i read muslims are not allowed to play or hear music. hiphop is especially haram....

[cubzproductions]

im glad im non-religious... i think it gives me more wider/open lookout on life and other things. unless someone can shed some light i will always hold MY own beliefs and values

 

[oohotcarameloo]

heres another 1 saying its haram


For start it's a waste of time. Instead of listening to music or Nasheeds read Qur'an. Study the strong hadiths. Learn arabic if you don't know it. Learn about your deen! Teach your kids about Islam.

Ibn Mas'ood(RA) used to swear by Allah(SWT) that the ayah:
{And of mankind is he who purchaes idle talk [i.e. music, singing, etc.] to mislead [men] from the Path of Allah.}(Qur'an 31:6) referred to singing [Tafseer ibn Katheer, 6/333]
Abu Amir and Abu Malik al-Ash'ari(RA) reported that the Prophet(SAW) said: "Among my ummah will be people who will make permissbale al-herra, al-hareer, al-khamr and al-ma'azif-liberalism, silk, alcohol, and musical instruments" [Bukhari, see Fath al-bari, 10/51]
Anas(RA) reported that the Prophet(SAW) said: "In this ummah, there will be punishments of earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity(transformation into animals); when the people will be involved in drinking khamr (intoxicants), listen to female singers and play musical instruments."[Silsilat al-ahadeeth as-Saheehah, hadith no. 2203, attributed to Ibn Abi Dunya, concerning Dhammm al-Malahi (condemnation of musical instruments); the hadith is narrated by At-Tirmidhi, hadith no. 2212]

The prohibtion and the sin involved are greater when the music is accompanied by sining in the voices of female singers, and it is even worse when the lyrics speak of love and describe physical beauty. Some scholars said that singing paves the way for zina (adultery or forincation), and that it makes hypocrisy grow in the heart.

Muslims are aware that nothing has been prohibited by Allah except that which is harmful to the welfare of a Muslim individual and the society as a whole. The divine attribute behind the prohibition of music can be comprehended by looking into the diverse influence music can have.

Experiments carried out by doctors and professors have confirmed that the music of today is such that it does not only affect the brain, but each and every organ of one`s body. There is a close relationship between music and bodily movements. We find that people listening to music automatically start tapping their fingers and feet, as if the music is permeating in their blood.

It is also proved that music affect`s one`s emotions, increases arousal in terms of alertness and excitement and also leads to various physiological changes in the person. In a psychology experiment, it was found that listening to moderate type of music increased one`s normal heart beat, whilst listening to rock music the heart beat increased even further, yet people claim that music has no effect.

It is a very ignorant and misguided attitude to percieve music as a form of pleasure and passing of time, since the messages of today`s music follow a general theme of love, fornication, drugs and freedom.

We find that the whole world is obsessed with the kufr idea of freedom, i.e. freedom of speech, freedom of movement, etc. In modern schools and universities, we observe independence, free expression and secular thinking being encouraged. This idea of freedom, “ It`s my life, I`ll do what I want” is a predominant, underlying theme of today`s music. It is being used as a means for drilling those modern ideologies that are totally contrary to Islamic Shariah and values, into the minds of Muslims.

The female voice, according to Islam, is also included in the category of satar, i.e. it has to be concealed and not revealed. Since the female voice is satar it is not permissible for males to listen to women singing or even reciting the Holy Qur’aan. Allah, the Creator, is well aware of the lure for men which exists in the female voice, hence women in Islam are not permitted to raise their voices when speaking; neither are they permitted to recite aloud during salaah. When necessity demands that they have to speak to males then their speech should not be attractive, gentle and alluring like the deliberate ‘lure’ put in speech by the ‘trained’ women of the kuffar. Recognising the danger of allurement in the female voice, the Holy Qur’aan commands women thus: "And do not speak in alluring tones so that he in whose heart there is disease (of lust) desires." (Qur’aan 33:32)

Islam commands the concealment of the female voice and prohibits its display in public.
Source(s):
Muharramat Forbidden Matters Some People Take Lightly by Muhammad Salih Al-Munnajjid
http://www.inter-islam.org/Prohibitions/…
http://www.inter-islam.org/Prohibitions/…

 

[cubzproductions]

damn... muslims are real sexistl. why would they do this. can anybody enlighten me?

