"its a place for people of all skill level to share information and experience." For the heck of it, or to help each other improve? lol fool smh. You make a moot point, and with such audacity. Your defensiveness is so misdirected and ill founded that i don't even know what else to say.
"Everyone is entitled to any opinion." Point me to where I contradicted this.
I'm saying it would be nice if more people with larger skill sets, rather than so many beginners and people wanting traffic, frequented the feedback section. And buffoons like you get offended by this statement. LOL!!
(not directed to previous posters)
Clowns and such are part of an honourable profession that sits alongside that of the professional musician, in fact at one point in time if you were a professional musician you were also a professional clown/buffoon and travelling newsman so now that insults have been clarified on to some constructive statements.
I do not frequent the feedback section simply because it would occupy my entire life - if I offer one piece of great feedback I will be deluged with PMs and visitor messages from every other beginner wanting similar quality feedback on their "great tune", which in most cases would be undeserved. Better for me to stay out of it and provide the information and advice that I do in recording, composition, theory and acoustics with the odd hardware and software advice.
FP, like so many other sites, has become a pimp-my-tune site and a lot of traffic is about people wanting to be noticed. that's fine but I have enough to do in my life without nurturing every beginner that comes along.
(yes I know I sound like a rick with a silent P, but I truly cannot be bothered listening to yet another kanye or emimem or dre or drake wannabe)
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So, we can all agree that the feedback section is a huge mess. To go off post right above me, maybe we can set some rules for the forum. So if we want to be able to see what's what, people can add a tag (manually) to their posts. For example:
[sampled hip hop] check out this track I just made
[R&B] Worked with a new singer - looking for feedback
[Electronica] Experimenting with something new (title ******)
And if everyone is okay, we can close or remove threads that are not properly tagged.
etc...
This can be done manually. You can also make a few mods to the vBulletin code to allow those sorts of tags to be added from a drop-down menu. It would be selected and pre-pended to the title. Personally I used to go one step further and put a style tag and and member name tag when I was posting material for feedback on another nameless forum that also uses vBulletin, e.g [glitch][bandcoach], which tells people so much more than any title can
At least that can help us organize the forum a little more. Maybe restricting who can post new threads? So maybe if we have a minimum of 100 posts to be able to post a new thread in that forum. Though honestly, I don't know if that's possible. And it's also not up to me to make the final call; but we can definitely start some good, constructive dialog to get that forum in better shape.
There are no obstacles in vBulletin to setting up something like a minimum 100 post count for anyone.
In fact you can set up a logic based rule that requires 100 posts only in the feedback section to post a new thread in the feedback section.
You can then go further and create logic based rules that examine how many threads the poster has made, how many feedback posts have been made in threads other than their own and apply a sliding scale so that:
- 2nd thread requires 50 posts,
- 3rd requires 20 posts,
- 4th and subsequent requires 10 posts
So to get to a point where you can post your 5th tune you would need to have made 200 feedback posts unrelated to your own threads.
This reinforces the need to contribute feed for feed whilst rewarding those who are being proactive with lower limits to continue having their music assessed/critiqued/rubbished/what-have-you.
There will always be those opposed to the concept of limiting when people can post because it sucks, just like the 20 post limit to include links, but that becomes one of education and information not denial or suck it up responses.
We need practical ideas, like the ones I brought up. I'm not proposing these changes, but if enough people seem to be for a certain change, then we can see if it'd be possible to implement things. We don't want to exclude most of the users, what we want to do is, find out how we can include everyone, or mostly everyone, in a way that is productive.
Tagging is great. Sub-forums for genres might also be a better option in that you separate out wheat and chaff for individuals instead of scanning through one larger meta-thread - of course that is what the search function is for. It is easy enough to set up several standard searches that return all the posts in a thread with the required tags that have been added since your last visit.
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