Hezekiah Get's LAUNCHED OUT THE CLOSET! DISTRICT!

[SifuBeats]

Logic....wow...wat a way to look at things....can you logically explain how we got here?....can you logically explain wat our purpose is?.....can you logically explain the reason people are born only to die in the end?....no you cant....which is why sometimes you just got to have faith

Yeah...it's called science and evolution. We are a product of a sess pool that harbored single cell organisms. As time went on we EVOLVED. Are so close minded that you can't look at a chart of evolution and see where we came from? We die due to the aging of our organs and failure in the end. Not to mention diseases. Our purpose, in an animalistic sesnse, is to mate and die. In a spiritual sense, it's to be as good of people as we can cause "we're all judged by some dude who hides in the clouds." There's a time for religion and there's a time for common sense...when will you be able to decifer the difference?

 

[cappachino]

common sense?....wow...even if we evolved like you say....what put the world and universe here?....and what made that sess pool that harbored the single cell organisms?....you have no logical explanation for that

 

[Woodcock]

Most cult leaders predict such things. Its not prophecy, its just the reality of believing things that do not exist, people tend to think you are a little off your rocker. no offence.

Heres a thought. Most athiest believe that the only one that controls destiny is themselves. So I have to ask if you are athiest and in control. How come you did not have control over being put on this earth? If there is no higher power how did you get here.

Now lets talk logic

How do you know a building is standing?

Because you can see it.

How did that building get there?

Someone had to have built it.

So how is it logical that everything we see here on earth just came about with out a builder?

Hmm.....Your the logical one can you explain.

I dont care for facts because the point of Jeaudism and Christianity is based on faith. Nobody that says god doesnt exist can prove it. Nobody that says he does can either. But there are more then most possiblities that he does then he doesnt. SO I would rather take my chances.

 

[puffedoutproductions]

it's called science and evolution.

Don't separate the two. It may be semantics, but religious people have a tendency to attack evolution with their pre-Bacon/Descartes mindsets, not realizing that if they applied the same line of thinking to all science, they would not have the computer they use to type their airy nothings about spirits and magic that makes everything tick.

 

[Woodcock]

Yeah...it's called science and evolution. We are a product of a sess pool that harbored single cell organisms. As time went on we EVOLVED. Are so close minded that you can't look at a chart of evolution and see where we came from? We die due to the aging of our organs and failure in the end. Not to mention diseases. Our purpose, in an animalistic sesnse, is to mate and die. In a spiritual sense, it's to be as good of people as we can cause "we're all judged by some dude who hides in the clouds." There's a time for religion and there's a time for common sense...when will you be able to decifer the difference?

Heres a thought. Most athiest believe that the only one that controls destiny is themselves. So I have to ask if you are athiest and in control. How come you did not have control over being put on this earth? If there is no higher power how did you get here.

Now lets talk logic

How do you know a building is standing?

Because you can see it.

How did that building get there?

Someone had to have built it.

So how is it logical that everything we see here on earth just came about with out a builder?

Hmm.....Your the logical one can you explain.

I dont care for facts because the point of Jeaudism and Christianity is based on faith. Nobody that says god doesnt exist can prove it. Nobody that says he does can either. But there are more then most possiblities that he does then he doesnt. SO I would rather take my chances.

You have a chart that goes from monkeys to humans. Wheres the chart from being a frog in a pond to who knows what then a monkey?

If evolution is true. Who created the concept?

 

[cappachino]

Heres a thought. Most athiest believe that the only one that controls destiny is themselves. So I have to ask if you are athiest and in control. How come you did not have control over being put on this earth? If there is no higher power how did you get here.

Now lets talk logic

How do you know a building is standing?

Because you can see it.

How did that building get there?

Someone had to have built it.

So how is it logical that everything we see here on earth just came about with out a builder?

Hmm.....Your the logical one can you explain.