 

[DaNOC]

"Allah (SWT) says in Sura Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning): “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]"

Idle talk is not music. Remember the Qur'an was back in over 1,400 years ago, and there were men and women who did unrighteous poetry, to lead men and women off the path. Plus myths of tales and even rapping back then too. a lot of people don't know know that. This was without Music. if you learn the history you will see. There is nothing in the Qur'an specifically saying music is not allowed. Now from a common sense view wild sex lyrics is haram, conscious music with no profanity is not. There are muslims doing Islamic music right now and is super duper positive, and praising Allah, is that haram? Is that Idle talk? Humans are given the nature of entertainment but it's how you entertain yourself.
I didn't mention Hadith because like i said before a lot of it is contradiction. Like one hadith say Muhammad was CAUCASIAN! which is a lie, the history and blood lineage shows Muhammad was dark as night and his father and grandfather was too. So with that history of the blood line which can't lie, do I trust the Hadith over that? no! Another hadith said Muhammad married Aisha at 9 years old and has sex with her. That's another LIE! There is no history of Arabs marrying in their culture young girls like that. Muhammad put an end to force marriage. The other Ahadiths don't match up with each other according to age. But when you do the math Aisha had to be 16 or older, that's when Menstration starts which is a term to know that's when a female becomes a woman. In Africa they make boys into men at the age of 13 to 16! If the Qur'an say Idle talk, talking is a communication, by it's self there is no music behind it. The word music in Arabiah is what you would have to show me, not link another word to it to intrepretate it to fit one's ideology of what THEY THINK it is saying.


"The female voice, according to Islam, is also included in the category of satar, i.e. it has to be concealed and not revealed. Since the female voice is satar it is not permissible for males to listen to women singing or even reciting the Holy Qur’aan. "

Stop the women can't even recite the holy Qur'an? lol hahahah So when I am out at work who is going to teach my boy sons? lol Where does that say that in the Qur'an! That is some manish dictator bull ish! So women can't read the Qur'an they have to wait for a man to read it to them? lol Women can read the Qur'an they are learning Quran everyday lol If women couldn't read the Qur'an why would they be in Islamic universities reciting Qur'an and being taught by men and other muslim sisters alike? That info is some male chauvinistic non-sense. AGAIN SHOW ME IN THE QUR'AN WHERE IT SAYS WOMEN CAN'T READ QUR'AN!

 

[oohotcarameloo]

one thing i can relate to this when i had a studio in my crib in nyc. there were many time when i felt hypnotized while making beats. i would do it for hours and hours and literally forget to eat,drink, and even pee...some muslims say sometimes they forget to pray because they are so into the music.


all i gotta say is thats its a very controversal subject

 

[DaNOC]

speech by the ‘trained’ women of the kuffar.
http://www.inter-islam.org/Prohibitions/…

Seems like you put to much faith in the Ahadith than the Qur'an and I am going to shed light on this. I am one who knows how to read the Arabia. And if you look at my signa you will see the word Allah in Arabic!

Now I want you to explain to me this Aisha being married to Muhammad at 9 years old! You think I am going to believe that?
here goes!

This fool is on National tv and youtube saying you can marry a BABY! How in the hell,(Cause that's where he's going ) can a baby be conscious to sign a contract of marriage? Again Muhammad pbuh was intelligent and got rid of FEMALE FORCE FAMILY MARRIAGES! Now how is this fool going to say you can marry a baby? A one year old girl is a BABY! There is no Ahadith nor Qur'anic verse on this planet that supports this guys belief! You can't even rationalize it. You don't even have to be a Muslim to know that's wrong!

You think I am lying go here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3vL8qEBL8 <---



(Qur’aan, 4:5-6).
This is what Muhammad said about youths and dealing with being mentally ready in comprehension and understanding writing a Contract.

“Do not give immature orphans the properties that Allah has entrusted with
you as guardians. You shall provide for them therefrom, and clothe them,
and treat them kindly. And test them until they reach the age of marriage.
Then if you find them maturity of intellect, give them their property...”

In the matter of children who have lost a parent, a Muslim is ordered to (a) feed
them, (b) clothe them, (c) educate them, and (d) test them for maturity “until the
age of marriage” before entrusting them with management of finances.
Here the Qur’aanic verse demands meticulous proof of their intellectual and
physical maturity by objective test results before the age of marriage in order to
entrust their property to them.

