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sensorium said:
thats what i mean! the melody is the barrier. its kind of more like remix i guess when you do that. eh, oh well.
thats what i mean! the melody is the barrier. its kind of more like remix i guess when you do that. eh, oh well.
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yeah only sample to a certain degree not to hold back the creative process........hip-hopking1.
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Well if sampling melodies damages credibility. Why is niggas so hot on Kanye? Talent is talent. You have to have the ear to pick a sample with a dope melody and put with an artist who can take the track to the next level. You have to have a gift to create a something with a keyboard. Neither one is greater than the other just different.
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universoul said:
eh, kanyes dope n one of my fav artist....but what he does is pretty creative....im talkin bout the total rip off artist like diddy...
still ive messed with same records kanye uses. and actually had no problem remaking his songs. had fun doin it to. hes somewhat overhyped, what he does is easy, but sounds complicated. his drums are crazy though, but he usually sticks to the same pattern, he even says it himself. if aint broke, dont fix it i guess.
PS kanye hires wonderful musicians like miri ben ari (the hot violinist) to play instruments such as the strings for his tracks. so does timbaland, so does diddy. so do the neptunes. and so on.
but your still right, its all in the ear. you can give 100 producers the same record, and maybe 5 will make something trully creative
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universoul said:
disclaimer: the following is just my opinion.
The "art" in music is at the two extremes. The extremely complex and the extremely simple. The stuff in the middle is what makes up pop music (Kanye et.al.) This stuff has mass appeal because it lacks artistic ability and it easy on the ears to people who thirst for the same old ****.. As long as you can shake your ass to it and it has some big name producer's name tagged on it, it's top ten (prime example, the new Snoop and Pharell song YUCK!). These guys may have cred. with all the 14 year olds, but any real musician knows that MTV plays nothing but teenie-bopper crap.
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sensorium said:
lol....maybe true
but like i said, all the top name producers hire really, really good musicians. kanyes tracks lack artistic ability? they are probably the most creative things to come out of hip hop in years! the snoop song? that pretty much pure hip hop right there.
you have to remember, hip hop as a musical style was never very intricate. its the simplicity and the cornucopia of different sources mixed into one song that makes it "hip hop". true, hip hop is not orchestral or chamber music, but neither is punk rock. punk rock is the same 2 or 3 chords in almost every song ever made.
punk rock is less musical than hip hop if you put in your terms. bts its still a musical style that works well, especially to its fan base.
hip hop was born by discecting and mashing together music from different genres. when that stops, hip hop is officially dead. thats the wonerful thing about hip hop. it can practically be anything you want it to be. its clay in your hands, and the world wants to see your collage.
are art peices from MoMA less creative because they are made from non traditional mediums such as soda cans, or aluminum from a car door. NO! in actuallity they are more creative!
IMO you are far more creative if you can take something from 5 different songs, warp the sounds, mix in your own spice...and BAM have something that makes people bob thier heads!
for ex: many pop composers have workstations. most workstations have the same sounds, and presets (which what they mostly use). whats so creative about that. wow, so you can play a few notes in sequence. so can millions of others!
people like kanye CREATE their own sound libraries. and then play those sounds in a sequence. thats freakin creative!
in conclusion: if you can take some wood planks and make me a table (pop composers), thats nice. but if you can take those wooden planks and make me an airplane (kanye west), then im impressed!
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WELL SAID, I AGREE 100%
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Dr Dre samples from his live bassist.
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Different type of bass line with effects on them will make them sound better.
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for a rollin and scratching nu one
dre have "real" musicians jammin and he cuts through to keep what he needs
that means real bass do, with some fully-furnished racks
for synths he mainly uses a triton and a virus...
for a rollin and scratching nu one
dre have "real" musicians jammin and he cuts through to keep what he needs
that means real bass do, with some fully-furnished racks
for synths he mainly uses a triton and a virus...
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yeah play around wid your bass and the effects......u'll probably get a better bass than dre's.
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What would Dre say?
no but this entire thread is hip hop in some way i agree with all the arguments
but i sure do love the sound of alot of the westcoast basslines i.e. the gta: san andreas theme song and alot of g funk type westcoast hiphop beats. does n e one know where i could find a bass sound like that?
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no but this entire thread is hip hop in some way i agree with all the arguments
but i sure do love the sound of alot of the westcoast basslines i.e. the gta: san andreas theme song and alot of g funk type westcoast hiphop beats. does n e one know where i could find a bass sound like that?
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HyLyte said:
probably any synth ever built known to man that can make a sound from 2 sine waves, but somewhere in the lower octaves
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Dre (or Scot Storch) or whoever's producing is musically pretty simple (compared to others like lil' John).
The phat sound comes from the use of real instruments. The bass parts are all done live.
The phat sound comes from the use of real instruments. The bass parts are all done live.
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trippinonego said:
lol...ROFLMAO
did you just say scott storch, the goddam keyboard player for the ROOTS, his music is "simpler" than lil john?
