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Hello again I got a question is it possible to hear a badly treated room if you never heard a good one I know anything is possible but I purchased a 28 peice aurolax set off of amazon and was reading up on placement and managed to get the echo out of my room but now everything seems so boomy and I dont think I could ever mix because in the back of my mind im thinking im not getting a true picture I have a set of krk6s I know what some people will say get better speakers but I just cant I have them on a set of stands in the corner I know another no no but once again something I gotta work with is there any way of testing your room to see if it has 2 much of a certain frequency and how to get my room to the point I can mix with a sense of comfort my room is 8 ftW by 16 ftL.
 
Hello again I got a question is it possible to hear a badly treated room if you never heard a good one I know anything is possible but I purchased a 28 peice aurolax set off of amazon and was reading up on placement and managed to get the echo out of my room but now everything seems so boomy and I dont think I could ever mix because in the back of my mind im thinking im not getting a true picture I have a set of krk6s I know what some people will say get better speakers but I just cant I have them on a set of stands in the corner I know another no no but once again something I gotta work with is there any way of testing your room to see if it has 2 much of a certain frequency and how to get my room to the point I can mix with a sense of comfort my room is 8 ftW by 16 ftL.

buying and applying before you know what needs treatment is never a good idea

to provide you a with a reasonable analysis of your rooms resonances we also need height

I'll come back at you a with a set of fundamental room resonances (there will be more that appear at integer (whole number) multiples of these basic resonances) once I have your heights
 
buying and applying before you know what needs treatment is never a good idea

to provide you a with a reasonable analysis of your rooms resonances we also need height

I'll come back at you a with a set of fundamental room resonances (there will be more that appear at integer (whole number) multiples of these basic resonances) once I have your heights


I would agree with Bandcoach. Most reputable acoustic companies will offer you free advice before you purchase to ensure that what you are buying actually meets your needs.
Trouble with just foam is that they really do not perform so well at lower frequencies so therefore your bass is not being treated.

Room plan with dimensions would be a great start. Photos too if you have them
 
Yeah, you are gonna have to get a microphone to analyze your room.

In short, the mixing position is where you should get a true representation of the sound from the speakers.

There is something called 'room modes' where there can be a particular dip or boost in frequencies due to phase cancelation/reflections.

No one can ever have a perfect room, but there are many ways to improve the sound quality to get the best representation of whats actually being played from the monitors.

You need to treat your room correctly first (early reflections, flutter echos, bass buildup in corners).

You can actually over-treat your room and make is sound dead so be careful how much and where your place your treatment.

Then you need 'room correction eq'.

A good mixing level is around 83db.

So get a mic to use as a decibel meter (if you cant afford one there are a few iphone apps that might do the trick) to measure how loud the sound is from your speakers to your mix position (should be around 83db consistently).

Then do a full sweep of pink noise from 20hz to 20,000hz and measure the low, low mid, mid, high mid, and highs with the decibel meter.

In a perfect room, each frequency you play would show up on the decibel meter at 83db, but in your room, when you scan through all the frequencies from the mix position, your decibel meter will show you how loud each frequency is from that particular mix position.

You will be surprised when you see your low end at about 60hz may be building up in your room at about 95db and your mids may be dipping down to 65db... so with corrective eq you would adjust each frequency so you are hearing all off them at roughly the same level (83db is a very common mix level).

I will be posting some longer posts going in depth with room correction, i just dont have much time now.

Hopefully you got something out of this.
 
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the problem with doing the room correction with eq is that you are actually changing what you hear before it gets to your speakers.

You need to analyse the room in terms of predicted resonances, then analyse the room using a reference/calibration microphone (something that can actually go all the way down below 20Hz and above 15kHz, which the mics in an iPhone just cannot do).

