Does No Snitching Hurt or Help?

[KelevraOne]

Like the title says. Does it help or hurt neighborhoods? I understand the root concept, but at times it seems to do way more harm than good.

 

[benji2]

When you can send a repeat violent offender to prison, it usually benefits the community. The key is REPEAT VIOLENT OFFENDER. If a person keeps doing dumb shit, they dont really value their freedom anyway. The danger though comes to the witnesses who testified in court.

 

[Trankwil]

who even subscribes to that notion? isn't it just ghetto thugs and insecure teens? Mature adults speak out if they see an injustice, unless it's one of those people who don't want to get involved. But grown folks don't even have "snitch" in their vocabulary.

 

[Major Scale]

A law abiding citizen who witnesses a crime in their community and reports it to the police is not considered a "Snitch". A Snitch is a person who partakes in illegal activities and crimes and when caught tells on other cohorts or individuals in exchange for a lighter sentence...

 

[Bloody Glove]

Stop snitching is a great thing..at the root..its self preservation...forces black folk to affirm their 5th amendment rights. Many of us get hymed up by what we say post Miranda or about a situation that had nothing to do with us..Police force that shyt, they'll threaten bogus charges on innocent people who they think "might have seen something"....lets not pretend like retaliation isn't real..I've seen little kids and grandmother's get it on these streets for talking.

Way more problems do exponentially more harm:
Abundance of single parent households, underemployment, high unemployment, school dropout, police harassment, abnormally high STD rates, low business development, unchecked mental health disorder, social/behavior disorder, working poor, extreme poverty, lack of access to affordable healthcare, lack of generational wealth, abnormally high incarceration rates for males, unskilled political participation, no politician representation...list goes on.....fix that shyt and the riff raff is controllable like it was pre-intergration.

It boils down to this...black men step up and take control of our community...start with the streets dudes, raise your stature to the point that you can provide economic/social alternative for them...next...police your own communities

This is a producer website but I hope you guy's are developing more ventures than just MUSIC...to many guy's use that as a copout...start other businesses that offer STEADY PAYCHECKS

 

[DaVizzy]

Stop snitching is a great thing..at the root..its self preservation...forces black folk to affirm their 5th amendment rights. Many of us get hymed up by what we say post Miranda or about a situation that had nothing to do with us..Police force that shyt, they'll threaten bogus charges on innocent people who they think "might have seen something"....lets not pretend like retaliation isn't real..I've seen little kids and grandmother's get it on these streets for talking.

This post is dripping with ignorance.

First of all, all that shit you talking about has nothing to do with snitching.

Secondly, no one is going to want to open a business in a neighborhood riddled with crime, not even the people that live there. And if no one calls the police on criminals then how is the crime going to stop.?

Thirdly, I don't see how an innocent, hard working individual has the time or resources to put themselves in harms way to 'police' their own neighborhood. For all the shit you say the cops do, I'd much rather them stand front of a bullet than me. Besides you get a nice chunk of your check taken from you for them to do that shit anyway, so why not just let them and for once in your life see your tax dollars at work.


You seem like the type to have your house robbed and be sitting on a milk crate staring at the wall where your tv used to be patting yourself on the back for being a "real nigga" and not going to the cops.

 

[benji2]

Stop snitching is a great thing..at the root..its self preservation...forces black folk to affirm their 5th amendment rights. Many of us get hymed up by what we say post Miranda or about a situation that had nothing to do with us..Police force that shyt, they'll threaten bogus charges on innocent people who they think "might have seen something"....lets not pretend like retaliation isn't real..I've seen little kids and grandmother's get it on these streets for talking.

Way more problems do exponentially more harm:
Abundance of single parent households, underemployment, high unemployment, school dropout, police harassment, abnormally high STD rates, low business development, unchecked mental health disorder, social/behavior disorder, working poor, extreme poverty, lack of access to affordable healthcare, lack of generational wealth, abnormally high incarceration rates for males, unskilled political participation, no politician representation...list goes on.....fix that shyt and the riff raff is controllable like it was pre-intergration.

