How Does Vybe, Johnny Juliano, Superstar O Get There Mixes Soooooo Crisp?....

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Rapper's Friend said:
lol I never heard of Vybz Kartel before, but we're talking about Vybe, he's a producer.

He sells his beats on soundclick

SoundClick artist: Vybe Beatz - The Hottest Music Production Online Period.

Hey for some of the older members on here, didn't vybe post here at one point?
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yeah i didn't think you were talking about vybz cartel seeing as how he's just a singer. lol. his tracks sound fine to me. i don't hear anything wrong with his mids or anything. but again, professionals would know better. /:-)

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yeah i didn't think you were talking about vybz cartel seeing as how he's just a singer. lol. his tracks sound fine to me. i don't hear anything wrong with his mids or anything. but again, professionals would know better. /:-)
 
acetheface954 said:
But this cant be intentional EQing. i think the kick wasn't harmed in the process because it doesn't have a lot of high end.
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Doesn't matter. A low pass filter on the entire track works on the entire track, if the kick still has prominent frequencies in the 16khz-18khz range then that means it wasn't low passed as the other instruments were since there's barely any high frequency information for the rest of the instruments.
 
so you all think hes using nothing but software?....i think he has to be using at least a little bit of hardware to get the sound he gets...
 
Agreed. And with that its experimentation time. I'm going to lpf the high end of a professional mix and see what happens.

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You ever try asking him if what you're seeing is accurate or not? Because I believe that high end cut is solely being done intentionally by whatever website it came from.
 
I think the only way to tell how much hardware/software he uses is to ask Vybe himself.

I agree with Ace. After talking about it, I went and analyzed other songs from other artists on soundclick and they are all cut at the same frequency. It's definitely due to quality. However, it did seem like there was ever so slightly some 16khz+ frequencies when the kick hit on "SheCold". I think that it's incidental though, not that he cut everything but the kick. The high frequencies in the kick probably were lucky and didn't get caught in the void of sample/bit rate finiteness. I'm guessing the high frequencies elsewhere probably were easier to cut since there was less movement going on as far as the wave form goes. And you have to remember that this is all very very subtle.
 
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Rapper's Friend said:
I think the only way to tell how much hardware/software he uses is to ask Vybe himself.

I agree with Ace. After talking about it, I went and analyzed other songs from other artists on soundclick and they are all cut at the same frequency. It's definitely due to quality. However, it did seem like there was ever so slightly some 16khz+ frequencies when the kick hit on "SheCold". I think that it's incidental though, not that he cut everything but the kick. The high frequencies in the kick probably were lucky and didn't get caught in the void of sample/bit rate finiteness. I'm guessing the high frequencies elsewhere probably were easier to cut since there was less movement going on as far as the wave form goes. And you have to remember that this is all very very subtle.
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yeah i couldn't get why the kick wasn't harmed either. that i suppose comes with greater experience. but at least you now know that those tracks were tampered with and are not supposed to look like that in the spectrum envelope. internet and radio will do it to you every time.
 
Rapper's Friend said:
However, it did seem like there was ever so slightly some 16khz+ frequencies when the kick hit on "SheCold". I think that it's incidental though, not that he cut everything but the kick. The high frequencies in the kick probably were lucky and didn't get caught in the void of sample/bit rate finiteness. I'm guessing the high frequencies elsewhere probably were easier to cut since there was less movement going on as far as the wave form goes. And you have to remember that this is all very very subtle.
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Nope, impossible. Nothing gets lucky and gets past any kind of filter. A low pass filter on the master would of taken out everything including the HF from the kick. He bussed everything except the kick and lowpassed the bus.

Some accurate analysis..

Frequency response of entire track. Scooped mids?
http://i54.tinypic.com/91bhtv.jpg

Same response but linear. You can see the roll off starting from 15khz. mp3 compression usually starts at 16khz.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2lxyxlf.jpg

While playing, linear view, fast averaging to catch frequency response between the kick. Low pass filter evident.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2z4wvfb.jpg

Same as above but right at the kick sample. Notice the high frequnecy. A low pass filter and/or soundclick/youtube conversion would of caught that as the rest pictured above.
http://i54.tinypic.com/10oqhox.jpg

What happened? Who knows. What do I know? Improper mixing happened. Tracks like this shouldn't be used as a reference for quality. Try some commercial nowadays music(not urban) if you want to hear good mixing. Use that as a reference for clarity. After you understand the concept of good sounding mixes, then make small changes according to genre(ex: prominent low end found in hip hop music, etc). I am not a hip hop producer, I don't make hip hop music. I don't business about other producers; I have no clue who JJ or vybe is much less anyone. Just tryna help out any way I can. :)
 
So like Ace, I went and did some experimenting. I went and exported some of my songs at a super low quality (16kbps bit rate and 8khz sample rate) and here's what they look like:

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X, the upper frequencies ARE NOT BEING CUT BY A FILTER! It's a SIDE-EFFECT of low quality audio files. Yes, it's very possible for high frequencies to get lucky and escape. On the song I was analyzing in the pic, I noticed that high end frequencies were escaping whenever my clap played. Of course, since it's MY song, I can tell you with full certainty that I did NOT low pass everything but the clap.

