack. So layering Reason and vst's doesn't hurt my workflow.
 
mrgibbs said:
because alot of those sounds are there to show you what you can do with the devices that are in front you. with your statment you pretty much let me know your a preset user. im into writing songs arranging and mixing. so you mean to tell that if you looking for a new sound you rather go look for new vst or preset somewhere else rather than create your own sound. do you realize that alot music probably majority of music is tweaked to a desired sound.
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yes, if i want a grand piano sound i am going to acoutik piano or ewql piano. if i want a electric piano i am going to electik piano of lounge lizard, i want bass i going to trilian and so on. if that is a preset user then i am one. i know my vsti like you know sound design...

you are not the only person that knows what a filters or envelopes are and what they do.

i have a command over my vsti. i have spent enough time with them to know what is available in them...
 
mrgibbs said:
cpu hogfest is the biggest complaint for some vst they hog cpu and the sound isn't that incredible.
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That depends on what vst's you are using, in both respects (sound and cpu usage). I love Reason, but I love my vst's too.
 
neverenoughfunk said:
yes, if i want a grand piano sound i am going to acoutik piano or ewql piano. if i want a electric piano i am going to electik piano of lounge lizard, i want bass i going to trilian and so on. if that is a preset user then i am one. i know my vsti like you know sound design...

you are not the only person that knows what a filters or envelopes are and what they do.

i have a command over my vsti. i have spent enough time with them to know what is available in them...
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i have all of the pianos in reason, tons of them. over 3000 pianos at my finger tips. if i want a real bass i have my electric bass refill which is top notch, if i want a piano i have my reason piano refills and more , i want a synth i have my stock synth in reason and my million and one refills of synths. if i want a vintage sound i have my triton, motif, fantom, mo phatt, planet phatt, roland 5080, tirology refills. if i need drums i have mashine drum libray, battery 3 library.motu ethno instrument loops and i can use logic sounds in reason now too i figured that out too., tons of drums loops, recycle loops, now i can sample from hardware keyboard and make patches in minutes and make them all refills . you can't be serious dogg. i didn't name half of my refills that just the 0.1% of what i have, not counting miroslav, some crazy electric guitar refills.
 
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mrgibbs said:
you just said the basic how good are you with cv routing and know what cv connections and what effect will happen how good are you with creating synths in thor. for you to say what's big deal leads me to believe that you doing the basics when combining sounds im not i tweak every knobs on these devices i'm routing cables to my needs. i love that feature i make more than just hip hop music in other genre of music doing those things is must.
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if you want to be a cv routing expert that is cool with me...

i do not want to tweak every knob. i want to find a nice chord progression, then a groove that sit right underneath it and last but not least that melody...

i rather sit down at a piano and play than turn some knobs...
 
Hey mrgibbs, you like to talk about how vst's are cpu hogs. Well to be perfectly honest the reason that I went and updated my computer that last time wasn't because of problems with a vst. It was actually because a certain Reason file brought my computer to it's knees. This was when Reason 4 first came out, and here is the Reason file.

http://uploading.com/files/3mc87221/Trailersong.rps/

I don't have a problem at all running this on my quad, but my old computer had all kinds of glitches, drop outs, and basically did not want any part of this Reason song.

If you open it, I think you may recognize it:):):):)
 
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mrgibbs said:
i have all of the pianos in reason, tons of them. over 3000 pianos at my finger tips. if i want a real bass i have my electric bass refill which is top notch, if i want a piano i have my reason piano refills and more , i want a synth i have my stock synth in reason and my million and one refills of synths. if i want a vintage sound i have my triton, motif, fantom, mo phatt, planet phatt, roland 5080, tirology refills. if i need drums i have mashine drum libray, battery 3 library.motu ethno instrument loops and i can use logic sounds in reason now too i figured that out too., tons of drums loops, recycle loops, now i can sample from hardware keyboard and make patches in minutes and make them all refills . you can't be serious dogg. i didn't name half of my refills that just the 0.1% of what i have, not counting miroslav, some crazy electric guitar refills.
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it has been written that you have 100 GB of refills...

again, i have reason since version one. i also own some refills. i do not know how many GB but more than 20 GB. i own the Props Studio Combo (the best i have heard), gpo, sonic reality, sonic reality gold and some others. again, the Props Studio Combo are the best i have heard and the basses in that refill cant touch trilian, the keys cant touch acoustik piano or ewql piano...

i keep saying this but Reason samplers do not have scripting or keyswitch like all the vsti (kontakt, play, trilian, omnisphere) i use.

Reason samplers can not do what kontakt, play, trilian, omnisphere can do...

period...

if Reason had samplers like these (streaming from disk) then the game would be over...

but it does not..
 
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well.. I prefer vsts over refills..
just the visual aspect of it is more appealing to me..

I have access to over 100gigs of refills... but I would still take vsts over it anyday

battery 3 is an amazing pluggin, yeah mr gibbs may have the whole battery 3 library as a refill.. but do you have the actual battery 3 sampler?

that thing is amazing
 
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vsti are only a cpu hog if you do not own a modern machine...

i.e. on the pc side i7 920 (or better) 64-bit 9 GB of DDR3 ram (or better)
cant talk about a mac do not own one...

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the cpu consumption issue is another reason why Reason/Record combo is a "great deal"...

you can get an acer lappy from bestbuy for $500 and never run out of power...
 
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neverenoughfunk said:
vsti are only a cpu hog if you do not own a modern machine...

i.e. on the pc side i7 920 (or better) 64-bit 9 GB of DDR3 ram (or better)
cant talk about a mac do not own one...

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the cpu consumption issue is another reason why Reason/Record combo is a "great deal"...

you can get an acer lappy from bestbuy for $500 and never run out of power...
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I always though the combo was great because you could conserve power by bouncing racks down to audio with that combo and continue working.
 
Focused said:
I always though the combo was great because you could conserve power by bouncing racks down to audio with that combo and continue working.
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i hate bouncing...

plus, my workflow is jamming. i setup a matrix in ableton live of instrument (drums, bass, guitar, etc) and about 5 scene and try to full all the clips in the matrix with musical ideas. while i am going from clip to clip inputting my ideas i do not want to turn the sequencer off. i look to capture my performances and i want thse performances to be spontaneous.

bouncing interrupts the flow...

therefore a nice machine is needed...
 
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neverenoughfunk said:
vsti are only a cpu hog if you do not own a modern machine...

i.e. on the pc side i7 920 (or better) 64-bit 9 GB of DDR3 ram (or better)
cant talk about a mac do not own one...
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Yeah, I agree with you. But, this is what they also said back then when the maximum processor is only up to dual core. And now that dual core is the norm, a lot of PC and Mac users are complaining that it's not enough, so they upgraded into Quad Core. It's just a never ending upgrade when it comes to VST.

I'm not agains't VST coz I use them also, but they should make it lighter instead of heavier.
 
Lmao at Reason haters ima start a Reason vs Vsti thread and. Make kids put up or shut up

Anyway Reason 5 is amazing and can't wait to get it
 
chelemasty said:
Yeah, I agree with you. But, this is what they also said back then when the maximum processor is only up to dual core. And now that dual core is the norm, a lot of PC and Mac users are complaining that it's not enough, so they upgraded into Quad Core. It's just a never ending upgrade when it comes to VST.

I'm not agains't VST coz I use them also, but they should make it lighter instead of heavier.
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In my opinion, the technology available is light years ahead of the applications we use with them. That being said, the faster they make processors, the more programmers will attempt to make use of them.
 
Ok, I might get it for the kong thang, depending on what it looks like on the back side. Gotta have some nice cv routing.
 
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