It boils down to this...black men step up and take control of our community...start with the streets dudes, raise your stature to the point that you can provide economic/social alternative for them...next...police your own communities

This is a producer website but I hope you guy's are developing more ventures than just MUSIC...to many guy's use that as a copout...start other businesses that offer STEADY PAYCHECKS

Let's say a gang of youths are terrorizing a local community. They sling drugs but more alarming is the fact that they're violent and they've committed a few shootings. They're known to carry multiple firearms and they've taken the local community hostage. Should locals try and assemble their own security forces and take on these armed criminals and risk their immediate lives as well as endanger their loved ones who might be the victims of retaliation or do you leave it to police to address the gang. Let's be realistic. This is not Hollywood, we all know that the young gangs would be able to recruit alot more members who'd be willing to shoot it out. Sure they'd be a few militant old school guys ready to shoot it out but not enough would be willing to put their life on the line as well as risk their freedom going to jail for killing someone. I did see where Detroit and Chicago have vigilante groups but you're delusional if you think that law enforcement will allow Black men to take the law into their own hands. When they do allow it, let me know. It reminds me of a movie I recently saw, where they allow people to kill one day of the year with no threat of prosecution.

 

[Thee3ternal]

No snitching isn't even real.

99.99999 of people looking at enough time will roll over on any and everybody to save themselves.

 

[Bloody Glove]

This post is dripping with ignorance.

First of all, all that shit you talking about has nothing to do with snitching.

Secondly, no one is going to want to open a business in a neighborhood riddled with crime, not even the people that live there. And if no one calls the police on criminals then how is the crime going to stop.?

Thirdly, I don't see how an innocent, hard working individual has the time or resources to put themselves in harms way to 'police' their own neighborhood. For all the shit you say the cops do, I'd much rather them stand front of a bullet than me. Besides you get a nice chunk of your check taken from you for them to do that shit anyway, so why not just let them and for once in your life see your tax dollars at work.


You seem like the type to have your house robbed and be sitting on a milk crate staring at the wall where your tv used to be patting yourself on the back for being a "real nigga" and not going to the cops.

First, all that shyt I'm talking creates the environment for criminal shyt..relieve some of those factor's and we'll have fewer criminals to "snitch" on each other.

Secondly, plenty of Pakistani, Indian, Koreans and Hispanics do..it just the black folks who live their who get hustled into NOT doing for self. All major cities have a "urban economic zone" in which subsidized loans and grants are given to immigrants and "qualified professionals" to START BUSINESSES.. look it up. How else you think Patel, Kim and Mohammad got started? I'm talking black folks running the businesses in their communities not outsiders. How did we stop crime in the 1860's-1900's,10,20,30,40,50's..stronger community bonds..self regulations..no police needed unless it was a murder within a legal municipality which was RARE in black communities.

Thirdly, YOU MAKE TIME! Aren't cop's citizens...people....employee's with benefit's.... families...but majority of them are European and work in black communities. Black men should be setting up our own system to police ourselves. Plenty of communities have neighborhood watch groups and privatized security. The black church, black freemasons, Black Panther's, NOI and 5%er's used to do it but they didn't change the other social factor's Listed in my initial post...so the latter of the group reverted back to being typified as criminals the other two became part of the municipality.

I'm the type of nigga that know's everyone in my neighborhood, check riff raff on streets, has a security system, 2 guard dogs an a gun permit. Do for self, let's stop making excuses. Black men wake up and take initiative. I don't expect women to do this heavy work but for a man it is mandatory.

 

[benji2]

First, all that shyt I'm talking creates the environment for criminal shyt..relieve some of those factor's and we'll have fewer criminals to "snitch" on each other.

Secondly, plenty of Pakistani, Indian, Koreans and Hispanics do..it just the black folks who live their who get hustled into NOT doing for self. All major cities have a "urban economic zone" in which subsidized loans and grants are given to immigrants and "qualified professionals" to START BUSINESSES.. look it up. How else you think Patel, Kim and Mohammad got started? I'm talking black folks running the businesses in their communities not outsiders. How did we stop crime in the 1860's-1900's,10,20,30,40,50's..stronger community bonds..self regulations..no police needed unless it was a murder within a legal municipality which was RARE in black communities.

Thirdly, YOU MAKE TIME! Aren't cop's citizens...people....employee's with benefit's.... families...but majority of them are European and work in black communities. Black men should be setting up our own system to police ourselves. Plenty of communities have neighborhood watch groups and privatized security. The black church, black freemasons, Black Panther's, NOI and 5%er's used to do it but they didn't change the other social factor's Listed in my initial post...so the latter of the group reverted back to being typified as criminals the other two became part of the municipality.

I'm the type of nigga that know's everyone in my neighborhood, check riff raff on streets, has a security system, 2 guard dogs an a gun permit. Do for self, let's stop making excuses. Black men wake up and take initiative. I don't expect women to do this heavy work but for a man it is mandatory.

So, how do you handle the group of thugs I mentioned in my previous post?

 

[Thee3ternal]

As far as business, I think it all goes back to education.

How can we be expected to be smart with out money when our parents weren't?

At 31 I'm just barely learning how to be smart with my money, my parents weren't especially smart with theirs.