From these two sets of measurements (predicted and actual), you can develop a profile of what needs to be trapped, what needs to be diffused and what needs to be left alone

see this article on the subject

sound proofing versus sound treatment
 
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I missed that one, but that is spl in the room, not in the daw - 83dbspl@1m/1W is normal - it is 23db above ambient noise environment during the day (or 200 x as loud as the background noise which is not as much as it seems) and some 43db above night time ambient environmental noise (some 20 000 x as loud, again not as much as it seems)
 
Yea I need a mic the height of my room is about 12 ft I have carpet on the floor but I was told unless I spent alot of money on bass traps or build them myself they wont do much good. Does it have to be a good mic? Or can I purchase one from radio shack for $20 and use that. And on the back of my monitors I have a HP switch -1 -2 should I set that to anything to help with the lowend or should I keep it at -0 I cant really hear any difference when I switch it on
 
so I worry that the height that you have given is accurate, but will go with it for now

HeightWidthLengthSpeed of Sound
12'8'16'1130'/s
Volume1536cubic feet
Axial Modes
DimensionHWL
Frequency47.08 Hz70.63 Hz35.31 Hz
Tangential Modes
DimensionHWHLWL
Frequency84.88 Hz58.85 Hz78.96 Hz
Oblique Modes
DimensionHWL
Frequency91.93 Hz

i.e. your room has some nasty problems because of the width being half the length - taking the analysis up to the 60th mode of resonance for the width, at some points there will be a stronger resonance due to the coincidence of three or more modes of resonance (H W L HL are all in play here)

DimensionsResonance CountDimensions possible
1336H W L HW HL WL HWL
247H-W H-L W-L H-HL W-HL L-HL
331H-W-L W-L-HL
46H-W-L-HL

HLHLWFreqIntensityHLHLWFreqIntensityHLHLWFreqIntensity
2170.63 Hz242211483.23 Hz282412895.83 Hz2
342141.26 Hz33344221553.86 Hz36384422966.46 Hz3
35176.55 Hz227451588.95 Hz251853001.35 Hz2
63211.89 Hz346231624.49 Hz286433037.09 Hz2
45235.40 Hz228351647.80 Hz252653060.20 Hz2
684282.52 Hz33648241695.12 Hz36688443107.72 Hz3
6105353.15 Hz33050251765.75 Hz35490453178.35 Hz3
9126423.78 Hz33952261836.38 Hz36992463248.98 Hz3
810470.80 Hz232401883.20 Hz256703295.60 Hz2
147494.41 Hz254271907.01 Hz294473319.61 Hz2
915529.65 Hz233551942.05 Hz257953354.45 Hz2
12168565.04 Hz34256281977.64 Hz37296483390.24 Hz3
189635.67 Hz258292048.27 Hz298493460.87 Hz2
12152010706.30 Hz4364560302118.90 Hz46075100503531.50 Hz4
2211776.93 Hz262312189.53 Hz2102513602.13 Hz2
182412847.56 Hz34864322260.16 Hz378104523672.76 Hz3
1525882.75 Hz239652295.15 Hz2631053707.55 Hz2
2613918.19 Hz266332330.79 Hz2106533743.39 Hz2
1620941.60 Hz240502354.00 Hz264803766.40 Hz2
212814988.82 Hz35168342401.42 Hz381108543814.02 Hz3
1830151059.45 Hz34270352472.05 Hz366110553884.65 Hz3
2432161130.08 Hz35472362542.68 Hz384112563955.28 Hz3
20251177.00 Hz244552589.40 Hz268854001.80 Hz2
34171200.71 Hz274372613.31 Hz2114574025.91 Hz2
21351235.85 Hz245752648.25 Hz2691154060.65 Hz2
2736181271.34 Hz35776382683.94 Hz387116584096.54 Hz3
38191341.97 Hz278392754.57 Hz2118594167.17 Hz2
243040201412.60 Hz4486080402825.20 Hz47290120604237.80 Hz4

Legend
Axial
- The midline dimensions H W L
Tangential - the resonances where any two dimensions meet: along the floor, ceiling or the full corner: HW, HL, WL
Oblique - the resonances where all three dimensions meet: the actual corners at the floor and ceiling: HWL
 
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