DJ shadow drums - curious question

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wonder if anybody can answer this.

on drums done by people such as shadow and rjd2 where they sound like a funk drummer, how many individual drum hit samples are they working with? is it a case of finding lots of hi hats for example or is it more in the velocity and pitch they are set at?
 
tbur23 said:
wonder if anybody can answer this.

on drums done by people such as shadow and rjd2 where they sound like a funk drummer, how many individual drum hit samples are they working with? is it a case of finding lots of hi hats for example or is it more in the velocity and pitch they are set at?
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Not sure but i'd imagine going through finding as many hats and drums as they need. Jdilla from what i read would take about numbers of snares, hats etc from a song and go to work

Or you can take 1-3 and mess with the velocity and the truncating both can get the job done
 
The drum sound you are talking about is not constructed of individual samples for the snare, hihat, kick, etc.

It is either complete loops from old records, or loops chopped up into segments and rearranged.

So it could vary from 1 sample to 4 or 5, depending on the original break and what it was the producer wanted to do.
 
yeah i am aware is a break but just wondered how many slices were involved. ta for the answer tho
 
it's all about the break an the manipulation of the break. get dusty 45 loops and start chopping.

check out the drums madlib uses. oh yeah sometimes it's the machine. mpc drums sound way different than sp12oo drums. i prefere the sp1200 drums or the eps 16 plus. but try sampling your drums in low fi. to get that dirty sound.

that's what i'm saying.check the drums on jesus walks . it's all about sample munipulation

but why dj shadow? he's not impressive. now The beatminerz are impressive with dirty drums
 
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tbur23 said:
yeah i am aware is a break but just wondered how many slices were involved. ta for the answer tho
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Easy way to do this: slice each individual beat of a break into one sample.

So if the original break was 2 bars, you get 8 beats, and therefore 8 samples.

Then you just have to trigger each sample at the beginning of each beat of your song in whatever order you choose to create a new beat.
 
yeah to say dj shadow is not impressive ... uh go back to school...
though some of this info on him looping is correct alot of what he does is chopped and programmed drumz too. i find i get excellent sound (dare somebody to challenge my mpc drum programing) from a layered set up with a few key peices. 1) of course ya got ya kick snare closed and open hat and cymbals but i add these...
2) flam and muted snares
3) sub and muted kicks
4) foot hats and alot of manipulation on the opens (i.e. decay)
also remember to allow a little sliding in your notes to give a live feel. and for god sakes man make sure the sounds match up well.
compression and filtering helps too.
rj is also know to chop his funked loops out to the max. i usually take like a 8 beat loop into 16 pads then a second 8 beat loop to another 16 and then layer and stack to my liking.

oh an you probably know but as for the mpc / sp 1200 thing... he used a mpc 60 for all his needs on the those older albums)
 
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i mean dj showdow is cool and all but there is a cat named Mr.dibbs And i think he's doper, anyway. But rjd2 is clearly liver than Dj.Shadow. El-p is dooper than Dj.shadow. but to say the least check Madlib. but we're both in agreement about drums and samples. i like mine dirty too
 
Dibbs, RJ, Shadow, MadLib, n El-P are all dope as hell. But they are also all pretty different from each other (with RJ and Shadow probably having most similarities). Also check Prefuse 73 of course!!!

But I've been wondering about this myself. Shadow's n RJ's drums are just so funked out and sound ridiculously layered. If you see any of Shadow's dvds or live one man shows he seems to loop a number of records and cds while layering over simple kick snare patterns on his MPC. He says that his shows usually emulate what he would actually do while making beats in his studio. RJ seems to do the same thing. with several turntables at his live one man shows. So I think, alot of what they do involves layering a number of breaks n loops over each other but keeping everything in time. Although alot of there stuff definitely sounds like it could be primarily programmed beats.

TO say Shadow is not impressive is just plain stupidity. His first album was a masterpiece and was made with just an MPC 60 a turntable and some records. The guy is a GOD to me. Although in all honesty the few tracks that I've heard so far from his upcoming album are not at all like the Shadow we all grew up with and are all pretty mediocre pop-sounding songs at best. Could this be due to the change in his gear set-up?
 
to repeat - DJ Shadow is the Jimmy Hendrix of the sampler
 
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co sign... if it weren't for shadow rjd2 would not be here... bottom line.
not to take away from all those cats, lord knows i love def jux but come on look at what shadow and dan the automator did to the beat making game...
 
dj shadow is cool and dope but i wanna see him do the out rageous. that's all i'm saying. no personal attack. rjd2 is the one to check for. pretty soon you can check for my record. and i did it with a sp3036 and acid4.0. serious. peace
 
^^^ Understood. 'Cept you gotta understand Shadow's already done the outrageous, it was called: "Endtroducing." At the time it came out, it blew everyone away because there really wasn't any other album that had come out at the time like "Endtroducing." Alot of people argue that Shadow pretty much created his own genre: Trip-Hop, with that album. It also held the Guiness World Record for the first completely sample-based music album ever. I dunno how much more outrageous you can get than that, especially for a debut album.

And I agree with the previous poster who said without Shadow, we wouldn't have an RJD2. Although, I think we would have an RJD2 he proably wouldn't have become the solo artist that he is today because he was doing stuff with Mhz since waaay back. He either would've stayed a behind the scenes producer taking the backseat to the MC's or he would've been the guy to put solo trip-hop type instrumental albums to the forefront.

He [RJD2] stated in an interview that around the early 90's when he first got his MPC 2000, he was blown away by all the options and things you could do with it. And he started puting together the more complex solo type of stuff waay back then also, its just the MC's he was working with didn't wanna rhyme on those beats because it didn't leave enough room for them to shine as lyricists.

But, unfortunately after hearing some tracks from THe Outsider, I was deeply disappointed. It sounded really aweful and nothing at all like ol' school shadow. It sounds like a pop album. Anyone know what he used to make his latest? I understand he's changed his set-up over time from the MPC 60 (which he should definitely return to using) to two MPC 3000's with Pro-Tools and NI Battery (with the 60 acting as a MIDI controller).
 
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dj shadow is cool and dope but i wanna see him do the out rageous. that's all i'm saying. no personal attack. rjd2 is the one to check for. pretty soon you can check for my record. and i did it with a sp3036 and acid4.0. serious. peace
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post up details in this thread as you get them, i, at least, would like to be informed.
 
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yeah and as far as shodow outrageous... check the live act with numark and cut chemist... pushin buttons... sick....
good look on the rjd2 info yeah that was exactly what i was tryin to state... i've seen both live and i gotta say at everyshow they both rock the house... yeah i haven't heard the rest of the new shadow but i do know he was going for the radio sound cuz he wanted the bay area to be back on top in that respect... take that for what it is (i always looked at the bay as a top original area not pop area) but yeah i hear it's all software and what not, he has said in interviews he wants to do another album that comes full circle so lets wait for that....
 
Shadow's music is kinda boring to be honest it was once decribed as elevator music and i would agree.

But cant front on mans heart, determination, and knowledge on the MPC and digging but **** dont bump.
 
lol... ok... everyman is entitled to his opinion...
just wouldn't repeat that in educated company lol... jk
 
Jpeg said:
Shadow's music is kinda boring to be honest it was once decribed as elevator music and i would agree.
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You must have the dopest elevators where your from, SICKNESS!!!
 
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