I'm not saying we were dirt poor, mom and dad probably made $60K tops combined, but they still had things like credit card debt, and some IMO stupid purchases.

Contrast that with a friend of mine who's parents had good money, most likely because they learned good habits from their parents and so on.

So he and his siblings had money set aside to go away to school, and businesses practically given to them by their parents, things like that really gave them a leg up on being successful.

Not to derail the thread but that's a reason why I get mad when people say slavery doesn't matter today, it absolutely does because Person A's great great great grandfather had little or no education, which resulted in his kids having little more education than he did, and so on and so on.

So now there's a game of "catch up" being played, meanwhile the window to the money is slowly closing (the expanding wealth gap), there are definitely residuals.

If you come from successful stock it's up to you to perpetuate that, if you don't come from successful stock it's up to you to break the cycle (which is harder).

 

[benji2]

No snitching isn't even real.

99.99999 of people looking at enough time will roll over on any and everybody to save themselves.

Exactly!!! The hardest of the hard will turn on each other for freedom. Killers will snitch on other killers if it means they dont have to die in a cell. At least you know that.

 

[Bloody Glove]

Let's say a gang of youths are terrorizing a local community. They sling drugs but more alarming is the fact that they're violent and they've committed a few shootings. They're known to carry multiple firearms and they've taken the local community hostage. Should locals try and assemble their own security forces and take on these armed criminals and risk their immediate lives as well as endanger their loved ones who might be the victims of retaliation or do you leave it to police to address the gang. Let's be realistic. This is not Hollywood, we all know that the young gangs would be able to recruit alot more members who'd be willing to shoot it out. Sure they'd be a few militant old school guys ready to shoot it out but not enough would be willing to put their life on the line as well as risk their freedom going to jail for killing someone. I did see where Detroit and Chicago have vigilante groups but you're delusional if you think that law enforcement will allow Black men to take the law into their own hands. When they do allow it, let me know. It reminds me of a movie I recently saw, where they allow people to kill one day of the year with no threat of prosecution.

LMAO...saw that movie too. Extreme cases cause for extreme measures. I'm saying black men should become economically savvy..preferably in real estate and small business ownership. The rest will solve itself. You can't have a crackhouse if a grown man or a group of grown men buy it, gut's it ,rehab's it and sell's it to a FAMILY ie FATHER IN THE HOUSE..that's critical too. That was my first point..single parent household ran by women needs to GO!

All black men should be armed and strapped...constitutional right! The only thing that is missing is a united community of accountable, responsible father's who can protect their own, this includes appropriate punishing what we deem criminal. We don't need to go O.G and kill everyone.

Everyone should lookup GERRYMANDERING...if you lived in a poverty zone/slum..you know what I'm talking about..it was WAY WORST in the 70's/80's/90's...what happened in the '00's though......you all remember the REAL ESTATE BOOM....cities have blighted communities and tore shyt down...investors came and built up condo's/town homes...they got rid of the criminal shyt...I'm saying black men should bond, build and do the same.....this will include our own security/police.

We can RE-build(because we had it in the 1860's-1960's) our own schools and economic infrastructures, we don't have to kill our misguided kin.

Municipal Police and gerrymandering should not be the solution to our problems....they solve white folk biggest FEAR..or perceived "problem".

 

[Dream Gate]

Snitching in MY opinion:

You're riding down the street, and you happen to see Little Johnny walking and smoking with a bag of weed in his hands. If you call the police and Little Johnny gets arrested. YOU ARE A SNITCH. Little Johnny wasn't doing shit to nobody, but you just had to be an ass, and go out of your way to tattle when he just wanted to get a little high. It wasn't that serious.

Now lets say you didn't snitch in the first scenario, and a few hours later around 10 at night, you see Little Johnny again. This time Little Johnny is with 5 of his niggas. Its 85 degrees outside but you see them putting on ski masks and jumping into a black van with tinted windows and guns, bumping this Lol...



You all of a sudden remember seeing Little Johnny threatening someone on twitter for no reason at all. You call the police. Turns out Little Johnny was about to kill someone. You just saved that person's life. YOU ARE NOT A SNITCH.

Now Little Johnny is running away from the cops in the van. Little Johnny hits a pole, and everyone jumps out and run. Little Johnny is slow as hell. Little Johnny gets caught. If Little Johnny tells who all was with him, he will get a lighter charge. Little Johnny is a little salty that he would be going down alone, so he gives the names of everyone he was with. LITTLE JOHNNY IS A SNITCH! Lol

 

[Bloody Glove]

So, how do you handle the group of thugs I mentioned in my previous post?