As you can see, the frequency drop line is far lower in this pic than in my last ones. That's because I obviously exported the songs at a far lower quality than soundclick uses. I suppose I could increase the quality until I get to the same point as the audio files on soundclick. Then I'd be able to tell what kind of audio quality soundclick allows.

I really don't think vybe has scooped mids. At least, he does not put a filter on his whole track. His upper frequencies aren't playing all the time, though, so when you calculate the average it might look like he filters out those frequencies. And like I said before, he DOES give room for vocals.
 
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Rapper's Friend said:
So whatever he does, he definitely does NOT do this!
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I still think he does...



By the way that comment about commercial mixing, pop music might not sound good to you, but the translation for different systems is incredible compared to other genres. Jazz music sounds sh*t on most consumer speakers, whereas pop sounds great just about everywhere. So you might not like the sound, but the engineering work required outdoes any other genre.

IMO ofcourse
 
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ScorchinBeats said:
I still think he does...



By the way that comment about commercial mixing, pop music might not sound good to you, but the translation for different systems is incredible compared to other genres. Jazz music sounds sh*t on most consumer speakers, whereas pop sounds great just about everywhere. So you might not like the sound, but the engineering work required outdoes any other genre.

IMO ofcourse
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im not sure about all that...lol
 
Beatz R Us said:
im not sure about all that...lol
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Well it's just an opinion. Actually I take the last part back, classical recordings take more work.

But it's still difficult to get such amazing translation to SOO many different systems. Pop tracks always do that well. There's a reason the engineers get payed big $$.
 
i can make his beats anyday, i just want my own style, i do like his beats tho, but i dnt really want my beats that crisp
 
ScorchinBeats said:
Well it's just an opinion. Actually I take the last part back, classical recordings take more work.

But it's still difficult to get such amazing translation to SOO many different systems. Pop tracks always do that well. There's a reason the engineers get payed big $$.
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Hahaha. Tracking jazz is extremely difficult - and mixing jazz can be even more difficult in certain situations. Stick a drummer and an upright bass player and a trumpet in the same room and try to get a clean, balanced capture of all of them. Honestly, classical recording is significantly easier to get something good - great is another story - but good pretty much shows up if the players are good and have nice instruments. Now - classical EDITING on the other hand - F THAT! That's some work.

Mixing wise, Pop is definitely the toughest genre in my opinion. With Classical 95% of the mix is in the tracking. Jazz, 85% is in the tracking, unless you're doing a MMW or Brad Mehldau thing or even like a Dave Douglas style sound. Rock, it's pretty much in the tracking, 75%. Hip Hop relies heavily on the production, I'd say about 65% of it is dependent on what's happening before the mix. RnB and Pop are really the mix heavy ones where almost half of the production comes around in the mix phase. Then once you hit electronica, there's really no more line between mixing, tracking, and production - it's all shared.
 
WeissSound said:
Hahaha. Tracking jazz is extremely difficult - and mixing jazz can be even more difficult in certain situations. Stick a drummer and an upright bass player and a trumpet in the same room and try to get a clean, balanced capture of all of them. Honestly, classical recording is significantly easier to get something good - great is another story - but good pretty much shows up if the players are good and have nice instruments. Now - classical EDITING on the other hand - F THAT! That's some work.

Mixing wise, Pop is definitely the toughest genre in my opinion. With Classical 95% of the mix is in the tracking. Jazz, 85% is in the tracking, unless you're doing a MMW or Brad Mehldau thing or even like a Dave Douglas style sound. Rock, it's pretty much in the tracking, 75%. Hip Hop relies heavily on the production, I'd say about 65% of it is dependent on what's happening before the mix. RnB and Pop are really the mix heavy ones where almost half of the production comes around in the mix phase. Then once you hit electronica, there's really no more line between mixing, tracking, and production - it's all shared.
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Oh yeah, tracking is a whole different story - but you really think Jazz is difficult? Most of the time there's only like 4 instruments.

What genres do you think are more difficult to MASTER though?
 
You need to be cutting on boundaries of 588 sectors, this is why, even though you are going DAO you are still getting hiccups. Check out a program called CDWAV, its free and will splice up WAVs so that you don't get any gaps (given you burn DAO). Hope this helps.
 
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