ROFLMAO. lil john uses the same drum patter in every song. its identical. the only reason hes even getting props is because crunk is trendy, and his synth melodies (although extremely simle- just look at usher's "yeah", hot but a joke to make) sound hot & trendy.
thanks for the laugh man, that was the greatest thing ive heard in years. whats next, the whistle is more of an istrument than a Motif?
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I'm saying whoever did the tracks on Dre's last two albums.
They're all pretty simple and lil' John's stuff is alot more musical.
I haven't followed much of Scott Storch but just because your a virtuoso keyboardist doesn't mean you know a damn thing about composing a beat.
There's alot of virtuoso's out there. Look at Stevie Ray Vaughn, amazing guitarist but can't write worth squat, IMO. Put him under the direction of someone with some arrangement skill like Bowie and you get amazing results.
and you think lil' John uses the 'same drum pattern' in every song? hehe. That's like saying all rock music uses the same drum pattern.
They're all pretty simple and lil' John's stuff is alot more musical.
I haven't followed much of Scott Storch but just because your a virtuoso keyboardist doesn't mean you know a damn thing about composing a beat.
There's alot of virtuoso's out there. Look at Stevie Ray Vaughn, amazing guitarist but can't write worth squat, IMO. Put him under the direction of someone with some arrangement skill like Bowie and you get amazing results.
and you think lil' John uses the 'same drum pattern' in every song? hehe. That's like saying all rock music uses the same drum pattern.
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no offense. i just thought you were tryin to hate on dre & storch.
your right, im not sure if they can score musically. but storch obviously knows how to play. yo dont have to read or write sheet msuic to be a great msuician. case in point, Jimi Hendrix, or Louie Armstrong.
lil john does use the same drum pattern in all his songs, he just changes the sounds.
IMO storch is a far better player and composer than lil john. lil john plays simple catchy melodies. thats all there is too his music besides the wild syth sounds, and the bottoms shakin bass.
storch makes actual music while lil john makes party joints. i like lil johns stuff, but anyone can make something that simple. IMO he is a fad, and in due time he will pass too.
remember everybody was sweating the neptunes? that surely has died down
your right, im not sure if they can score musically. but storch obviously knows how to play. yo dont have to read or write sheet msuic to be a great msuician. case in point, Jimi Hendrix, or Louie Armstrong.
lil john does use the same drum pattern in all his songs, he just changes the sounds.
IMO storch is a far better player and composer than lil john. lil john plays simple catchy melodies. thats all there is too his music besides the wild syth sounds, and the bottoms shakin bass.
storch makes actual music while lil john makes party joints. i like lil johns stuff, but anyone can make something that simple. IMO he is a fad, and in due time he will pass too.
remember everybody was sweating the neptunes? that surely has died down
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Personally I dont like what I've heard from the Neptunes (mostly Snoop tracks). It's easy to listen to but their beats are kind of stiff.
Plus I dont think good arrangement is about being able to read music. It's all about hearing the sounds and knowing what to put where.
I'm not sure why you think lil Jon is a "fad" when he's dropping hits like nothing. It's not easy as you think or else everyone would be doing it.
So what should I listen to from Scott Storch? Give me something that's on the same level as 'Get Low' or 'Freak-a-leek'
Plus I dont think good arrangement is about being able to read music. It's all about hearing the sounds and knowing what to put where.
I'm not sure why you think lil Jon is a "fad" when he's dropping hits like nothing. It's not easy as you think or else everyone would be doing it.
So what should I listen to from Scott Storch? Give me something that's on the same level as 'Get Low' or 'Freak-a-leek'
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no need to laugh, but that certainly is the first time I've ever heard anyone call Lil Jon more musically advanced then Dr. Dre (or anyone for that matter)
& you've got it backwards about his drums
he uses the same 808 bass drum & clap in every beat but the patterns are different, have you even heard anything of his that's not a single, like T.I.'s "Stand Up"? when have you ever heard that drum pattern on any song by anbody?
& you can't call him a fad when he was Jermaine Dupri's A&R for SoSoDef long before you even knew who he was, he was the genius behind all of the SoSoDef Bass All-Stars compilations
Scott Storch is way more musical because he is a musician first (although its majority self-training) & Lil Jon is a DJ first, but what do you have to say about Mario's "Let Me Love You Remix" where he took a bite out of Lil Jon's steez?
& you've got it backwards about his drums
he uses the same 808 bass drum & clap in every beat but the patterns are different, have you even heard anything of his that's not a single, like T.I.'s "Stand Up"? when have you ever heard that drum pattern on any song by anbody?
& you can't call him a fad when he was Jermaine Dupri's A&R for SoSoDef long before you even knew who he was, he was the genius behind all of the SoSoDef Bass All-Stars compilations
Scott Storch is way more musical because he is a musician first (although its majority self-training) & Lil Jon is a DJ first, but what do you have to say about Mario's "Let Me Love You Remix" where he took a bite out of Lil Jon's steez?