Provide the attention, resources and care to convert them to men, then businessmen, then leaders.

 

[benji2]

Provide the attention, resources and care to convert them to men, then businessmen, then leaders.

Are you serious? We're talking about today's generation that come from dsyfunctional homes are angry and violent as hell and have no respect for authority or their elders because they werent raised in a nuturing environment. They're out to make money the only way they can. You think they're gonna voluntarily change their lives and stop their cash flow because some og's started preaching to them. Jail or getting shot or killed is usually how most leave that thug life alone. Those same men who would provide the attention and resources would also be encouraging the community to be active in patrolling the area to reduce crime. They wouldnt be encouraging them to ignore crimes being committed and "Stop Snitching"

 

[ego killer]

i was raised not to snitch, that's how i grew up, that's how i am. however, i realize snitching in some cases can be for the greater good. i just don't do it.

when it comes to the drug game though, snitching is NEVER a good thing IMO. man up and take the charge, don't be a *****.

also it's worth noting that the worst, most violent thugs, killers, etc. are sociopaths/psychopaths. that is, they have no remorse or guilt etc. and are entirely self-motivated/selfish. so they won't feel bad about snitching, at all.

 

[901_Rice_Street]

People often times get the word snitching confused. You don't snitch when you did a crime and try to include the ones that got away just to get the lesser. You a snitch.....a pussy that wanted to do the crime but scared to do the time.

And snitchin happens to the best of them.

I don't trust the police......not that I hate them.....but I've been handcuff too many got damn times for being falsely accused of shit. As they lie sometimes and say they had plenty of complaints on me.....MFER HOW!!!! When I been minding my own business all day.

And majority of the time it is best for you to just keep your damn mouth shut when you see shit. Because the police is not going to be with you 24/7. And people got cousins, brothers, sisters, close friends......who don't appreciate you being a "witness" (not a snitch) that if you had shut your mouth, their relative could be free due to a situation he got in once. So intead of you living life as you normally do, you have to wory about getting your ass whooped or your seed not seeing you any more because you dead for running your mouth. I that shit worth it? What did you gain......to trade your life for one less person off the streets? What? You too scared to get with the community and try to fix the situation? Yeah...because that don't work, right? Because your way is not going to solve nothing for the community nd especially yourself. It's time to move before your mouth get you in trouble......THAT'S YOUR SOLUTION.

 

[Spaceman_Ant]

running the businesses in their communities not outsiders. How did we stop crime in the 1860's-1900's,10,20,30,40,50's..stronger community bonds..self regulations..no police needed


Me and my manz be havin discussions like this all the time...
If not on the topic its spreads to things along the line....
But if neighbors got together say 1-2 weekends out of the month...per 10 mile radius...crime would cut down dramatically ....
Not to mention it would be moral laws of governing rather than Laws ie:

Town Hall Meeting

I know people who have done... coke weed,and got fake perscriptions....
I see nothing wrong with it... it doesn't effect my daily life...

vote yea or nay if you agree.... 7-5 in favor
Vote yea or nay....12-0 crack and heroin off our street

I believe it was a scene on an old Pam Grier movie (Coffey maybe)where the panthers or similar was arresting heroin dealers n kickin them from round the way.....

Facts show that pigs shit where they sleep.... how could you trust an animal so filthy

 

[901_Rice_Street]

The community is not the root of the problem though. People's mindset have to change. That takes decades and generations of people concentrating on breaking the cycle. The problem? Majority of people haven't even started yet. so I guess we have to wait til 2040 and see what happens. Will that generation learn? Can't learn shit if the people who mean the most to you "ain't" teaching. Can;t teach what they have no faith in.

BUT........you can show them by example. Just too bad the wrong examples get to them "first". Instead of that successful uncle, cousin, ect........who are happy to make it out of that situation guiding them. We should never get to a point where we care less that any part of our families struggle. You can't keep buying them shit and sending them money for shit...that ain't helping worth a damn. We can't keep working a bullshit job because it's the only thing we qualify for. We need to run our own family businesses. We need to find the talent within us and invest and expand. But we use excuses just so we can continue living some kind of American dream....even if that dream is only in our head. We can live the rest of our lives in our imagination and be happy. But we all were babies.......we weren't robbing then. Robbing is something you figure out later on in life when you ain't got a damn thing. You know for a fact you can take that shit....even if you can't do math.......you know if you bust somebody in the head you can take their shit. Dope game ain't for everybody. Robbing is though. Because we all know what it takes to do that. But we don't know how to make "life easy"....because nobody wants to teach that to a low life who only knows how to take somebody's shit.