Mastering Vocals and Instrumental..separately or together?

[noblewordz]

So from your experience most of the mixing is done by the producer?

I always thought they worked with an engineer.

 

[008]

it is perfectly fine to use any number of tracks in your beat/project

or not......if you want.

sometimes you want a wall of sound.

sometimes you need a sparse arrngmnt.

either way, there is no rules.

The song right now is the boss......
whatever the song needs.

im a protools hater,
not really....im just po folk
but i want unlimited features
..thats why i have Sonar 6 <on since 4

when my r&b dude comes thru,
he wants 50trax just for his vocals alone.
o yes, we can bounce it to make it more manageable for the mix.
but its gotta get recorded first...

and if we sequenced the beat in there too,
or even imported or rewired.....
w/e ....that 32trk limit wont do over here

and what do you think
Mr. "i need 50 vocal trx"
will say about the musical arrangement?
--ahhhhgg that bastard...god bless him

ive been up to around 72 i think was the highest....

but i love it more than anything, when it barely took 12 trx
and you got the heeeeaaatfire
thats the best.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

So from your experience most of the mixing is done by the producer?

I always thought they worked with an engineer.

You guys gotta understand, we're talking rap. Rappers smoke weed, have girls in the studio while they record, BS with music.

If someone wants the best quality possible, they'll fly you out with your hardware you used to make the beat and have their engineer mix it for you. That's something Diddy or Dre, and maybe a few other random artists would do. That's also how they get co-production credit. They even arrange the track and add more to it.

But 90% of the time, they get a beat CD. Hear a track they like, rip it from CD, record in a rinky dink studio on Pro Tools. Send it off in a session file to a major studio and get everything cleaned up, mastered, and pressed to CD. I put that in bold so everyone would remember. Making music is that simple.

Because of the accessibility of Pro Tools LE this is done, back in the 90s you had to go to a major studio, but now you don't. The quality shows, but that's because "young buck's cousin" or "stack bundle's homeboy" arent real engineers.

Look at Ryan Leslie on the otherhand and Cassie's Me & U track. Everyone's been to Youtube and seen his setup. That was done there.

I'm not a fan of PT and if you can do everything yourself on something else, use what youre good at, but this is how the industry works. Being that Ryan Leslie does everything in House, he can use whatever he wants. And you notice if you ever watch him recording, the only audiotracks on the screen are vocals. All the music off those keyboards is directly outsourced and mixed thru his trackboard. I use him as an example because everyone can go to youtube and look for themselves.

it is perfectly fine to use any number of tracks in your beat/project

or not......if you want.

sometimes you want a wall of sound.

sometimes you need a sparse arrngmnt.

either way, there is no rules.

The song right now is the boss......
whatever the song needs.

im a protools hater,
not really....im just po folk
but i want unlimited features
..thats why i have Sonar 6 <on since 4

when my r&b dude comes thru,
he wants 50trax just for his vocals alone.
o yes, we can bounce it to make it more manageable for the mix.
but its gotta get recorded first...

and if we sequenced the beat in there too,
or even imported or rewired.....
w/e ....that 32trk limit wont do over here

and what do you think
Mr. "i need 50 vocal trx"
will say about the musical arrangement?
--ahhhhgg that bastard...god bless him

ive been up to around 72 i think was the highest....

but i love it more than anything, when it barely took 12 trx
and you got the heeeeaaatfire
thats the best.

Once again, in music, do what you want, but as a guy who takes jobs as an engineer for major studios, I'm telling you, If you knew what you were doing in the realm of digital recording, it wouldn't take close to 50 tracks of vocals for 1 person. Doen't even take bouncing down. Just cut/paste/automation and knowhow.

 

[noblewordz]

You guys gotta understand, we're talking rap. Rappers smoke weed, have girls in the studio while they record, BS with music.

If someone wants the best quality possible, they'll fly you out with your hardware you used to make the beat and have their engineer mix it for you. That's something Diddy or Dre, and maybe a few other random artists would do. That's also how they get co-production credit. They even arrange the track and add more to it.

But 90% of the time, they get a beat CD. Hear a track they like, rip it from CD, record in a rinky dink studio on Pro Tools. Send it off in a session file to a major studio and get everything cleaned up, mastered, and pressed to CD. I put that in bold so everyone would remember. Making music is that simple.

Because of the accessibility of Pro Tools LE this is done, back in the 90s you had to go to a major studio, but now you don't. The quality shows, but that's because "young buck's cousin" or "stack bundle's homeboy" arent real engineers.

Look at Ryan Leslie on the otherhand and Cassie's Me & U track. Everyone's been to Youtube and seen his setup. That was done there.

I'm not a fan of PT and if you can do everything yourself on something else, use what youre good at, but this is how the industry works. Being that Ryan Leslie does everything in House, he can use whatever he wants. And you notice if you ever watch him recording, the only audiotracks on the screen are vocals. All the music off those keyboards is directly outsourced and mixed thru his trackboard. I use him as an example because everyone can go to youtube and look for themselves.