So common sense would tell you a female have to be mature enough in order to have feelings for a man and be mature enough to sign a marriage contract.

In light of the above verses, no responsible Muslim would hand over financial management to a six- or nine-year-old immature girl. If we cannot trust a sixyear-
old to manage financial matters, she cannot be intellectually or
physically fit for marriage.

EVIDENCE #7: Arabic Terminology
According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of the (Muhammad) Prophet’s first wife Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in mind.
Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been
married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet asked the identity of the bikr (virgin),
Khaulah mentioned Ayesha’s name.
All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word bikr in the
Arabic language is not used for an immature nine-year-old girl. The correct word
for a young playful girl, as stated earlier, is jariyah. Bikr on the other hand, is used
for an unmarried lady without conjugal experience prior to marriage, as we
understand the word “virgin” in English. Therefore, obviously a nine-year-old girl
is not a “lady” (bikr) (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 6, p. .210, Arabic, Dar
Ihya al-turath al-`arabi, Beirut).
CONCLUSION: The literal meaning of the word, bikr (virgin), in the above
hadiyth is “adult woman with no sexual experience prior to marriage.” Therefore,
Ayesha was an adult woman at the time of her marriage.


I can go on and on with Proof Aishea was not 6 or 9 years old. This is why I don't trust all ahadith and I go and use Qur'an. I am not a Sunni, nor a Shia, nor a Baha'i, or a Wahhabi, etc. I am a Muslim, there is no where in the Qur'an that says to be of a sect and Muhammad said not to have a sect all will go to hell except those who follow Qur'an and sunnah, he didn't say Ahadith which was done 250 years AFTER HIS DEATH!

 

[DaNOC]

one thing i can relate to this when i had a studio in my crib in nyc. there were many time when i felt hypnotized while making beats. i would do it for hours and hours and literally forget to eat,drink, and even pee...some muslims say sometimes they forget to pray because they are so into the music.


all i gotta say is thats its a very controversal subject

Well when you love to do something and enjoy it with a passion that's called being in the ZONE! You have to get into the zone if you're going to do good music or anything for that matter. If you don't love what you are doing it will become boring and not fun. I have made my prayers while doing Music. so there's no excuse. I have been in the studio and told Tim I am going to make Salah/prayer and he is Caucasian and it's normal now to him, it's like nothing to him. Others be like " what is he doing"? Tim tell them "he will be back he went to make prayer in the other room". Then the people go "Oh ok". I can be making beats alone, and my eye is on the clock so I can make prayer. but now I have an alarm that goes off everytime I need to make prayer so I am good. And I know they sell those so there is no excuse, muslims can get them off Ebay for cheap! If you can get an MPC2000xl you can get a prayer alarm clock ! lol There is no confusion dudes need to be in reality

 

[DaNOC]

That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. These celestial bodies formed from the remains of a supernova (hence the heavy metals on earth - our Sun is to small to become a supernova and/or create heavy metals during that process). Not only that: every single drop of water on earth came out of the space.

You see, by answering "God/Allah/Thor did it", none of us would've ever learned a single thing. I just gave you a hint of what studying physics/astronomy/cosmology brings to the table, unlike the "God did it" statement, which is not only unprovable, but also lacks ANY SORT OF INFORMATION.

Well, thanks for the science class, I enjoyed that. All I asked did a man create the sun, moon and stars was a simple yes or no job. You're right it's not the topic at hand, but since you took it there I am going to take it further. In order for there to be a supernova process there had to be a FORCE behind that. No matter on earth can move with out force! That keeps in balance also with energy as well. Every Living creature and thing has carbon in it. EVERYTHING! This is what a carbon piece looks like!

So as you said there was a supernova etc etc. In order to have an effect there has to be A CAUSE! This is simple science. The Qur'an is very clear on science and how man came into being and how the earth and planets were formed, whether you accept it or not. Now you said :

"These celestial bodies formed from the remains of a supernova ..."

As you think you have explained it, but in essence you haven't, because I would have a question as of "WHAT WAS BEHIND THE CELESTIAL BODIES TO MAKE IT FORM TO CAUSE A SUPERNOVA?" Nothing happens just by sheer luck or just happening and even great scientist will vouch with me on that. I just gave you a hint I know my ish and what you think you explained left a big bang gap OF THE UNEXPLAINABLE!

