DJM-600 vs Numark EM-460 KAOSS PAD DJ Mixer vs. Roland DJ-2000

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if u wish to talk ot tricky, Just PM him, he's the Roland master, one speciality in the DJ 2000 mixer , i think djm-600 dosent supports it the MIDI clock, u can sync, external equip with the midi clock the DJ 2000 mixer, I've got a DJ 2000 miser and i play MY XP80, a Drum sampler and a INDIAN Acoustic Drums sampler. that machins rocks, can get the machine for , or between 1400 - 1600 $. quit a worth, i'am satisfied with it, and the one more thing, if u just want to crossfade two songs or just crossfade, not scratch, u use the mixers, main crossfader, but if u want to use the DJ 2000 with the Turntable, and scratch on the DJ 2000 mixer, u can use the new CFX2 Crossfader, a new product from Roland, i'am also getting in a week, coz it give a very smtooth, a free control over the cross fade. Th picture is given Below, that is a very nice option, to have.

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Fret no more, EPHEKT, Tricky will come to you when you're ready... :D:D:D:D:D

As for the EFX500, I love it!!!

As for MIDI in/out, it's only good if you're serious about production and/or really into djing X effetcts, drums, samplers, etc... For pure djing purposes I'd go for the DJM, but not for a large margin...
 
DJ2000, cause I'm not a DJ ...?

Alex, I like how you said "TRICKY will come to you when you're ready..." Makes it sound like I'm searching for an Obi Wan-Kanobe character. Guess beat making IS an adventure! ;)

Anyway...

As I continued to read more about the MIDI start stop function and other features about the DJ2000, it seems like it's really more suitable for production purposes. The kind that will give your mix that extra spontaneous DJ feel. ...I hope that made sense?

So, here's the plan: I'm going to hook up an ER-1 with GAMEBOY/NANOLOOP running thorough the ER-1's audio in. The RS7000, MICROCON and VIRUS Indigo will go directly into the mixer. I'll also use the "LITTLE SOUND DJ" on another GAMEBOY into one of the mic-lines.

I don't really want much of anything else [gear] right now. Maybe a KAOSS pad somewhere later on for the LITTLE SOUND DJ/GAMEBOY [for the Speak & Spell voices]. The KAOSS PAD is just such a fun little toy, love that EFX box! But that'll be quite a long time from now.

So what do you guys think of "my plan?" Sound okay for a hobbyist studio? Feels kinda streamlined, yeah?

Also, it seems like the DJ-2000 makes for a great control center, along with the RS7000 to sync everything together as one unit. The DJ-2000 MIDI function and effects are such a plus for me! I think it'll make writing music much more fun. Hopefully, making it that much easier to integrating everything as ONE UNIT.

Jinten, I just figured out the PM function -- I will try to "PM" TRICKY later -- after "Mothers Day". Thanks man.

Okay, thanks again for everyone's help! Later guys! :)
 
u're welcome Ephekt, U're setup is very good and satifying, i've started bring my equipment, i've bought a DJ 2000 mixer, 20 days ago, i hooked up the Xp-80, the RM1x, from a friend of mine, the Roland, Re-800, professional delay and reverb, for the best quality reverb, a VIRUS B, i got it today. and a Roland hard Disk recorder. that ll i have right now, and i think i'll start mixing from tomarrow, just making up mind.:cool:
 
:D:D:D That was just fro fun, Tricky's a long time friend from the onlineDJ.com times...

Anyway, here he is!!! :D
 
yeqah Welcome tricky, He ned u and just tell me more specification and more techniques to use DJ 2000, coz i've get.:D
 
Cool! Tricky is here!

Hey Tricky,

I've heard so much about you from the rest of the fellas here.

Basically , I started this thread cause I'm looking into buying a decent mixer [for what I am willing to pay for].

Originally I was interested in the Pioneer products, the NuMark w/KaossPad, and of course the DJ2000 from Roland. At first It seemed like the DJ-2000 wasn't liked by a lot of DJ's, but it was loved by people who kept it in the studio. Now, I'm not planning on doing any rapid cross fading stuff between turntables for scratching purposes. I mainly what to use it with my production/midi gear.

After talking to everyone, they all told me that for what I'm looking to do, the DJ-2000 would be the way to go.

Also, they said that I should talk to you [Tricky] about the DJ-2000.

....So, why don't you just tell me how much you love your DJ-2000, and whatever other exciting things you feel would be to my benefit.

Rumor has it, you LOVE your DJ-2000 so much, you even sleep with it! ;) So I'd love to hear what you've got to say about it. Thanks man, I look forward to relaying info with you soon. Late. :D
 
ah i c :) alrite here goes i purchased the dj 2000 for the very same reasons as u -- for it to be the control center for MIDI implementation. the sound and build quality of the mixer is fantastic. the eq seperation is out of this world .
the eqs on the channel go down to -16 db which is not a lot frankly but the speration makes up for the not so deep cut.
every channel has a simplified VU indication in a form of a green LED . this led is line interactive as in depending on line signal level the led glows brighter or dimmer. it also blinks with the beat pattern and i use it to help me match beats perfectly . u can get pretty good at it. now i can match beats without using headphones !!
the issolator on the mixer is really phat ! u can use the issolator in conjunction with the grab switch to throw in some really phunky vartiations !