I dont care for facts because the point of Jeaudism and Christianity is based on faith. Nobody that says god doesnt exist can prove it. Nobody that says he does can either. But there are more then most possiblities that he does then he doesnt. SO I would rather take my chances.

 

[puffedoutproductions]

Heres a thought. Most athiest believe that the only one that controls destiny is themselves. So I have to ask if you are athiest and in control. How come you did not have control over being put on this earth? If there is no higher power how did you get here.

Now lets talk logic

How do you know a building is standing?

Because you can see it.

How did that building get there?

Someone had to have built it.

So how is it logical that everything we see here on earth just came about with out a builder?

Hmm.....Your the logical one can you explain.

I dont care for facts because the point of Jeaudism and Christianity is based on faith. Nobody that says god doesnt exist can prove it. Nobody that says he does can either. But there are more then most possiblities that he does then he doesnt. SO I would rather take my chances.

I appraciate your non-emotionally charged discourse #1. it is refreshing to have people willing to talk without getting all worked up. I will reason your point. You are using the "watch in the sand" analogy. very persuasive rhetoric i must admit.

The fact of the matter is that your analogy is not accurate. there is nothing in organic life that is truly analogious to a building/watch/what have you. The reason for this is that buildings do not reproduce, and they are not made of organic materials, among other things. So a building is evidence of design, a living organism is not. The organism can easily be built through natural selection, albeit with flaws. there are many pointless flaws in the organism.

As for "everything on earth"..."everything on earth" is not that orderly. We can see from the geological record that there have been many times life as was known had been completely wiped out. What evidence of design have you seen that requires a creator? There really is none, but i will adress any you bring up, in specifics.

But remember, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. God is certainly an extraordinary claim.

 

[SifuBeats]

If evolution is true. Who created the concept?

Man discovered the concept and evolution is witnessed everyday through different species adapting to their enviornments. Darwin pointed it out.

I'm not saying I don't belive in a god, I think it to be pompous and ignorant to belive that YOUR god is the only right one, and everyone who opposes him goes to hell. As someone pointed out that faith is a spawn of uncertainty...therefore who the f@ck knows who or what is after. You have to be an idiot to belive that Jesus and St. Pete are gonna be sitting there with frosty mugs of never ending beer while surrounded by juggy babes welcoming you with a smile. Common sense here people...and a common sense question: How the f@ck do you know?

 

[puffedoutproductions]

To continue, everything on earth is made with molecules readily available in space/solar system. A building is clearly an un-natural structure made from concentrated amounts of elements/molecules that are not found in high concentration anywhere naturally, and does not sustain itself through reproduction. So of course that points to a builder to assemble those materials. Life, on the other hand, is a series of chemical reactions inside an oil membrane called a cell. the cell get bigger and splits in two like a bubble. over time it gets more complex through natural selection, then joins up with other bubbles to make a multicellular organism....billions of years of evolution later, you have very complex arrangements of little "bubbles". us. no God necessary for direction. If he did, he did a bad job considering all of our flaws.

 

[cappachino]

If evolution is true. Who created the concept?

Man discovered the concept and evolution is witnessed everyday through different species adapting to their enviornments. Darwin pointed it out.

I'm not saying I don't belive in a god, I think it to be pompous and ignorant to belive that YOUR god is the only right one, and everyone who opposes him goes to hell. As someone pointed out that faith is a spawn of uncertainty...therefore who the f@ck knows who or what is after. You have to be an idiot to belive that Jesus and St. Pete are gonna be sitting there with frosty mugs of never ending beer while surrounded by juggy babes welcoming you with a smile. Common sense here people...and a common sense question: How the f@ck do you know?

of course you would be an idiot to think that Jesus and Peter would be there with beer and fine women....that opposes wat Jesus stands for....but yes, MY God is the only god in my eyes and the people who refuse to accept him as their lord and savior will go to hell...im sorry, that is the way i feel....but who knows...we wont find out until we die

 

[puffedoutproductions]

that is the way i feel

And thus is the nature of faith. You can't argue with that.