Quantum Gravity claimed by Scientist the source of everything beginning. Which I call Allah, others called Alon, or Yahweh, or Elohim, or Eloi, or UnKlunkulu, or Anatu, or Amen Re, EL, and I can go on forever!

If you must know, there are the higher Elitist such as Masons that will agree also, but are in SECRET!

People in Africa knew this science before any Einstein or Aristole or any of these moderned day scientist has made oftheir statements on science. The things they knew already in Ancient Alkebulan/Africa is nothing new dude, and the modern day scientist are playing CATCH UP!

 

[California]

im assuming you were trying to make a point?

man=god predates islam...as a matter of fact....islam is derived from people who taught that man and god are one....

u can have your innovation...i'd rather have the original...

but in what way are you god ? you must have a real wack definition of "god" . there are men that are more intelligent than you (and me) , so what kind o fa god are you ? whats the point of being a god, if it doesnt mean anything nor does it translate into anything , ie "im a god, oh and by the way, a god can have a low iq, and die in a car accident just like non-gods" . the word god doesnt even exist in the Bible. the word that is translated as god is "elohim" which means "judges" . men are called elohim in the Bible so your 5 percenter belief isnt anything radical in that sense , but in teh bible, only men that had recieved teh word of God were called gods , but in your belief a random dude that has an iq of 89 that mops floors at walmart can be a god so it makes your word "god" be useless since by "god" you obviously dont mean "all knowing" or even "very much knowing" .so whats the point again ? thats like if i tell you "im going to give you a million dollars ! oh and by the way, in my belief and language, a million dollars means 1 cent"

 

[California]

For me I don't see how one can bend the rule of their faith, it is what it is, what happens is men/women are fraudulent and contradictory to what they say they believe and what their faith say. Take for instance, the Bible leviticus 11:7 tells Christians not to eat pork. Christians are the biggest advocates of eating and selling pork in the US. Yet if you tell them their scriptures they will tell you "Jesus said ........" If you know the scriptures there is not one single place where Jesus said one can eat pork, I DARE ANYONE TO SHOW ME! As a matter of fact, Jesus ate, Honey Comb, and fish and never touched swine. Second Jesus himself said to follow the Commandments and not to BREAK THEM! so if you show them this and they are still in deniel you leave them alone because THEY THEMSELVES BENT THEMSELVES not the rule. The Creator rules are simple and law and the law can't be destroyed. So it's people that bend not the rules my brother.

On the thought of Method man, I have had my run in with 5%er's and we build and by the time i finish with them, they see me in a whole different light because I give facts and truth. Take for instants, they claim the bible says the green earth is good for you. Ok but it didn't say to SMOKE IT! So one day a 5%er ran that crap on me so I said "oh is that so"? So I grabbed a leaf off a tree and told him "here wrap that ish up and smoke it, it's green and part of the earth right"? His own boys laughed because at that time they knew now what he said was ridiculous. Because he was use to smoking what was laced with embalming fluid and all types of stuff they put on weed to get one high. if you smoke weed naturally you wouldn't get high and why do they pick out a specific plant to smoke, why not all green trees? it's because they are fooling themselves. Weed smoking is a drug! period! I told him he is a drug addict and he is no better than anyone esle. Then I broke down the science of the lungs, basically our lungs are not made to inhale smoke, you are to breath in oxygen and exhale. Intense smoke to the lungs can cause a disease effect and it's NOTHING NATURAL ABOUT SMOKING AT ALL AT NO TIME!

both the "old testament" and "new testament" teach in unison that gentiles are not required to keep law to be considered righteous. the Law (613 laws / torah) are only required of by circumsized israelites . in fact, its actually forbiddne for gentiels to keep some of the laws like "passover" . The torah forbids a non-israelite non -circumsized man from observing passover and many other laws . So i respect your zeal ( i have zeal too especiially since there are MANY laws that are lawful and good for a gentile to do and some that ARE required that they dont keep). The OT teaches that it is not a sin for a gentile to eat food that isnt kosher. here is one example demonstrating that

"Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to an alien living in any of your towns, and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God."