Yeah i guss i dont really no that much, its funny how things really work.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

Yeah i guss i dont really no that much, its funny how things really work.

The wierd thing, in a perfect world people would care enough to perfect everything in their music, and it would take alot more work on everyone's end. But think of a track like Lloyd Bank's "Cake" or Tony Yayo's "I know you don't love me" you gotta have the ear to hear it, but they really should have said "I need a better mix of this beat!" Engineer's still made them both sound decent.

 

[008]

Once again, in music, do what you want, but as a guy who takes jobs as an engineer for major studios, I'm telling you, If you knew what you were doing in the realm of digital recording, it wouldn't take close to 50 tracks of vocals for 1 person. Doen't even take bouncing down. Just cut/paste/automation and knowhow.

Rap music = your absolutely right

im sayin, not if the artist is on some kinda purist,
no copies,ol skool, real feeling,soul type **** like my boy,
when hes singin on his R&B stuff....it works for him tho.

but the very next day,
its the same guy ,
and its a simple rap joint..
dudes done in 4 trax.
tru stories..


Rap music shouldnt take too many trx at all,
you 100% rite

 

[highkoo]

wow. who cares how many tracks are used? is someone better because they use less? they are more skilled at something that makes no difference except to someone working with ten year old gear...? makes no difference to the music, and no difference to your gear, if its decent. irrelevant.

and yet somehow someone can talk down to someone cuz they use more tracks. without even hearing the track. fokkin stupid....

my last track had like.... 60 stereo tracks- half of them totally wasted, cuz i dont care, cuz my pc doesnt care either. plus prolly at least 5 midi tracks. i dont think twice about adding... anything, if its gonna make my track more modular while im working.

not that ive worked with any 'major artists' or anything... haha.....



sorry, this thread just slowly pissed me off....
peace.

 

[moses]

well, let's have a look over serious (in my opinion) hiphop acts, and how they sound:

- the roots: usually mixed in a big studio, i'm pretty sure they use hundrets of tracks.
- busta rhymes: mixed in a big studio.
- roots manuva: mixed in a big studio.
- mos def: mixed in a big studio.
- erika badu: mixed in a big studio.

a few exceptions are madlib and slumvillage.

and beside these examples, all "big" and well known acts like snoop, eminem, 50 cent, missi elliot, ect. are all mixed with extrem care. you bring the 90's examples, they are not valid anymore, the standarts changed alot in 16 years. or do you compete with 90's stuff? i don't think.

i hear heavy layered choirs in nearly every mainstream production. even if you know what you are doing, you will still need dozens of tracks to produce such a choir.

and with the pre-mixed beat simply polished a little: do you seriously think that A&R's managing multi million dollars (or even 10000$) will allow such a stupid risk? the same with women shaking in the studio, don't watch TV. and the hiphope-guys were by far not the first smoking weed in a studio - you are 50 years to late to impress someone with that. i'm not really sure you really know much about what you call the "big game". managers make the rules here, not music video phantasies.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vdoy0GZnfrc

Mac Dre & Yukmouth

We live fantasies over here, sorry you don't.

 

[highkoo]

backwoods!!!!


love them......

so, that video is supposed to like the 'ballers studio jam' or something....?

cuz i gotta say, it didnt exactly appear to be 'ballin' or real 'proffesional'. but whatever, i dont know sh|zzy.....

peace.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

I was just waiting for someone to hate so I could give you the finished product. United Ghettos of America in Stores everywhere btw. And the quality of this track is > than average rap album by far.

But of course you'll still swear you know something I don't. Lemme know when you need another example, I got millions.

 

[BlackEyeCEO]

very nice quality, i'm no professional, but i can't find anything wrong with it....

 

[dvyce]

To DVyce, I just reread the thread, I apologize, I've been in 3 threads with the same topic of "32 tracks in PT" in the last 24hrs. I can see how you thought my statements were directly towards you, but they were just general statements, I confused this thread with another on the exact same topic called "Cubase vs. PT"

no problem

 

[highkoo]

hey, i wasnt talkin about the music, i was talking about the studio session itself, the topic that was being discussed. i meant the situation, location, behavior, etc, didnt seem 'pro'. but, the product itself sounds much closer than appearances would make ya think.

so in that way, youve proved your point.

im not hatin. backwoods will never be banned from my place. haha....

peace.

 

[megaMIKE]

And if you use automation, the most complex song's vocals can be put into 6-12 audio tracks. If you're using more than 32 tracks, you're limiting yourself, your CPU's drained!

I haven't been able to visit the site in a while, but after reading all the posts I didn't know my question would cause such a controversey. My bad..haha. But thanks deranged..I'll look into that feature ^^^. peace.

o yea..I sequence everything through my motif..and then record it into pro tools. =)

-Mike