Much better than delving into pseudo-sciences to try to justify your faith's supposed truth, as Christains have been doing with this whole ID movement.

Has anyone ever seen those "creation science magazines" lol what a tabloid joke!

 

[Woodcock]

I appraciate your non-emotionally charged discourse #1. it is refreshing to have people willing to talk without getting all worked up. I will reason your point. You are using the "watch in the sand" analogy. very persuasive rhetoric i must admit.

The fact of the matter is that your analogy is not accurate. there is nothing in organic life that is truly analogious to a building/watch/what have you. The reason for this is that buildings do not reproduce, and they are not made of organic materials, among other things. So a building is evidence of design, a living organism is not. The organism can easily be built through natural selection, albeit with flaws. there are many pointless flaws in the organism.

As for "everything on earth"..."everything on earth" is not that orderly. We can see from the geological record that there have been many times life as was known had been completely wiped out. What evidence of design have you seen that requires a creator? There really is none, but i will adress any you bring up, in specifics.

But remember, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. God is certainly an extraordinary claim.

I commend your logical sense on the subject. Because it takes logic from both sides not just feelings and rants.

I would say that even more design went into the idea of a world that can create on its own to supply living organism's with what they need to live. From plants to animals, humans are the dominant being. It would be rather incredulous to believe everything is here with no creator or means behind it. Life has died and re-supplied multiple times. Evolution or not one has to come to terms that something extraordinary is behind it. Because the fact that everything here can re spawn unlike most planets is extraordinary.

 

[Woodcock]

If evolution is true. Who created the concept?

Im not talking about Darwin.

 

[Woodcock]

no God necessary for direction. If he did, he did a bad job considering all of our flaws.

Well the creator of the universe and all the molecules that make us is necessary.

As for doing a bad job.

Its like when Adam blamed God for giving him a women. God said that man is responsible for his own actions. He created us and we can do whats right or we can do whats wrong.

If we want to cover mental illness in that. Science shows that most people that go astray with the brain is due to over imagining or they are so caught up in there thoughts that they malfunction.

As for retarted children science has shown cases of most mothers that stood next to microwaves while pregnant to be a case also.

There are many factors for many things.

There is a saying that says

There are a million reasons not to do something.

It could also be

There are a million reasons not to believe in something.

But usually when you step against all those reasons not to do something. You find it was the one right decision to make in your life.

 

[puffedoutproductions]

I would say that even more design went into the idea of a world that can create on its own to supply living organism's with what they need to live. From plants to animals, humans are the dominant being. It would be rather incredulous to believe everything is here with no creator or means behind it. Life has died and re-supplied multiple times. Evolution or not one has to come to terms that something extraordinary is behind it. Because the fact that everything here can re spawn unlike most planets is extraordinary.

1. Humans have not always been the dominant being. It was a long bloody struggle to the top.

2. Its actually not that incredulous. The thing is you have to go with the best theories available. To attribute everything you do not know to magic/god is intellectual laziness. At the rate we are going, humans should have been able to deduce the precise steps of lifes origins in a couple centuries tops. great strides are being made everyday in the theories of abiogenesis. It wasnt a matter of respawning, it was more a matter of life not getting wiped all the way out, and re-evolving. Hardiness does not have to be a result of divine intervention.

3. Earth is not that special. As our telescopes get better and better, we are able to detect more and more earth-like planets around other stars. Mars and venus were both once very much like earth.

Woodcock, to mentally engage yourself more on this topic, please visit www.talkorigins.org . They do a very good job discussing ID talking points like yours.

Of course i am willing to continue to discuss anything you bring up as well, that wasnt a "cop-out" just FWI, lol.

 

[OsamaPigLatin]

Yo seriously.....




God's gonna strike y'all muphukas hard drives if y'all keep up with this bullshyt talk about him not existing.




God is real. I've seen him...everytime I look at my son I see him.



'Nuff said. Buh Bye.