this word teaches that it is forbidden for an israelite to eat an animal that died by itself , BUT it teaches that a foreigner (non-jew) was allowed to eat it . The OT only has 7 laws that were given to all mankind , and the new testament bumps it to 14 (the ten commandments plus "dont eat blood, strangled meat, food offered to idols and stay away from sexual sins" . The OT and the NT are in unison in teaching that gentiles are not required to keep law , while jews are required to keep it as long as the earth exists

7 laws for all mankind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Gate Proselytes (gentiles that were considered righteous without keeping the full law or being circumsized (without full conversion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselyte

New testament listing what laws ,gentile believers must keep (beside the 10)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_15

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.[5] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day" (Acts 15:19–21)

 

[jay_jizle]

Some great discussion in here folks. Way to keep it civil.

Sorry couldn't help it, this line by itself made me laugh...

another example is fags

lol

 

[khanvict]

Islam forbids anything that moves a muslim away from Allah. Vulgar music is haram, no doubt. But theres alot of music out there that is not haram. Making beats is not haram, unless ur so into it that u stop to practice Islam properly.

 

[DaNOC]

Islam forbids anything that moves a muslim away from Allah. Vulgar music is haram, no doubt. But theres alot of music out there that is not haram. Making beats is not haram, unless ur so into it that u stop to practice Islam properly.

^5 Exactly! 100% agree that is clear cut and dry ! Beautiful

 

[DaNOC]

Some great discussion in here folks. Way to keep it civil.

Sorry couldn't help it, this line by itself made me laugh... lol

^5 I agree, I love the discussion, it makes me feel like man this is great people don't see us as music only airheads like we can't get into a civil and interlectual convo.

 

[DaNOC]

both the ....QUOTE]


^5 great post, I agree with some of the stuff you said, and I am glad you posted it. Wonderful. Ok let me get into it.

I for one don't believe in a New Testament, and let me explain why with facts not only from MY stand point but other facts and of course what Yeshu'a/Iesous/Jesus said. Oh by the way there is no one in history by the name of Jesus so I will call him by his correct name which Is Yeshu'a or Isa Son of Mary.

From this point my friend Cal, Yeshu'a, never had a bible nor a New Testament, or book, he orally spread his word and knew of the Law/Commandments from what Moses gave to the Israelites. He didn't know anything about a New Testament, but he came to spread the Injil, or Gospel/Goodnews, and he spoke that orally. Now the funny thing about the bible is there are four books, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and they have Gospels according them them. When you read the script it sounds like a third person is talking and Not directly them. I ask "WHERES THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO CHRIST YESHU'A ?" The Testament is an add on by Constantine in the council of Nicea in 325ad to add and take away books. Yeshu'a never had a Bible #1 He never was a Christian #2, he never taught in a Church #3 and he didn't represent Sunday, he kept the Sabbath ONLY! #4. The word Christian comes after Yeshu'a is already dead. The People of his time and Moses called themselves saints only! The word Saint is in the Bible 96 times in 95 verses. I have every verse! Christian is only there three times and here they are:

Act 26:28
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe 4:16
Yet if [any man suffer] as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

So in all reality Christianity is by Paul at Antioch by the sarcastic remark made by Agrippa.

So that's proof right there. Also Yeshu'a said he only came to save the Israelites ONLY! Yeshu'a told people to follow the commandments ONLY! HERE'S THE PROOF.

MARK 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mat 5:17 KJV - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 KJV - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 KJV - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I can go on forever! I think 5:19 sums it up the best. THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT AT HIS TIME AND HE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT!

The entire Bible in it's condition today took 1,000 years after Yeshu'a to complete and with in that time period, 500 years after Yeshu'a death a New Testament was made.


Now on the subject that you said about eating and all the laws, Moses set that up already. That's true, so basically if the gentiles didn't have to follow the law/commandment they were left out in the dust. That's why you have a Qur'an, it's not for Arabs only it's for ALL PEOPLE, Africans, Hispanics, Caucasians, Asians etc. The Qur'an covers things that the Bible didn't, it will seem crazy that Allah don't care for the gentiles also when Allah created all people. Plus on top of that the Israelites throughout the Bible kept on disobeying Yahweh CONSTANTLY, TO THE POINT THEY WANTED TO KILL YESHU'A WHO CAME TO THEM TO SAVE THEM!

