How Does Vybe, Johnny Juliano, Superstar O Get There Mixes Soooooo Crisp?....
CarM.I.L.
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To be honest, I can get my drums banging just like theirs, but what makes their mixes so clean is their instruments, they flow perfectly together. In my opinion, it's mostly about sound selection.
tsrecords
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EQ plays a big part to clean.crisp mixes, eq out aveything you cant hear and dont need and youll be on the right path!
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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The problem with doing that to a beat is that most audiophile do something similar with their homesetup, and lots of "engineers(hence the quotes)do that to a finalized song after vocals are added...nomatter how many times I say it no one wants to hear it, BEATS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SOUND LIKE FINALIZED SONGS.
Like this.
A program doesn't give you a finalized professional sound. Your knowhow does. It involves fixing problems that present themselves and capitalizing on sounds that can make you mix more "crisp". A trueengineer can do this in anything from Reason to FL to a Fostex Multitrack that takes cassette tapes. Knowhow>tools.
It takes like 10 minutes max to take a beat from "flat" to the quality to a finalized song...but that defeats the purpose of it being an unfinished peice of work. My question in return to the original one asked is how many JJ and Vybe beats are mixed to shyt after 3rd party vocals are added? Not knocking them, it isn't their fault people don't ask for the audio dry without all the dynamics and processing that makes it sound so "good' without vocals.
Typed from a phone. Sure my grammar sux.
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A_Eberts
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they cut all the midrage out...and it sounds horrible in my opinion
ScorchinBeats
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Totally agreed. BUT everybody else is doing it. From a bussiness perspective, you ain't gonna sell SH*T if you tracks don't sound all polished like that.
Btw, since when do audiophiles scoop mids? I thought they all wanted a natural sounding track... Scooped mids = unnatural
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^I was referring to heavy EQing in general. Audio is supposed to be left "flat" for the consumer to EQ to their liking. Instead we get producers who make over EQ'ed beats follower up by mixing engineers who over EQ finished tracks with vocals added. So that makes the beat over EQ'd to the second power by the time the song's done, lol.
I've sold plenty of "flat" and "quiet" beats btw. Plenty of overprocessed ones end up on albums because i wasn't contacted for the correct mix to record to but I wouldn't give you the track like that.
I've sold plenty of "flat" and "quiet" beats btw. Plenty of overprocessed ones end up on albums because i wasn't contacted for the correct mix to record to but I wouldn't give you the track like that.
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mobeatz
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How about adding compression & limiting to get your volume up with places like SC? I know the final mix isn't supposed to, but do the average buyers understand that their track will sound low and "thin", because it is not mastered?
So for example you bounce down your track and add FX to get the volume up?
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soundahfekz
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There isn't anything "crisp" about dropping all the mids out of a beat. I'm not knocking them (dope producers btw), but what those guys do is the equivalent of "armor alling" a car's interior & wheels down for more appeal, then posting a for sale sign up. Inexperienced artists like big, shiny things, and over processed beats with mids slammed low and hi's jacked way up appeal to them.
There's no way professional clients are receiving beats in this fashion.
There's no way professional clients are receiving beats in this fashion.
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I was being sarcastic... lmao
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^I know you were. I just recognized the irony in the hundreds of others learning on this site who would try it and realize how dead on with "helping" their mix that picture could be.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^I know you were. I just recognized the irony in the hundreds of others learning on this site who would try it and realize how dead on with "helping" their mix that picture could be. :cheers
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^I know you were. I just recognized the irony in the hundreds of others learning on this site who would try it and realize how dead on with "helping" their mix that picture could be. 
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^^^New Phone...my bad.
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^^^New Phone...my bad.
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acetheface954
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knowledge is power my friend. knowledge is power and professional mixing engineers and MEs have it. making beats is one thing. anybody can pretty much make a beat. but to have it sound as it should takes a properly trained entity. so keep learning and growing is all you can do. you'll get it.
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I actually analyzed some of vybe's beats with IL Parametric EQ 2, and it doesn't look like he scooped out any mids. The above is just a snapshot of what his beat looks like with the plug in. In one beat, I found some similar instruments and played them, while analyzing them with the IL Parametric EQ2, and they produced the appropriate frequencies without any EQing of the mids necessary. There is more activity in the upper mid range than shown in my example (since this is exactly ONE POINT in the song), but in general, he does leave plenty of space for vocals.
The curve previously illustrated is more like a mastering curve to fix people's beats that have no "boom" to them and to clarify messy vocals. He probably applies EQ to individual instruments, but does NOT apply a curve like the previously illustrated one to the entire mix.
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ScorchinBeats
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I actually analyzed some of vybe's beats with IL Parametric EQ 2, and it doesn't look like he scooped out any mids. The above is just a snapshot of what his beat looks like with the plug in. In one beat, I found some similar instruments and played them, while analyzing them with the IL Parametric EQ2, and they produced the appropriate frequencies without any EQing of the mids necessary. There is more activity in the upper mid range than shown in my example (since this is exactly ONE POINT in the song), but in general, he does leave plenty of space for vocals.
The curve previously illustrated is more like a mastering curve to fix people's beats that have no "boom" to them and to clarify messy vocals. He probably applies EQ to individual instruments, but does NOT apply a curve like the previously illustrated one to the entire mix.
A few things wrong with that screenshot.
1. It is just ONE sample of music which is less than /14000th of a second.
2. You seem to have picked a section during the kick drum which would emphasize bass
3. Look at the upper mids, almost nothing. Not much at 200-1.5k as well
I'm sure he doesn't just put that eq on the master. But what he does is eq each instrument more of a less like that, and in the end it accumulates and sounds scooped.
~X~
Word+Sound+Power= Music
It sounds like that right?? If someone told me make a track sound like theirs thats what I would do but I put it up to ridicule the quality of these producers music. I would never recommend anyone to do that. You don't have to mutilate an instrument/mix JUST to make space and have it sound good. For everyone else talking about mixing/mastering techniques and monitoring systems that these producers use, thats what they need to follow, cuz if they did. their mixes would sounds 200 percent better at the least.
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@ScorchinBeats, since it was only one point in time, it was pretty much impossible to get a screenshot with all parts of the spectrum being used. I didn't want to have to take a ton of screenshots, but I guess it can't be helped. Like I said, there is more activity in that range than my example showed. Here's another sample from the same song at a different instance. The only thing that's safe to say that he cuts on the master seems to be half way past the 10k section. All the beats I analyzed were cut at the same point with almost no activity past that point. To best understand what I'm talking about, you should analyze it yourself. It doesn't sound scooped at all; but it DOES sound crisp like the OP was saying.
~X~
Word+Sound+Power= Music
@ScorchinBeats, since it was only one point in time, it was pretty much impossible to get a screenshot with all parts of the spectrum being used. I didn't want to have to take a ton of screenshots, but I guess it can't be helped. Like I said, there is more activity in that range than my example showed. Here's another sample from the same song at a different instance. The only thing that's safe to say that he cuts on the master seems to be half way past the 10k section. All the beats I analyzed were cut at the same point with almost no activity past that point. To best understand what I'm talking about, you should analyze it yourself. It doesn't sound scooped at all; but it DOES sound crisp like the OP was saying.
I'd like to hear this instrumental myself.