 

[Woodcock]

1. Humans have not always been the dominant being. It was a long bloody struggle to the top.

2. Its actually not that incredulous. The thing is you have to go with the best theories available. To attribute everything you do not know to magic/god is intellectual laziness. At the rate we are going, humans should have been able to deduce the precise steps of lifes origins in a couple centuries tops. great strides are being made everyday in the theories of abiogenesis. It wasnt a matter of respawning, it was more a matter of life not getting wiped all the way out, and re-evolving. Hardiness does not have to be a result of divine intervention.

3. Earth is not that special. As our telescopes get better and better, we are able to detect more and more earth-like planets around other stars. Mars and venus were both once very much like earth.

Woodcock, to mentally engage yourself more on this topic, please visit www.talkorigins.org . They do a very good job discussing ID talking points like yours.

Of course i am willing to continue to discuss anything you bring up as well, that wasnt a "cop-out" just FWI, lol.

I thought id repost this


There are many factors for many things.

There is a saying that says

There are a million reasons not to do something.

It could also be

There are a million reasons not to believe in something.

But usually when you step against all those reasons not to do something. You find it was the one right decision to make in your life.

 

[Woodcock]

1. Humans have not always been the dominant being. It was a long bloody struggle to the top.

But of all things to survive it was man.

2. Its actually not that incredulous. The thing is you have to go with the best theories available. To attribute everything you do not know to magic/god is intellectual laziness. At the rate we are going, humans should have been able to deduce the precise steps of lifes origins in a couple centuries tops. great strides are being made everyday in the theories of abiogenesis. It wasnt a matter of respawning, it was more a matter of life not getting wiped all the way out, and re-evolving. Hardiness does not have to be a result of divine intervention.

I understand all that. But if it is simple science should be able to re create from scratch if it did not take something extraordinary to create us.

3. Earth is not that special. As our telescopes get better and better, we are able to detect more and more earth-like planets around other stars. Mars and venus were both once very much like earth.

But earth is special because its the only planet that we know of that hosts living creatures like ourselves.

Woodcock, to mentally engage yourself more on this topic, please visit www.talkorigins.org . They do a very good job discussing ID talking points like yours.

Cool ill check it out.

Of course i am willing to continue to discuss anything you bring up as well, that wasnt a "cop-out" just FWI, lol.

I responed in the quote

 

[puffedoutproductions]

Well the creator of the universe and all the molecules that make us is necessary.

As for doing a bad job.

Its like when Adam blamed God for giving him a women. God said that man is responsible for his own actions. He created us and we can do whats right or we can do whats wrong.

If we want to cover mental illness in that. Science shows that most people that go astray with the brain is due to over imagining or they are so caught up in there thoughts that they malfunction.

As for retarted children science has shown cases of most mothers that stood next to microwaves while pregnant to be a case also.

There are many factors for many things.

There is a saying that says

There are a million reasons not to do something.

It could also be

There are a million reasons not to believe in something.

But usually when you step against all those reasons not to do something. You find it was the one right decision to make in your life.

Well, if you read the string theory in quantum physics, molecules/atoms/empty space are all a form of a singular one-dimensional string. As for who made all this, who says everything reqires a maker? who made the maker? see how pointless that line of thought is?

I am not going to get into specifics of genetic deformities, because we all know there is a proven genetic basis for a multitude of illnesses/afflictions.

It is really a shame that science education in america is so lacking that science to people seems like a new strange religion as opposed to testable theories built over ages of expiramentation. ( this not directed at you per se)

 

[puffedoutproductions]

I thought id repost this


There are many factors for many things.

There is a saying that says

There are a million reasons not to do something.

It could also be

There are a million reasons not to believe in something.

But usually when you step against all those reasons not to do something. You find it was the one right decision to make in your life.

I hear you, but if there are no reasons, i won't do it. just me i guess.

I actually used to be hard-core Christian like Traxx...man those were crazy days for me lol.