The Qur'an say the same thing about not eating foods and we muslims have to eat Halal equivalent to Kosher food. WE don't touch pork/swine nor Meats from out of supermarkets that haven't been raised right and slaughtered properly. Halal means Lawful to eat. Now the real reason there is a problem with the Bible is this!

You have three different Bibles saying different things and have omitted books and added in books. Howbeitso that one book has 73 books the other 66 and the other 80? In the Bible it says God is not the author of confusion. Well if this is true someone needs to explain to me how is this! I mean get the books and check them out for yourself. I have read them all from front to back. So this is a reason for the Qur'an. I have 11 Qur'an translated by different people, and all of them SAY 114 CHAPTERS! Not one has 44 chapters or 16 chapters, and omitted this out they all have 114 chapters. So now the gentiles are covered by Qur'an, if they chose to accept, because Islam can't force no one to be Muslim. If men are doing that they are wrong! This is why I separate the Old from the New Testament because Yeshu'a himself as I have posted didn't know nor believe in it, and it's not part of the Tanakh, Old Testament, it's made up.


Peace

 

[jay_jizle]

Question for you DaNOC.

Are any of your Qu'rans translated into english? And if so, do you notice obvious differences in the meanings and messages due to the language differences. Like how different versions of the Bible have different translations of some words?

Me thinks english is a horrible language to translate ancient texts into.

 

[JeanLukPigheart]

Well, thanks for the science class, I enjoyed that. All I asked did a man create the sun, moon and stars was a simple yes or no job. You're right it's not the topic at hand, but since you took it there I am going to take it further. In order for there to be a supernova process there had to be a FORCE behind that. No matter on earth can move with out force! That keeps in balance also with energy as well. Every Living creature and thing has carbon in it. EVERYTHING! This is what a carbon piece looks like!

so the answer is "no". did "God" create the stars and the moon? the answer is also "no".

but thanks for the "science class". I enjoyed that. (yup just being sarcastic, while you are being arrogant).

you have (as expected) explained nothing (not even how stars and moon were created). I don't know why you then jump from manifestation of INFORMATION (which is all we see, but not all there is) to carbon-based lifeforms.
yes, life ON EARTH (and the one we recently discovered (yes, EXTRATERRESTIAL!) in upper layers of the atmosphere, as well as the remains of EXTRATERRESTIAL (sic!) bacteria on Mars) is carbon-based. but that doesn't mean, that life everywhere in the Universe is based on that. it doesn't mean that life requires WATER in order to be present. likely, very likely, but not 100% true.

So as you said there was a supernova etc etc. In order to have an effect there has to be A CAUSE! This is simple science. The Qur'an is very clear on science and how man came into being and how the earth and planets were formed, whether you accept it or not. Now you said :

no, it's not simple science. not at all. the Universe is non-linear. in the quantum world the effect can be observed before the cause. unfortunately (as with all religious writings of that time and before), Qu'ran is clear on "science" from the point of understanding the people who wrote it had at that time. whether you accept it or not; the human for example, isn't created out of a cloat of blood, then grows the inner organs, then the skeleton, then flesh, then the skin and THEN starts to live. this is clearly non-sense, but at that time, the human body was seen as some magical device created by God and not a well adjusted machine.
cells have "differential potential" and can turn into skin, bones or parts of your eye.

btw, the creation myth contained in the Qu'ran was adopted from Vedic writings. still, two wrongs don't make one right.

btw, there are many CONTRADICTING explanations regarding the source of the human (read: from which material Allah created the human).

there are other things, like the re-appearance of the geocentric model in the Qu'ran.

As you think you have explained it, but in essence you haven't, because I would have a question as of "WHAT WAS BEHIND THE CELESTIAL BODIES TO MAKE IT FORM TO CAUSE A SUPERNOVA?" Nothing happens just by sheer luck or just happening and even great scientist will vouch with me on that. I just gave you a hint I know my ish and what you think you explained left a big bang gap OF THE UNEXPLAINABLE!

100s of millions of years of evolution of life and literally billions of year of "evolution" of space didn't happen "by accident". this is why we discover rules of nature. this is why certain atoms have a certain mass, quarks have certain spins and specific causes have specific effects.

when your parents made you, 100 MILLION sperm cells "fought" for one egg. is that "luck"? if you see YOUR life as the purpose of YOUR life (sic!), then yes, YOU were lucky. could've been one of the other 99.999.999 millions of the girls or boys.

did it happen by accident? of course not. it's not like your mother walked to the grocery store and then "whoops!", you were there and she said "guess I'm pregnant".