i know ur waiting for me to get to the DSP and midi capabilites..... :p ill get to that part soon enough :)

now commin to the cueing section of the mixer. its all very well laid out. it must be noted that the headphone amp on this mixer is really HOT !
what most ppl forget about here is how u can route ur headphone channle to the sampler.... yes u read it right. the mixer has a seperate sampler out and u can punch in a signal directly into the sampler regardless of channel fader level by selecting the appropriate channel ion ur headphone section pretty nifty if u ask me :D

the corssfader is no good for scratchin but u can get the special crossfader for that. the transform buttons are really awesome they make for some radical transform scratches !

ok DSP time the dsp is the phattest little dsp ive ever come across everything from ear shattering filters to a suttle delay to a phat flange to a professional auto pan.
my fav part of the dsp is the filter. it has to be the phattest filter ever ! its so radical that i dont use the eqs on the channels anymore ! the flanger is a very understated part of the DSP it allows u to throw some rockin modulations to ur programme.
the auto pan i dont use much but im pretty sure it would be very usefull for a full blown setup.
the slicer function is another very underplayed part of the DSP. i use it all the time and u can create some really funky effects on vocal breakdowns !
its a simplified gate and u can BPM sync it to the music to create atmospheric build ups !
im not going to go deep into the dsp function cause i can just go on and on and on........ do remember that the effects can be BPM latched and can be set to come into effect with a set time signature.
u can also bend the dsp effect in relation to bpm to match the wow and flutter of ur tts . that way u can keep them playing synced .

now to the MIDI part of the mixer . the mixer allows u to send midi start / stop messages along with a BPM read out to aid u to sync ur tts or cd players to external sound modules etc..... now most ppl who try a midi sync with vinyl or cds face the problem of signals drifting due to wow and flutter of the medium... with the dj 2000 u dont have to be worried about that. u can push and pull ur midi signal to keep it in sync with the rest of the programme material. think of it as a pitch bend for MIDI its really rad

anyway thats the bit for now. tell me if i can help u in any way :)
 
FAN-FUGGIN-TASTIC!!!

TRICKY!!! You're the man! Thanks for all the info. It's always better to get information from someone who really loves the piece of gear being asked, rather then reading PDF files or talking to some dumb music store guy -- who really doesn't know much about DJ gear.

I like the fact that I can control the midi timing on all devices! That'll be great!!! :)

I also like the part about routing your headphone signal you your sampler, regardless of channel. Would something like this work on an ES-1 or an ER-1 for that matter?

Lastly you said "it has to be the phattest filter ever ! its so radical that I dont use the EQ's on the channels anymore" How so -- I don't really understand how you could NOT use the EQ's anymore? This is very curious, and I'm excited to hear why.

Oh and before I go, do you have any of your own music and DJ mixes up on the web -- using the DJ2000, of course? I would really like to hear it in action. I heard the ROLAND "GROOVE ZONE" one, but it left me a little dry.

Hey, thanks again Tricky for taking the time to skool me on the DJ2000. It's very very VERY much appreciated. :D Later,
 
Tricky is the man - I don't think I've ever "met" (over the internet, that is) a guy with such extensive knowledge of stuff - and he lives in India where a SL1200 costs as much as a brand new Volvo does in Sweden! I post a question about an Alesis Midiverb and Tricky steps in like Clint Eastwood "I've got ya covered, whaddaya wanna know kid?"
If there's anyone to talk to on this forum about equipment, the usage of it, and anything you could think of, go to Tricky - he'll sort you out.

Thanks for everything, Tricky!:)
 
Ephekt - ah yes the sampler out is a rca out much like other outputs so yes u can send it to es 1 and er 1 :)

ah yes the filter ... what i meant was this....... lets take a scenario where ur mixing house or trance and uve got a track cued up and ready to rock. u throw the track into the mix and then u find that ur highs are too high . then u proceed to cut the highs on one of the tracks but what u then do is make the mix sound artificial... now here is where the filters step in... all u do i select the channel ur bringing in. set the band to hight then adjust the cutoff freq and then turn on the filter. what this does is removes just the highs of the song and keeps the rest of the song intact. helps u maintain the body of the song. and what i do is just as im mixing out reverse the settings and flip the filter selector channel that way i get a filter sweep to birng about the transition :)

i havnt got any samples of what the dj 2000 can do but u gave me an idea. i will put up some samples asap. i have my exams and will be done end of this month. after that ill setup something for u :)

if u need anything else dont hestitate to ask :)
 
awwww :o u guys are the best :) u guys just made my day ! no make that my year .... no no my life :D
 
TRICKY, you rule!

Thanks for clearing up the FILTER and EQ question for me. I understand what you mean now. I've heard many times the example you gave. It's jarring to hear the next song mix in and it sounds totally weird because it's SOOO intensly different then the song your trying to drown out.

I hope that theory will come in handy with the production side of things -- which is what I mainly intend to use the DJ-2000 for. Hopefully, I'll have the balls to play a set with my music some day.

Thanks again. :cool: I'm ready to run out and pick one up right now... oh, wait make that next weekend, when I've saved up enough cash.

Later.
 
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