"luck" and "accidentally" are human principles.

Quantum Gravity claimed by Scientist the source of everything beginning. Which I call Allah, others called Alon, or Yahweh, or Elohim, or Eloi, or UnKlunkulu, or Anatu, or Amen Re, EL, and I can go on forever!

If you must know, there are the higher Elitist such as Masons that will agree also, but are in SECRET!

People in Africa knew this science before any Einstein or Aristole or any of these moderned day scientist has made oftheir statements on science. The things they knew already in Ancient Alkebulan/Africa is nothing new dude, and the modern day scientist are playing CATCH UP!

I hear this time and time again. from Hindus, Christians, Muslims and Jews. none of them can prove anything, yet they all claim, that there is secret knowledge, which existed before you and I existed.

asynchronous appearance of knowledge is nothing new: while certain tribes in Africa, to this day, live a life we would call "primitive" with regards to OUR knowledge of nature, we use the internet to communicate.
unfortunately (but not surprisingly), none of that superior (sic!) knowledge can be read about or researched. no accounts of it (or even books) were found. none of their superior technology exists.

this is where these religious/mystical schools are not different from........."religious" healers, magicians and the other followers of "hocus pocus". they claim they hold the Sang Raal (Holy Grail - which doesn't translate to "Holy Blood" but to "True Gospels"), but neither can you hear, see or touch it.

it's a FICTIONAL concept like the Hyperboreans, Agharta or the accounts from the Akasha Chronic. you will hear millions talk about it, swear it exists, but nobody will be able to show you.
that's no different than the NOI waiting for the mothership, which nobody heard about, seen or will ever see.
still, it's better to have an incomplete or simply WRONG concept/theory, than to bath in the lake of ignorance/arrogance by claiming "Thor/Osiris/God/Sophia" did it.

life HERE ON EARTH is too beautiful to waste it on worshiping DEATH.
and all of the major religions are DEATH CULTS. with the exception of Buddhism, which is not a religion at all, but "the science of the mind" (this is not made up, the Lama told me).

live your life and find your purpose, don't pride yourself in knowing what death is good for (paradise, hell, etc...).

 

[SannyBoi]

yea it makes me real nervous cause i don't want to come off the wrong way and make her feel disrespected and hurt her feelings.. They always say you never come between a person and their religion.

But how do you explain something like that to someone, how do you tell/get/have them talk to an orthodox Muslim without making it seem like you're downing their way of life. I try to keep in mind that she is a female and she deeply believes in something. And ever since she started doing this she feels her life has been getting better, she eats better, she exercise more and she just feels better about life period.

She's so deep into it, now she's thinking about moving to Kansas to be around him and his people.

I worry about her so much and it's hard to talk to her about it cause I'm afraid of hurting her. I'm all that she has, and even at my age i see that whatever she is in, it's not good.

They made things make since to her and helped her through some things. But i see it as manipulation.

I don't want to fully down what's going on, being that i don't know anything about the Muslims or any of that stuff, but i do want to at least try and steer her in the right direction.

VDub you mom is in a ****ing sect and its youre DUTY as her Son to get her the **** outta there!

If a man claims to be GOD and hes waiting for an modda****in MOTHERSHIP to pick him off then he's definately a leader of a sect
i mean the paradise in kansas? KANSAS?

get your moms outta there and confront her with reality! everything else wuda be wrong man! and u gon regret it for the rest of your life cus these people are dangerous!

trust me there enough sad examples!

get your mom away from those people!!!

 

[K-1ne]

Papoose is a 5% but he rocks a Christ piece?

I'm a 1 percenter myself.

 

[las7154]

You see nothing wrong with that? I hear what you're saying but how can you admire something that is not the truth? I mean how do one equate that into something is not wrong? If I taught you from a baby and apple is an orange and when you get older come to find out I taught you wrong, will you respect that? Just asking.

the truth according to who?...just because u believe in something does not make it so...u cant even prove to me your allah exists....but it's true?....

people used to believe the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth...were they correct?...was it true?....